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post #151 of 258
11/10/09 at 11:52am
Like Greg said, I think the show plays better when you can watch them back to back. That way, you don't have a week to think about a slow episode and you don't have all the voices of the internet in your ear pointing out problems (real or imagined) that you might not have noticed or cared about.

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...I was disappointed to find out that I'm more of a Veronica Mars fan than a Kristen Bell fan. 
 


Just a footnote but she passed on the Charlotte role on Lost to play Elle on Heroes. I've enjoyed Bell in what I've seen her but in the end, I'm glad that Rebecca Mader ended up playing Charlotte.
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post #152 of 258
11/10/09 at 12:25pm


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Just a footnote but she passed on the Charlotte role on Lost to play Elle on Heroes. I've enjoyed Bell in what I've seen her but in the end, I'm glad that Rebecca Mader ended up playing Charlotte.

Huh, I hadn't heard that, thanks!  I'm also glad, as Rebecca Mader was great in the role, while I find Bell to be nice to look at, but ultimately a mediocre actor.

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post #153 of 258
11/10/09 at 1:48pm
I wouldn't trade Charlottes either, but it seems like a weird move for Bell.  I guess that was when the press was crowing about Lost losing ratings and quickly becoming irrelevant, while Heroes was in the afterglow of the end run of season one episodes.  By the time those stories came out, it was the press that looked irrelevant because Lost quickly returned to form and then some (and I would say it never lost creative steam, whatever the ratings).

Bell lost out to Allison Mack for the Chloe Sullivan role on Smallville and I'm glad for that.  I'm glad to be aware of Mack, and it paved the way for Bell as VM.
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post #154 of 258
11/10/09 at 4:16pm
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I wouldn't trade Charlottes either, but it seems like a weird move for Bell.  I guess that was when the press was crowing about Lost losing ratings and quickly becoming irrelevant, while Heroes was in the afterglow of the end run of season one episodes.  By the time those stories came out, it was the press that looked irrelevant because Lost quickly returned to form and then some (and I would say it never lost creative steam, whatever the ratings).

 


While I imagine that's part of it, I know she said in interviews that she was already friends with a number of people on Heroes and that helped to influence her decision. Plus, taking Heroes means that she didn't have to move out to Hawaii (not a fate worse than death but you still have to uproot your life) for potentially three years.
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post #155 of 258
11/10/09 at 4:17pm
Greg,
Yea I ran through the first 3 seasons in about a week and 1/2. Again, I think less episodes would make for better storytelling, but for the most part have enjoyed the series.
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post #156 of 258
11/10/09 at 7:37pm


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Ultimately, Maya was only kept around so the audience could stare at her breasts

 




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I wasn't fond of the twins

 


Wait, what?
 
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post #157 of 258
11/10/09 at 9:00pm
Back to garbage after a decent episode.  Sylar was always my favorite character each season but this whole thing with him in Parkman's mind is really bad.  Sylar has officially run his course and it's time to let him go.
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post #158 of 258
11/10/09 at 9:53pm
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Im not sure why theres so much dislike for season2. They introduces us to alot of characters - many who shouldnt have been killed off, and I was pretty interested in what was going on.


It was way too slow. Season one started slowly but quckly picked up steam. Until they met up with Sylar, Maya and Alejandro's storyline consisted of: Maya gets emotional, her eyes turn black, and she kills some people. If Alejandro's around, he'll stop things in time. Repeat, repeat, repeat. Peter's storyline with the Irish was poorly executed, and since they were all ultimately killed off or trapped in an alternate timeline, completely inconsequential. After giving us a really cool character in D.L., he's killed off offscreen and Micah and Niki are back to doing jacksquat. When Niki fades from the scene, Micah's left in New Orleans with a cousin who could be interersting if she were at all integrated with the rest of the show. Adam was interesting, but they spent too much time with him and Hiro in feudal Japan. The plotlines didn't ultimately come together neatly, and after episodes full of excruciatingly incremental storytelling, the end game came across as rushed. It's probably the most ambitous of the four seasons, but it's also the least successful (in my opinion). There was a lot of interesting stuff in there, but it just wasn't executed well.
 

Take away Sylar, and Im finding S4 to be pretty dull. The Carnival appeal has begun to wear off because they havent done anything with it.


I can understand that argument, but I actually find the carnival the most interesting part. For the first time since the first season, we have a focal point around which everything else revolves: in S1 it was the nuclear event over Manhattan. In this season, it is Samuel Sullivan's mysterious carnival. We know he is trying to build his ranks for some reason. We know he has made some serious mistakes in the recent past, which have left Mohinder and his brother dead. We know that the mysterious compasses play a crucial role. That's enough to keep me engaged.

Sylar remains the best written character on the show, but his storyline still feels like cleanup from season three for me: The showrunners came up with this novel ending of turning Sylar into Nathan, and now they have to play it out.

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post #159 of 258
11/13/09 at 7:55am
Mohinder dead ?  They wouldn't have flown the actor in to simply have him act lying dead in a caravan. surely.  All we know for sure is he appears to be unconcious and will soon be up and running and - we hope - brought to justice for the treatment of those people left dead or alive in his fly's web at the start of season three. 
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post #160 of 258
11/13/09 at 9:09pm
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Mohinder dead ?  They wouldn't have flown the actor in to simply have him act lying dead in a caravan. surely.  All we know for sure is he appears to be unconcious and will soon be up and running and - we hope - brought to justice for the treatment of those people left dead or alive in his fly's web at the start of season three. 

Oh, he was definitely dead. That's why we haven't seen him in the show up to this point in the season. That's why Samuel needed Hiro. When time travel's involved, the dead don't have to stay dead for long.
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post #161 of 258
11/16/09 at 9:59pm
"College sounded better on paper."  Could be a comment from the show's producers.  This episode was as good as the episode two weeks ago and felt like a first season episode.  Ditch the stuff from the interleaving episodes and this show could be back on track.
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post #162 of 258
11/17/09 at 5:48am
I also enjoyed the episode. So Peter now has every ability Sylar has. Again.

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post #163 of 258
11/17/09 at 12:13pm
I've quite liked the last two episodes.  Now we know what Samuel is up to, and why he has to be stopped.  All the regulars are acting with a certain level of intelligence they haven't exhibited recently.  This feels more like S1 than the show has felt in a long time. 
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post #164 of 258
11/17/09 at 1:23pm


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All the regulars are acting with a certain level of intelligence they haven't exhibited recently.

Except for now Peter can't heal any more, which means that until they find another way out of it, Hiro is a goner.  ... Though with past history as a guide, I find it impossible to believe he'll die.
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post #165 of 258
11/17/09 at 1:40pm
Did I miss something after Peter healed Parkman last night?
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post #166 of 258
11/17/09 at 1:49pm

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Did I miss something after Peter healed Parkman last night?

 

You may have missed when Peter got powers transferred to him from Nathan/Syler.  I assume that when Peter got the power of flight, he got all of Syler's powers as well but lost the healing power.
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post #167 of 258
11/17/09 at 2:11pm
I caught all of that, but why would have Peter lost the healing power?  Another thing I missed when I threw in the towel on S3?
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post #168 of 258
11/17/09 at 2:38pm
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I caught all of that, but why would have Peter lost the healing power?  Another thing I missed when I threw in the towel on S3?


He can only 'hold' one power at a time now. So he lost the healing ability when he got Nathan's flying ability. Maybe I missed something but I don't think Peter has all of Sylar's powers. If Peter can only have one power at a time, I would think that he still should only be able to take whatever power Sylar is currently using.
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post #169 of 258
11/17/09 at 4:29pm


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He can only 'hold' one power at a time now. So he lost the healing ability when he got Nathan's flying ability. Maybe I missed something but I don't think Peter has all of Sylar's powers. If Peter can only have one power at a time, I would think that he still should only be able to take whatever power Sylar is currently using.

I think it might be even more than that (I agree he most likely only has flight at the moment), and at the moment Peter copied the power, the personality was Nathan, not Sylar.  That he was able to copy Nathan's ability means that for the moment, the "Nathan" inhabiting the Sylar body is a dominant force.

How long until Sylar takes over for good (since it isn't really Nathan's essence from his dead body, just some Parkman mindfuckery) remains to be seen, and is likely what will be part of the remaining arc of the volume.
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post #170 of 258
11/17/09 at 10:11pm
First, I'm opening up the possibility of redefining Peter's power as he can only absorb powers from one person at a time. But when he does, he can do everything that person can do. So if he absorbs Sylar, he can do everything Sylar can do. Peter didn't get Nathan's flying power because Sylar is channeling Nathan. As we've seen, Sylar has other abilities even if he doesn't remember them. They showed it right in the episode by having him toss Peter using telekenesis even though he doesn't understand having that power. There is no Nathan, there is only Sylar. Sylar just looks like Nathan and has Nathan's memories while Sylar's memories were blocked. But it's still Sylar. And he still has all his powers. And Peter absorbed them.

I'm not worried about them having a way to heal Hiro. In fact, the fact that there is now more ambiguity about how Hiro will be saved is something I see as a good thing storywise. Peter was never going to hold onto that healing power forever, though that was the whole purpose of the visit to the kid in the first place (to get a healing power to heal Hiro).

This is like those games (I forget the name) where there is like a 4x4 grid (I forget the size as well) and one pice is missing, and you mix it up, then try to put all the pieces back in order by moving one piece at a time into the open space. Fun stuff.
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post #171 of 258
11/18/09 at 11:53am


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First, I'm opening up the possibility of redefining Peter's power as he can only absorb powers from one person at a time. But when he does, he can do everything that person can do. So if he absorbs Sylar, he can do everything Sylar can do. Peter didn't get Nathan's flying power because Sylar is channeling Nathan. As we've seen, Sylar has other abilities even if he doesn't remember them. They showed it right in the episode by having him toss Peter using telekenesis even though he doesn't understand having that power. There is no Nathan, there is only Sylar. Sylar just looks like Nathan and has Nathan's memories while Sylar's memories were blocked. But it's still Sylar. And he still has all his powers. And Peter absorbed them.

 

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it makes sense, or that I even agree with what I wrote.  Rather, I'm just saying what is a possible explanation in the show, given its history of changing how Peter's power works, seemingly at the whim of the writers :)

I can just see it now, someone asking Peter why, if he touched Sylar and absorbed his ability/abilities, he can only fly, not anything else, and Peter responding "well at the time, I could only 'feel' Nathan in there, so maybe that's all I got?"

At this point, I'm still a big Heroes fan (I truly do look forward to it each week), but I've stopped trying to apply continuity to the show, like I would with LOST or BSG or Fringe.
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post #172 of 258
11/18/09 at 5:07pm
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First, I'm opening up the possibility of redefining Peter's power as he can only absorb powers from one person at a time. But when he does, he can do everything that person can do.
When has that been conclusively shown? Peter's God-given power was empathy; he understood people, which in turn allowed him to understand their powers. In this way, he banked powers. Then his father stripped that power away, and the library of powers he'd accumulated with it. He was later injected with Suresh's synthetic power serum, which granted him a similar but distinct power. We've assumed that it's a weaker form of his empathy power, but Monday's episode raised some interesting possibilities.

This episode introduced the idea that all of the heroes give off an energy that interacts constructively with the energy given off by others. What if Peter's newer power works by copying the "flavor" of the last hero he "read"? If that's the case, he would have read Sylar went Sylar was in fly mode, so the flying "flavor" is what he copied. If he'd walked in when Sylar was picking through somone's brain and "read" him, than he would probably have Sylar's broader power (but not necessarily the library of powers that Sylar had accumulated.)
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post #173 of 258
11/22/09 at 8:40pm
So far I am liking this season more than the others and to me it feels more like season one which is a darn good thing for sure. After season one, I gave up on it for the most part and just watched them on DVD after or on repeats when they aired. Now, the show has even gone back to showing clips from season one with alternate events occurred during that time. So far it works for me and I have enjoyed it more.

Also, I think that Claire and her roommate may be a good fit for a possible relationship, if not romantic since they can relate to each other so well. If they do it right like they did on Buffy where Williow and Tera ended up together, it would make sense and be a proper rather than cheap way of doing it. They don't have to go that way, but if they did then the Buffy model for doing that is the one to go with for sure.
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post #174 of 258
11/23/09 at 7:15am
peter doesn't have sylars powers. hes already touched sylar before, when he got his morph ability last season and he morphed into the president to inject sylar and knock him out. He only took one power then because i believe the talk was something like 'did you get the power you needed' and peter replied yeah, to me implying he could only take 1. So this time he wanted flight and he took it.
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post #175 of 258
11/30/09 at 8:24pm
I was wondering about a nullification loop when Peter copied Renee's power.

Farewell to our favorite senator, wonder how that'll pan out.
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post #176 of 258
12/1/09 at 12:50pm
It panned out that despite the essense of Nathan wanting to rid the world of Sylar before he no longer could, all that was eliminated was the essence of Nathan. I'd assume he lost Nathan's flying power as well, or is there some other reason he didn't fly back up there and eliminate Peter once and for all? And did Peter erase the Sylar personality or not?

I felt Peter was acting pretty intelligently in this episode, but then some irritations popped up once Nathan emerged again. "I can't hold on any longer." ... "Sure you can... here's a hug." ... yeah, that irritates me. What if Sylar does emerge again? You're sitting there hugging Sylar. Smart hero, that.

Siphoning the Haitian's power. And here I thought the Haitian would have nullified Peter's absorption ability before he could do so. But now I think there's a little bit of reconning going on. I don't remember the Haitian having to concentrate to nullify people (only to erase memories). Seems to me, only proximity was required. He's even done it unintentionally and accidentally before. Oh well.

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post #177 of 258
12/1/09 at 1:50pm


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Siphoning the Haitian's power. And here I thought the Haitian would have nullified Peter's absorption ability before he could do so. But now I think there's a little bit of reconning going on. I don't remember the Haitian having to concentrate to nullify people (only to erase memories). Seems to me, only proximity was required. He's even done it unintentionally and accidentally before. Oh well.
 

His ability is fleshed out a bit more in the digial comics, but we have seen glimpses of it in the show, too.  We saw early on when Nathan flew away to avoid being caught--this was an instance of Rene being caught offguard and not concetrating enough to surpress Nathan's ability.  In the comics, as the power was manifesting, Rene had no control over it (the nulification was always on "full blast"), and this resulted in the death of this father.  Later, her learned to control it, and can raise and lower the power, or leave it on guard mode, where it's on except for those he selects to be excluded (this was how he worked it at the paper warehouse, out with Noah, et cetera).

Best line of the night: "I Haitian'd myself?"

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post #178 of 258
12/1/09 at 5:10pm
 While I enjoyed the farewell speech from Nathan to Peter.  I just have to wonder why these people keep leaving Sylar alive when they have a chance to kill him?  Yes, I know he is very popular and they don't want him off the show.  But, seriously.  You keep letting this guy live when you have him down!  

Also, they have to figure a way for Peter's powers to grow (ie-keep more powers).  Or he will never be able to take down Sylar.  Who I feel is getting too powerful.  On a similar note.  I think the writers probably planned on getting rid of Sylar back at the end of season 1.  But, he became so popular (as well as Quinto).  That they couldn't get rid of him.

Finally.  Could another Hero be killed off?
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So, in last night's episode of Heroes, one of the original cast members was killed off. In slow motion! Fans might think that there's a chance he could come back because characters come back on this show all the time, but producer Tim Kring says that this is final. 

And now it looks like it might not be the only permanent death on the show.

Sendhil Ramamurthy has been cast in the new NBC comedy Rex Is Not Your Lawyer, which will also star Jane Curtin and David Tennent. And it's a regular role too, so he probably won't have much time to spend as Mohinder on Heroes (assuming that show comes back for another season, that is).
I know, I know, there are tons of fans out there that didn't want Mohinder to come back this season, but I actually like his character. Well, since he stopped being a bug. That was kind of annoying, but I like the scenes we've had with him so far this season, and he was the narrator on the show and its "voice" so it would be good to keep him around. 


Edited by todd s - 12/1/09 at 5:21pm
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post #179 of 258
12/1/09 at 10:14pm
I really like Sylar but I don't know what they should do about him, he can take over the world.  Looks like the writers are stuck with him(he is the best character imo).  They probably should kill him off though because when it's just the Carnies as the bad guys(the leader anyway) the show is just so much better.

Claire is still a stupid kid, you would think by now she would listen to her dad, or just use her head once in awhile.
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post #180 of 258
12/6/09 at 9:20am


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Claire is still a stupid kid, you would think by now she would listen to her dad, or just use her head once in awhile.

Didn't you get the memo?  Claire is the new Kim!
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