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post #61 of 84

Re: Lord of the Rings Trilogy Blu Ray set for release November 3rd

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Originally Posted by Chuck Mayer
Jim, if there is a huge difference between them...then this absolutely cannot be a double dip, per your definition: "For clarification a double-dip is simply when the same title is released for sale a second time on the same video format."


I don't know how you incorrectly deduced this but the CORRECT answer is right there in the quote you chose.


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Originally Posted by Chuck Mayer
If there is an appreciable difference between the TE and the EE, then they are categorically not the same film,


YOUR definition, NOT mine.

I don't care how large or miniscule a difference there is between alternate cuts of the SAME MOVIE. No caveat can make an alternate cut of the SAME MOVIE into a "categorically" separate title.

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Originally Posted by Chuck Mayer
and separate releases make sense, both for business purposes and artistically.


First of all..........Anything that increases profit/decreases costs can be interpreted as "making sense for business purposes". Be it something as consumer-benign as increasing production, opening new retail avenues, using new-transparent technologies to reduce costs, etc. To something more detrimental to consumers such as raising SRP's, holding something back on a release to set-up for a future double dip, Expensive Box-O-Junk exclusives, using old HD masters to cut costs, or whatever.

You could basically excuse just about every release with a poor transfer as it making sense for "business purposes". It's a weak counter-argument that keeps cropping up too frequently around here and also a nonsensical argument on a hobbyist messageboard.

As for the justification of separate commercial for-profit releases of alternate cuts of the same movie for something as trivial as "artistic" purposes... Um.....well........ that just seems absurd.

So essentially you're saying that an optimal release pattern "artistically" would be separate releases for each of the multiple cuts of Aliens, T2, Blade Runner, Close Encounters, Brazil, The Abyss, Star Wars, etc, etc, ad nauseum?

Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

Release patterns like such have no appeal to me whatsoever as a hobbyist/consumer.

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post #62 of 84

Re: Lord of the Rings Trilogy Blu Ray set for release November 3rd

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Originally Posted by Scott Merryfield
Casablanca is one of my favorite films, but I still have not purchased it on BD. I do not desire the current package being offered by Warner, and decided to simply rent it from BB and wait until Warner offers a product I want. The same will be the case with Wizard of Oz, Gone With The Wind, and LOTR. My life will go on, undamaged by the experience.


And if the sales of the films you mentioned are so low that it negatively affects any re-releases.........then what?
post #63 of 84

Re: Lord of the Rings Trilogy Blu Ray set for release November 3rd

I'll buy this set when it comes out, and I'll buy the EE set when it comes out, and each time I'll sell off my respective DVDs. I don't see what the big deal is.
post #64 of 84

Re: Lord of the Rings Trilogy Blu Ray set for release November 3rd

I'm very happy these are finally coming, but the EE's are so much improved over the theatrical that I'll wait. No need to spend $70 now and then $70 later after waiting this long.

I'll rent the theatricals until the EE's are here.
post #65 of 84

Re: Lord of the Rings Trilogy Blu Ray set for release November 3rd

Having both versions on BR would be preferred, but I simply don't have the time to get through 4 hour movies, so the TEs are the ones I would likely be viewing.
post #66 of 84

Re: Lord of the Rings Trilogy Blu Ray set for release November 3rd

I read over at DVD Reviews, DVD News, DVD Players, Blu-ray Disc Information and more from DVDfile.com that the theatre version of LOTR on bluray will indeed have DTS HD 7.1

Jacob
post #67 of 84

Re: Lord of the Rings Trilogy Blu Ray set for release November 3rd

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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
And if the sales of the films you mentioned are so low that it negatively affects any re-releases.........then what?

Then I will simply hang onto and watch the SD-DVD's of these films that I already own.
post #68 of 84

Re: Lord of the Rings Trilogy Blu Ray set for release November 3rd

There's no way in hell this set will have low sales. The small fraction of Blu-ray owners that won't buy the set due to not having the EEs will not make much difference to the sales numbers. Indeed, this is the type of release that will get DVD only owners to buy a Blu-ray player this Christmas.
post #69 of 84

Re: Lord of the Rings Trilogy Blu Ray set for release November 3rd

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Originally Posted by Radioman970
I should have said that I loved all the extra scenes but some of it ruined certain things about the film. The flow is off and the film overall is a little too long.

The scene with Ripley learning about her own daughter help the film a bit with her relationship with Newt. Although I think we learn enough info about that without the scene. Still, I kind of liked that.

The scene with Newt's family visiting the derelict is great. But it takes us to this strange alien planet before the Ripley and company get there and that cuts down the tension later on. I didn't like it for that reason. In the TC we arrive at the same time and everything is a mystery. Sure, we can all guess what happens, but still the tension is so much greater and all the later scenes work better in my eyes.

And I agree. I like some parts of the extended Aliens, and the pre-Marines LV-426 scene is cool - in theory. As part of the movie, it bites. The story works much better when it stays with Ripley's POV. This weird leap to meet Newt's family is a distraction and it spoils the later tension...
post #70 of 84

Re: Lord of the Rings Trilogy Blu Ray set for release November 3rd

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Originally Posted by Dan Keliikoa
A compelling argument can absolutely be made for either version, I agree. They both work. For me, the DC showing the colony in full swing before it's overrun makes it that much more eerie when the Marines show up. But like you said, it ALSO work in the TC to have them just show up and try to figure it all out.
I guess I'm like that too...they both work for me. I will always watch extended since there is no choice on DVD. Given choice...I'd be original version about 95% of the time.

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
And I agree. I like some parts of the extended Aliens, and the pre-Marines LV-426 scene is cool - in theory. As part of the movie, it bites. The story works much better when it stays with Ripley's POV. This weird leap to meet Newt's family is a distraction and it spoils the later tension...
Well said! Ripley's POV is where the movie should stay. We don't even meet Newt until Ripley does and she's fleeing from her. Great stuff!
post #71 of 84
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Originally Posted by TheBat View Post

I read over at DVD Reviews, DVD News, DVD Players, Blu-ray Disc Information and more from DVDfile.com that the theatre version of LOTR on bluray will indeed have DTS HD 7.1

Jacob

Good news. So now I have a deadline for finally buying a new receiver and upgrading to lossless audio.

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post #72 of 84
its worth the upgrade. I got an onkyo 605 receiver back in 2007.

Jacob
post #73 of 84
Liked the theatrical versions but prefer the EE. I can wait.
post #74 of 84
Rumor today posted  from Blu-ray.com: "Rumor: Lord of the Rings Blu-ray Pushed to 2010" www.blu-ray.com/news/

Hope it's not true.
So little to be excited about what is being released these days.
Been eagerly looking forward to this set.

Paul
post #75 of 84
Worth the wait if the delay is technical in nature.  I'd much rather wait a few mores for superior A/V quality and supplements than to have them rush the release.  On the other hand the article seems to also speculate that the delay may be caused by recent legal argreements.  That would be disappointing.
post #76 of 84
 Bill Hunt is confirming the delay of this set into early (March) 2010. His speculation as to the reason:

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There's no official reason for the delay, because again the title hasn't even officially been announced. But the sense we're getting is that the studio already has a number of big 3rd and 4th quarter titles coming on Blu-ray this year - think Wizard of OzGone with the WindNorth by Northwest, etc - and they didn't want Rings to get lost in the crowd.
post #77 of 84
It makes sense. LOTR will sell any time of the year. Why eat into possible sales of other catalog titles?
post #78 of 84
I'm such a battered spouse, I'll be getting these as soon as they drop, even though I'll almost certainly sell them right off again, once the EEs hit the marketplace.

But I can't imagine these will sell as well as the studio's hoping for. Anyone's who's into this format will already know more content's coming. Blu-Ray hasn't penetrated the market enough for WB/New Line to be able to fool anyone who presently owns a BD player.


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Originally Posted by Jeff Ulmer View Post

Having both versions on BR would be preferred, but I simply don't have the time to get through 4 hour movies, so the TEs are the ones I would likely be viewing.

You have the time to sit through the 3.5-hour theatrical version of The Return of the King, but not the 4-hour extended edition? (I keed, I keed. )
post #79 of 84
Speaking as someone who waited for over three years for the corrected versions of Back to the Future 2 & 3 to appear in stores without effort, I can wait a little longer for the EE of these to come to BD.

The theatrical cuts just don't cut it compared with the EE's and I'll never watch those again.
post #80 of 84
Video Business just announced that the release date for the trilogy is April 6.
post #81 of 84
Yahoo has a trailer up for the HD versions of these. Kinda odd they'd release a trailer now when the films are 3+ months away from streeting.

In the meantime I've been buying up the United Cutlery Swords of these films. Four down, another auction closing tomorrow.
post #82 of 84
I maintain that the theatrical versions are ultimately better films than the EE's; though there is tons of stuff in the EE's that I love, there's also a bit that just feels wrong.  I watch them about equally.

So my hesitation with these isn't that they're the theatricals, I without a doubt need to own those, it's that with Blu Ray technology I assume the eventual EE release will include the theatricals as well.

Who am I kidding, I'm going to buy these.  I'm the king of movie repurchasing anyway (I have bought four different editions of Blade Runner, ferchrissakes).
post #83 of 84
Yes, the theatrical versions will be coming out on Blu-ray April 6th of 2010.





Crawdaddy
post #84 of 84
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Originally Posted by John Alderson View Post
So my hesitation with these isn't that they're the theatricals, I without a doubt need to own those, it's that with Blu Ray technology I assume the eventual EE release will include the theatricals as well.

We can be fairly sure that won't happen (unless the EE release is many many years from now, which we can also be fairly sure won't happen) ,simply because that would cost them sales of this existing set.
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