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post #211 of 258
So, our Big Bad of the season has spent his recent past all focused on winning over the love of his life, only to have her reject him. So  the Big Bad goes off and kills many people in a moment of teen angst. Why must evil men always have the emotional maturity of a stunted teenager? This episode could have been almost perfect if Claire'd stabbed T-Bag in the eye. What a waste.

On the other hand, we have good Sylar pin Claire down with his telekinesis ability and kiss her. Just for my own clarification, is this the difference between rape and sexual assault? Because while it isn't rape, forcing someone to kiss who doesn't want to can't exactly be considered a no harm, no foul offense. Lacking the correct legal term, I'll just go with, "Ewww."

Hiro... this is your life. You've committed crimes against the universe in using your time travel abilities to alter time. Or something like that. But no matter. Your mother will heal you, even though the image of your mother was supposedly all in your head and the result of a tumor-induced vision/hallucination. But maybe it wasn't. Maybe tit was purgatory. Meh. I'd rather Claire serve Hiro a bottle of wine, accidentally cut herself and have a drop of her blood drop into the wine before Hiro drinks it. It may not have been any more interesting, but at least it would have been quicker.

Claire learns life lessons from Sylar, and decides to let her inner Lesbo out. Nah, that can't be right. She dated flying guy. So she's bi. Unless the Lesbo thing is just the oft-discussed college experimentation. Too bad Heroes is rated PG. I can think of scenarios that would make me more forgiving of this particular storyline.

Mohinder, we barely knew ye.

Was Adam Monroe in two shows that aired at the same time? Didn't I see him on "24" tonight as well?

For a second I thought maybe we'd see Charlie again (especially given Glee's hiatus), but they reminded us she's trapped in time (if you've ever given any serious thought to what E=MC^2 actually means, I implore you not to try to figure out that trapped in time statement).

I didn't hate it, but sometimes, I wonder about the goals of the writers. When I watch TV, I'm often left with the impression it must be really difficult for writers to write for shows that must pull great numbers without writing a stupid show, but then I remember House. I think Heroes will go down in history as one of the shows I was most predisposed to liking, but which failed miserably in terms of reaching its potential. Still, I'm in until the last episode airs. I doubt there will be anything like it for quite some time -- if ever (in my lifetime).

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post #212 of 258
The girl playing claire is a horrible actress. When she was trying to be all tough and knowing and serious just made me roll my eyes, even the down blouse shot we got wasn't that great.

I think the worse thing about the whole jay and conan situation is that this show may not get cancelled.

I guess we have hope for next year being as good as the first season.

edit for clarification and spoiler of next weeks preview: 
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what i mean is its getting old that every time sylar shows up he has different motivation and different reasons to justify why hes being bad or trying to change. be it wanting to go good, wanting his powers taken away, or raising a family in the future. He's just a killer and should remain so instead of trying to shoe horn him in to the heroes every season. with the preview we had for next week it just seems like they are taking him down to peters level which makes no sense. they messed up peter, now lets mess up sylar.

Edited by Shane D - 1/19/10 at 10:02am
post #213 of 258
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how many times this make now that sylar has wanted his powers gone? 10th? 20th? every episode? 

 

Umm, never?  Kindly name two others.
post #214 of 258
edited my original post to hide what i was getting at since it was in the preview for next week which some people dont watch.
Edited by Shane D - 1/19/10 at 10:01am
post #215 of 258
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in my example, powers gone = changing who he is. be it trying to be good, trying to be his mothers son, anything that has pulled him away from just liking to inflict pain on others for the sake of inflicting pain and making himself stronger which is who he is.

That...doesn't make sense.  It's like saying "in my example, powers gone=Sylar changing what he eats for breakfast."
post #216 of 258
After nearly falling asleep through the last few episodes, I actually liked this episode.  I like the direction they are taking with Sylar, and it fits in perfectly with this seasons tagline of "Redemption".  If he seriously pursues this path of not wanting to be evil and being alone, then the grand meaning is that we have Hiro to thank for that, and it really puts a cap on Hiros character for being the true ultimate Hero.
post #217 of 258
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I'll be honest, I only tuned in because I thought tonight's episode was the season (series?) finale. Imagine my surprise when the promos told me there are two more episodes left to go.

I actually liked this episode better than last week's. Samuel was truly devious when it came to handling HRG. That Claire believed her father right away was a refreshing change of pace.
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post #219 of 258
I grew to enjoy Lydia's screen presence, she'll be missed.
post #220 of 258
EXTRA!  NEW YORK IMPERILED!  AGAIN!

Geez.  Can't somebody be mad at St. Louis for a change?  Maybe Hackensack?

Every time they pulled back from Bennett's memories into the house of mirrors, I expected to see Crow and Tom Servo.
post #221 of 258
I wonder how many viewers ever heard of "Doc Savage"?
It's a little out of date since it was literally "pulp fiction" from the 30's and 40's.
post #222 of 258
I think a new comic and movie is coming soon.  I don't know which, but I've heard something is being made with the character.
post #223 of 258
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At least now we finally know what the stakes are. I'm of a mixed opinion on the HRG flashbacks; on one hand, it seems cheap to shoehorn in a whole 'nother marriage this late in the game. On the other hand, this feels a lot more organic than the blonde love interest that was shoehorned into Hiro's flashback episode. It helps us understand him in a way that the diner flashbacks didn't.

 

Par for the course, it's the penultimate episode and everybody's left looking pretty screwed. I highly doubt, however, that duplicator guy that can't even trap an ordinary on his home turf is going to put up a struggle for arguably the two most powerful specials on the planet. How HRG and Claire escape should prove considerably more interesting. On one hand, the vessel Claire's buried alive in is a lot roomier and more comfortable than the vessel that Adam was buried alive in. On the other hand, Adam didn't have to watch his father suffocate to death and then be trapped with his body as it slowly rots away into putrid nothingness. Will Claire remain conscious the entire time, or will she pass out when the oxygen is depleted too? I don't think Adam was awake the whole time; I think he only came back once Hiro yanked him out of the buried grave.

post #224 of 258
Actually i have little knowledge about this show. I watch supernatural . After this post i read about it in internet, specially form NBC official website. I have a problem with the  timing of the show. Even though i will try to manage time for it.
post #225 of 258
Wasn't there some green growing out of the dirt the Bennetts were trapped in?  Maybe Plant Man will end up saving them.  You're definitely thinking too hard about it because there's no way it'll get to the point where Noah is a skeleton.  It'll probably be some anticlimatic nonsense.

Next week's the end (for this season, at least)?  I wonder if that Irish girl will come back with Charlie.
post #226 of 258
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You're definitely thinking too hard about it because there's no way it'll get to the point where Noah is a skeleton.  It'll probably be some anticlimatic nonsense.


Of course it'll be some anticlimactic nonsense. I was having a little fun with what would happen if this show still occupied some semblance of reality.
 

Next week's the end (for this season, at least)?  I wonder if that Irish girl will come back with Charlie.

The Irish girl is chilling in the same place as Molly, Matt and Mohinder's adopted daughter that neither even remembers any more.
post #227 of 258
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Of course it'll be some anticlimactic nonsense. I was having a little fun with what would happen if this show still occupied some semblance of reality.


I know.  I said it with a smile, though it doesn't come across in type.  That and the multiple man on the stairs were some lame cliffhangers.
post #228 of 258
So tonight is it right?  Possibly for the entire show?
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So tonight is it right?  Possibly for the entire show?
 


Yeah, tonight's the season finale. I'm betting that the show will be back next year (maybe with less episodes to cut costs) since NBC has an entire hour to fill every weeknight now that Leno is back to The Tonight Show.
post #230 of 258
I really hope that was the end, I can't be sucked in for a 5th season, can I?
post #231 of 258
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If so, it was a great ending to another rocky season. Not even a great episode, per se, but a great ending. I loved the way they bookended things with "My name is Claire Bennet. This is attempt #..."

The problem with continuing the series is that the characters have accumulated too much garbage for a smooth fifth season, even with a great set of writers. There's too much soap operatic backstory. If there's a fifth season, they'd almost be better dumping everybody and starting fresh with a new cast of characters living in the aftermath of Claire's decision. Of course they half-tried that with season two and it didn't really work out so well for them.
post #232 of 258
It's no secret that I'm a fan of the show, mostly because I like cheesy super hero comics (yes, even/especially the current Marvel era under Quesada) and am willing to pretty much forgive any and all transgressions made by this show.  I found tonight's episode to be a good cap on the season, but obviously no way for the show to go out.  Clearly, it wasn't structured to be a finale anyway, so it's not like the show missed the boat there or anything.

That all being said, they need to form a super group, be given some one/two-dimensional villains to fight, and get to it.  I think the show has given the origins/normal lives theme its due, and it's time to move on.

In my opinion, the next season, should it air, should start 6 months in the future (clearing the way for the inevitable black and white flashback episode), with a bunch of the heroes fighting a villain--bank robbery or something maybe.  Cue the old school Spiderman cliches of the public being torn between loving and hating the "supers," and those same supers having to live normal lives, too.  Normal is fine--we just don't need to have another season of 90/10 split between normal and ass-kicking.

Bring on the masks (perhaps not literally).
post #233 of 258
The biggest problem I had with the execution of tonight's episode, is that everything depended on Emma's ability to lure in all the people.  And since she wasn't a willing participant, wouldn't that mean that Doyle would have to have known how to play the Cello so well?  Oops, little lapse of logic there...

Also I thought it was funny how Samuel went to great lengths all season to grow his "Family" so large, and Claire even mentioned how Joseph wanted to keep the family small, and then at the beginning of the episode when it pans out for the Central Park reveal, there's what, about 15-20 specials around him .  Really?  That's the best you could do Samuel?  Same thing when Hiro teleported everyone away.  Joseph's carnival family must have had about 4 people in it.....
post #234 of 258
Spot-on casting for Charlie.  That was a good great resolution to that storyline. 

In spite of the "to be continued," that would be a suitable series ending.  They ought to cancel the show and greenlight a DP7 adaptation.
post #235 of 258
that wasn't as bad a cliffhanger as i thought it would be. it could end there and it wouldn't be the end of the world. unlike some other cliffhangers.
post #236 of 258
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The biggest problem I had with the execution of tonight's episode, is that everything depended on Emma's ability to lure in all the people.  And since she wasn't a willing participant, wouldn't that mean that Doyle would have to have known how to play the Cello so well?  Oops, little lapse of logic there...
 

Doyle can activate a special's powers againt their will.  Hinted at previously on the show, demonstrated for sure in the graphic novel.
post #237 of 258
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Spot-on casting for Charlie.  That was a good great resolution to that storyline.   

I agree.  K Callan was perfect as an 80-something Charlie.  I loved the irony that Hiro ended up giving Charlie a full life, but it just wasn't a life with him.

I also like that each special's power played an important part in the resolution of the storyline, from Tracy rescuing Claire and HRG, to Peter holding Samuel to a standstill, to Sylar dealing with Doyle, to Hiro removing the family from Central Park.  It all fit together in a way it just hadn't before. 

For me, this was most satisfying season the show has had in a long time.  Samuel was a serious, but not outrageously apocalyptic, threat.  Characterization was more consistent.  And they finally dealt with the problem of the show's breakout character, Sylar, by finding a plausible way of turning him into a good guy.

The ending I'm not so sure of.  It could just return the show to the mess that was Season 3. 
post #238 of 258
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I also like that each special's power played an important part in the resolution of the storyline, from Tracy rescuing Claire and HRG, to Peter holding Samuel to a standstill, to Sylar dealing with Doyle, to Hiro removing the family from Central Park.  It all fit together in a way it just hadn't before. 
 

I liked how Peter used his brother's power (it's assumed he absorbed flight from Sylar off-screen) to flying tackle Samuel.  Peter literally drew strength from his brother, while Samuel was literally weakened by his brother.  I think my favourite aspect of the show is the ways it plays up the duality of human nature through Peter.
post #239 of 258
You know this show could be good if they cut down on the number of characters, and lowered the episode count.

Theres just too much padding.
post #240 of 258
Ahh, got it.  Thanks for that information.

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Doyle can activate a special's powers againt their will.  Hinted at previously on the show, demonstrated for sure in the graphic novel.
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