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Craig was 37 when he was cast as Bond. Connery last played Bond at age 53; Roger Moore was 45 when cast, and played until age 57.
Dalton was 41 when he was cast, and Brosnan was 42 (and played Bond until he was almost 50 years old). Lazenby was the youngest, at age 30.
Daniel Craig is positively on the young end of the age-spectrum for Bond actors -- not counting Lazenby, the second-youngest in the franchise's history, in fact.

The book Bond is early thirties. It is time for a younger Bond. Connery and Lazenby were the right age at 31 and 30, respectively, when they were cast, but a mid-twenties Bond is not inconsistent with Fleming if the writing is mature instead of amateurish. Craig looked ten years older than his actual age when he was cast. He's a good actor and I like his work in other films.

Remember, Casino Royale was conceived to depict an early twenties Bond, and they wrote him that way, but they couldn't find an actor, so they gave the part to a 37-year-old after all. So you had the incongruity of a 37-year-old who looks even older playing a maladjusted, egotistical, psychotic 20-something.
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As for respecting the source material...if you tried adapting one of Fleming's novels as exactly as written, as fully-straight-up period-thing (with anachronisms intact), it'd get laughed right off the screen in this day and age. Some changes to the content have to be addressed, if they expect the Bond franchise to continue, and in a real world where even teenagers are generally far more tech-savvy than their adult counterparts, I don't really see a younger Q as a major incongruity with the times.

Nobody advocated a literal verbatim transfer of Fleming into a film. I didn't suggest any such thing, and I have responded to that misrepresentation in this thread and elsewhere. It is possible to be faithful to author Fleming while making highly original films. I can name three: Dr. No, From Russia With Love and On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and elements in other Bond films right up to Licence to Kill (1989).

As a rule, Daniel Craig's fans overlook the incongruities, reject all standards, and never run out off making of excuses for him.

On another matter, I find the references to "naked day-care" in your Location and "nude unicorn man" in your Signature inappropriate and perhaps even prurient. Are you sure that's the impression you want to create about yourself?
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Originally Posted by joshEH View Post

Craig was 37 when he was cast as Bond. Connery last played Bond at age 53; Roger Moore was 45 when cast, and played until age 57.
Dalton was 41 when he was cast, and Brosnan was 42 (and played Bond until he was almost 50 years old). Lazenby was the youngest, at age 30.
Daniel Craig is positively on the young end of the age-spectrum for Bond actors -- not counting Lazenby, the second-youngest in the franchise's history, in fact.

The book Bond is early thirties. It is time for a younger Bond. Connery and Lazenby were the right age at 31 and 30, respectively, when they were cast, but a mid-twenties Bond is not inconsistent with Fleming if the writing is mature instead of amateurish. Craig looked ten years older than his actual age when he was cast. He's a good actor and I like his work in other films.

Remember, Casino Royale was conceived to depict an early twenties Bond, and they wrote him that way, but they couldn't find an actor, so they gave the part to a 37-year-old after all. So you had the incongruity of a 37-year-old who looks even older playing a maladjusted, egotistical, psychotic 20-something.
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Originally Posted by joshEH View Post

As for respecting the source material...if you tried adapting one of Fleming's novels as exactly as written, as fully-straight-up period-thing (with anachronisms intact), it'd get laughed right off the screen in this day and age. Some changes to the content have to be addressed, if they expect the Bond franchise to continue, and in a real world where even teenagers are generally far more tech-savvy than their adult counterparts, I don't really see a younger Q as a major incongruity with the times.

Nobody advocated a literal verbatim transfer of Fleming into a film. I didn't suggest any such thing, and I have responded to that misrepresentation in this thread and elsewhere. It is possible to be faithful to author Fleming while making highly original films. I can name three: Dr. No, From Russia With Love and On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and elements in other Bond films right up to Licence to Kill (1989).

As a rule, Daniel Craig's fans overlook the incongruities, reject all standards, and never run out off making of excuses for him.

On another matter, I find the references to "naked day-care" in your Location and "nude unicorn man" in your Signature inappropriate and perhaps even prurient. Are you sure that's the impression you want to create about yourself?

Regarding his age, doesn't sound like they have been paying much attention to the age of bond in any of the movies. To me it doesn't matter. If it matters to you, no need to see the film then.

I like DC better then any of the previous guys with the exception of Sean C. But that is a personnel opinion and well we all know how that saying goes.

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Edited by Rhett_Y - 1/4/12 at 11:59am
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One of the failings of almost every Bond movie since Goldeneye is to try to give Bond some personal stake in the story. 

Fair point. I have an old album of Bond songs and one of them is called "Bond's Lament." Point being that I don't think we expect Bond to be one-dimensional or a "blunt instrument" as M calls him; but I don't want to see his personal issues as a major factor in the film's plot either.
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Teaser trailer is out:
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Are they trying to get all the good movies in before the world ends? This coming year will be freaking insane.

Once again, I bow before Deakins. It looks really stunning. I'm officially excited. It's beautiful.

It feels odd to say that about a Bond film, albeit in a most delightful way. I've loved everything I've read and seen so far regarding this entry. That teaser only amplifies those feelings tenfold.
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Note the director of Stop or my Mom Will Shoot.
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Originally Posted by Aaron Silverman View Post

Note the director of Stop or my Mom Will Shoot.

And......
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Are they trying to get all the good movies in before the world ends? This coming year will be freaking insane.
That's funny. I think we're all thinking the same thing.
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And......

I just thought it was funny because he's probably best known for directing a Bond film.
post #220 of 228
As much as I enjoy Craig's great performances, I'm wary of this film being able to really capture the Bond magic. Then again, I think they haven't mangaged that since '69. Casino Royale was great, but a very unusual Bond veichle.
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I'm not sexist (and no offense to Judi Dench, a fine actress) but they should make the character of M an old dude again. That'll bring a bit of "lore" back to these films and make them feel "Bond"-y again. Just my opinion.
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I'm not sexist (and no offense to Judi Dench, a fine actress) but they should make the character of M an old dude again. That'll bring a bit of "lore" back to these films and make them feel "Bond"-y again. Just my opinion.

I agree, just for a change. Plus, if anything, Dench seems too friendly to be Bond's boss.
post #223 of 228
I think this would be a good time to retire the character in Skyfall, and reintroduce Miles Messervy in "Bond 24." Or they could do it in the same manner they did with Q in The World is Not Enough. I'd like to see Craig briefed by that pipe-smoking prude.

I've said this before, but I want a grizzled badass who could've BEEN Bond 30 years ago.

Perhaps he's played one too many genre-mentors at this stage, but I always kinda liked the idea of Liam Neeson as the new "M." Definitely could've been a 00 in his earlier years. Old enough to school Bond; young enough to still age with the series over several films. Terence Stamp is also a wonderful idea, but at age 73, I feel like his run as "M" would be all too short.

Someone like Liam can still bring the action chops, although EON'd be unable to resist putting him in the field with Craig for some goofy team-up sequence. I want a dude too old to get out from behind the desk, but with a gleam in his eye that says he's been down Bond's road. And I only need this "M" to last as long as Craig's run. Stamp a decade ago would have been great.

I fully support retiring Dench like Q -- going down a secret elevator, looking confused and scared.
post #224 of 228
Tom Wilkinson would make a great "M".
post #225 of 228
My vote would be for Bea Arthur, were she still alive smiley_wink.gif
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Originally Posted by John Weller View Post

My vote would be for Bea Arthur, were she still alive smiley_wink.gif

I love that idea. How about giving Julie Andrews a chance?
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Originally Posted by KPmusmag View Post

I love that idea. How about giving Julie Andrews a chance?

My joke was that I've always seen Bea Arthur as rather masculine lol
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Originally Posted by John Weller View Post

My joke was that I've always seen Bea Arthur as rather masculine lol

I was thinking of Julie in her Victor/Victoria tuxedo. She looked great in it, even if she did choke on the cigar. smile.gif

I can just hear Bea saying, "God will get you for that, James!"
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