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post #151 of 212
8/23/09 at 12:44pm


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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

I think the bottom line is that the FX artists probably wanted the arrows to be seen throughout the whole shot. All of them. The fact that they and the spear wink in and out is a mistake.

Of course it is a mistake. I want to know if it something noticable while watching it in motion.
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post #152 of 212
8/23/09 at 12:46pm


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I think i will tell you in about 2 weeks when I see it for myself. :)

Somehow I predict you'll be well satisfied with the Blu Ray.
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post #153 of 212
8/23/09 at 3:48pm
OK, I checked Robert's caps and the caps at the other site. Unfortunately, the BD image of the flaming arrows is now missing. I did notice the spear or tree in the left of the "Germania" shot that was missing part of itself. Looks like the missing rain in Bernstein's office from Citizen Kane all over again.

And the EE halos are much more egregious in those shots than in the Beaver caps. Sigh...

---EDIT---

The flaming arrows shot from the BD is now visible. Wait-what flaming arrows?

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post #154 of 212
8/23/09 at 3:57pm
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5223/gladdd.png       

  oof
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post #155 of 212
8/23/09 at 4:05pm
I think these are the most damning shots. The detail is just gone, smeared away.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1090/1th.png

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3623/1exb.png
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post #156 of 212
8/23/09 at 5:38pm
Interesting. I think the second capture looks very detailed compared to the first. Maybe this is a good example of show screencaps can be misleading.


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Originally Posted by StevenW View Post

I think these are the most damning shots. The detail is just gone, smeared away.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1090/1th.png

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3623/1exb.png


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post #157 of 212
8/23/09 at 6:55pm
 Those are 2 different angles. How can you tell whats different!
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post #158 of 212
8/23/09 at 6:59pm
Stop the madness.  You can not judge a motion picture by screen captures.

- Steve
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post #159 of 212
8/23/09 at 7:54pm
I've got 20/30 vision, and I bet I'll see these halos on my TV:


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post #160 of 212
8/23/09 at 8:00pm


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Originally Posted by Steve Tannehill View Post

Stop the madness.  You can not judge a motion picture by screen captures.

- Steve

I refer you to post #131.  The actual disc has been seen, and the report is that the halos are every bit as bad (if not worse) in motion as they are in the screen captures.
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post #161 of 212
8/23/09 at 9:25pm
Agreed. EE doesn't disappear in motion. Remember Dark City? And the ridiculous halos around the cops hats? Well, I bought the disc, cued up that scene and sure enough it looked just as terrible in motion as it does in a still....


http://www.imagebam.com/image/677e839644876
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post #162 of 212
8/24/09 at 3:04am


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Originally Posted by Steve Tannehill View Post

Stop the madness.  You can not judge a motion picture by screen captures.

- Steve

Nonsense. Some properties of transfers can be very well judged with direct digital stills from the disc. Properties such as strong EE and DNR are evident on stills as they are in motion. Claiming otherwise only shows ignorance in the subject matter and lack of practical experience in these matters (if not worse (e.g. a hidden agenda)).

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post #163 of 212
8/24/09 at 3:09am


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Originally Posted by Jeff Robertson View Post

Interesting. I think the second capture looks very detailed compared to the first. Maybe this is a good example of show screencaps can be misleading.

 


 

No, this is a good example of how stills show what's going on. One frame is totally waxed by DNR processing and the other was not processed like this. The other is from the additional added footage they left alone. If they only had left alone the whole transfer. If these two stills don't bring home the point I don't know what will.
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post #164 of 212
8/24/09 at 5:25am


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Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post

 Reviews for Gladiator and Braveheart are up at DVDBeaver. They look like fantastic releases. I'm so glad they used seamless branching on Gladiator for the theatrical and extended versions. I can't wait to obtain my copies. Great movies and it looks like they were given the proper treatment. Thank you Paramount!!




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Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post

 I guess I'm in the minority but I look at a release as an entire product, not just judging a release by screencaps. To me, there's the visual, yes but there is also audio and bonus features package. And to me as a complete product, this looks to deliver. Gladiator's DTS track on DVD was the goods so I know a lossless track on Blu is going to blow me away and Gary reiterated that in his review. Disc 2's bonus features look incredible and mirror previous releases which is saying something since some studios *cough* Fox *cough* stupidly decide to drop bonus features off their catalog releases. Yes, visually, if there is EE, that is a mark against it but I'll make that judgment call once I see it in motion. Personally, I think screencaps are overrated. Everybody got their panties in a wad when the The Dark Knight's screencaps were posted and the thing looked gorgeous when I saw it on screen. 

wow, I totally stand corrected after looking at those new screencaps over at avs. I was "ok" with the beaver's ones but after seeing that shot where most of the flaming arrows had been scrubbed away, I am not ok with it any more. I can't believe I'm going to pass on a Gladiator Blu-ray but for now, I will, unless a region free import is made available that  is done correctly.
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post #165 of 212
8/24/09 at 6:00am
 I was looking forward to this!  Well, maybe I'll rent it once just to get my Gladiator fix, but I am not buying it now.  I hope Forrest Gump and Braveheart don't suffer the same fate.  As much as they are charging for the "Saphire" editions, why didn't they just do it right?
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post #166 of 212
8/24/09 at 6:35am

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Posted by Shad R: I hope Forrest Gump and Braveheart don't suffer the same fate.


The stills look great for Braveheart, with no visible EE and the picture does not look scrubbed, so you should be able to buy that one with confidence. It's just perplexing that they felt compelled to mess up Gladiator this bad while doing such a great job on Braveheart. Braveheart is a definite buy for me now. Gladiator is now consigned to being a rental with option to buy when the price goes down. I'm certainly not paying the "Sapphire" price for Gladiator.
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post #167 of 212
8/24/09 at 7:10am


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wow, I totally stand corrected after looking at those new screencaps over at avs. I was "ok" with the beaver's ones but after seeing that shot where most of the flaming arrows had been scrubbed away, I am not ok with it any more. I can't believe I'm going to pass on a Gladiator Blu-ray but for now, I will, unless a region free import is made available that  is done correctly.

Seeing is believing, Jason.  :)  I'm glad you're not denying what your eyes tell you, as some seem to be doing.
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post #168 of 212
8/24/09 at 9:04am

Well, that explains it. The OP didn't say they were from different sources.


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No, this is a good example of how stills show what's going on. One frame is totally waxed by DNR processing and the other was not processed like this. The other is from the additional added footage they left alone. If they only had left alone the whole transfer. If these two stills don't bring home the point I don't know what will.



Edited by Jeff Robertson - 8/24/09 at 9:14am
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post #169 of 212
8/24/09 at 10:35am


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It's just perplexing that they felt compelled to mess up Gladiator this bad while doing such a great job on Braveheart. Braveheart is a definite buy for me now.
I'm not even sure they did anything for this particular release.  To me, and not just me, it looks like they rehashed a completely outdated HD transfer that was used for the original DVD in 2000 - riddled with then "fashionable" DNR and EE - for the theatrical version on the Blu-ray, whereas they used the much better 2005 HD transfer - made for the extended edition DVD - for just the scenes of the extended version on the Blu-ray.  Et voila, Sapphire Series care and commitment for ya.

Edited by Godbluffer - 8/24/09 at 11:14am
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post #170 of 212
8/24/09 at 10:44am


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Originally Posted by Godbluffer View Post



I'm not even sure they did anything for this particular release.  To me, and not just me, it looks like they rehashed a completely outdated HD transfer that was used for the original DVD in 2000 - riddled with then "fashionable" DNR and EE - for the theatrical version on the Blu-ray, whereas they used the much better 2005 HD transfer - made for the extended edition DVD - for just the scenes of the extended version on the Blu-ray.  Et voila, Sappire Series care and commitment for ya.
 
This is pretty much what has happened in my opinion as well. It's all about the quality of the transfer they had to work with.

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post #171 of 212
8/24/09 at 10:46am


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Originally Posted by RDarrylR View Post



This is pretty much what has happened in my opinion as well. It's all about the quality of the transfer they had to work with.
 
Indeed, and this would also explain why the Braveheart Blu-ray looks so good, because a brand new HD transfer was made of it for the 2007 DVD reissue.  I don't think I have to spell out what this might bode for Forrest Gump on Blu-ray, 'cause I sure don't remember any special edition DVD of that one being released recently...

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post #172 of 212
8/24/09 at 10:49am
The only saving thing on some of these would be if they are releasing a new DVD version at the same time. If that's the case they may make a new master.

Personally I wouldn't be looking at picking up FG anyway but the problem is a general one potentially affecting all releases.
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post #173 of 212
8/24/09 at 10:54am
Hm... we might just get lucky then.
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post #174 of 212
8/24/09 at 11:07am
I suspect Forrest Gump will not sell very well (compared to Braveheart and Gladiator and other similar action based catalog titles) on Blu-ray so I doubt they'll put huge amounts of effort or new money into its release.
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post #175 of 212
8/24/09 at 11:13am
Forrest Gump might just be more popular than you think.  I sure hope so in this case!
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post #176 of 212
8/24/09 at 11:15am
I'd love to see any catalog title selling well so they can release so many more. We'll have to wait and see though.


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post #177 of 212
8/24/09 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by Michel_Hafner View Post

The original master of Gladiator is not the problem. It looks pretty good. 
 

If you've seen the "original master" of Gladiator, it would be helpful to learn more about it, since the emerging consensus seems to be heading in the opposite direction:


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Originally Posted by Godbluffer View Post



I'm not even sure they did anything for this particular release.  To me, and not just me, it looks like they rehashed a completely outdated HD transfer that was used for the original DVD in 2000 - riddled with then "fashionable" DNR and EE - for the theatrical version on the Blu-ray, whereas they used the much better 2005 HD transfer - made for the extended edition DVD - for just the scenes of the extended version on the Blu-ray.  Et voila, Sapphire Series care and commitment for ya.
 

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post #178 of 212
8/24/09 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by RDarrylR View Post

I suspect Forrest Gump will not sell very well (compared to Braveheart and Gladiator and other similar action based catalog titles) on Blu-ray so I doubt they'll put huge amounts of effort or new money into its release.

Oh yeah, Forrest Gump was a HUGE flop when it came out. I remember some representative from Paramount saying it lost money. 
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post #179 of 212
8/24/09 at 1:23pm
Well what I was saying is that it isn't the type of movie that is likely to sell near as well on Blu-ray as Braveheart and Gladiator, or other action/sci-fi movies. We'll see how it goes though when it comes out.
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post #180 of 212
8/24/09 at 1:27pm


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Originally Posted by RDarrylR View Post

Well what I was saying is that it isn't the type of movie that is likely to sell near as well on Blu-ray as Braveheart and Gladiator, or other action/sci-fi movies. We'll see how it goes though when it comes out.

Darryl:  You still haven't explained why you think these two films will outperform Gump. 

Because they are "action" movies, they will outsell a "drama?"    I'm not understanding that either.

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