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post #91 of 161
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The only thing that bugged me in a WTF way was that just two episodes ago he was denied his badge. The only explanation given was that the Captain went to bat for him. Whatever. I can't wait for the finale though.
This last season has spanned a much broader span of time than a usual season. For instance, six months passed between "Happy Birthday, Mr. Monk" and "Mr. Monk Is the Best Man" four episodes later. USA Network has also been airing the episodes out of order; I think "Mr. Monk Goes Camping" was originally supposed to air earlier in the season.

The original script for this episode also had three months passing between the scenes of Monk utterly failing at desk duty and the scene with Monk and his partner investigating the cat. That would have extended his return as a detective dramatically.
post #92 of 161
I was sort of hoping for more from Shaloub's wife's third appearance (that I remember offhand) but other than that I agree that it was a good episode.

I had the same thought about this being very close to the last appeal, but figured it was an issue with the episode ordering myself.  Either way, wasn't too big a deal.
post #93 of 161
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One last thought from me on the episode: Was I the only one expecting him to find a clue to Trudy's murder hidden in his old desk?
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I liked the episode, but found his temporary reinstatement to be a bit anticlimactic.  I'm also beginning to feel like there should be 6-10 more episodes, and not the finale at this point.  BTW, was that Melora Hardin I saw in the finale?  She's been in several episodes to this point, so it makes sense to me.

post #95 of 161
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What an episode. I'm surprised they were so obvious about who Trudy's killer is so early in the episode, but otherwise it was a really great hour of television. Natalie's dating the navy man more seriously, Julie's going off to college, and Randy appears to be moving to New York:
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I think he's going to live with Sharona.
The captain finally got his happily ever after two episodes ago. In other words, all of the characters' storylines are wrapping up in the way you'd expect from a series finale. And then there's Monk. They appear to be taking the dark Sherlock Holmes, Hercule Poirot route, by ending his story with his death. How cruelly ironic that the surprise he'd been saving from Trudy all of these years was actually her insurance policy so that he would be able to solve her murder. Since the parking garage was demolished, I figured the key clue had to be in Trudy's gift. It didn't rob the last minutes of any of their power.

Loved getting a glimpse into Monk and Stottlemeyer's partnership before the breakdown. Loved that the way they used a single case to bookend the series arc. Loved how they took advantage of the unique opportunity a series finale provides to really up the stakes: in a normal episode, we know they aren't going to let the titular character die. At the very end of the series, though, all bets are off. I'm conflicted; on one hand, killing off Monk wouldn't be the horribly depressing ending it'd be on most shows because he would finally be reunited with his Trudy. On the other hand, I think it would be even more poignant if he could build a real life for himself and finally really move forward. I'd also like the occasional Monk TV movie, much like we got countless Columbo TV movies with Peter Falk since the series ended in '89.

 

I'm going to really miss this show, the one that helped jump start quality cable programming and still the jewel in USA's crown.

post #96 of 161
Adam you give them way too much credit. There's not even the remote possibility that Monk would be killed off. But I dont' think that would be appropriate for the character/show anyhow.

You make a good point about Monk being the pride of USA's originals. I wonder what they have planned to fill such a large void.

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I doubt very much that Monk will be killed off.  When it was discovered that he was poisoned, I figured it was only a matter of time before he was cured.

I am looking forward to part two very much.  But I still think this storyline ought to have occurred over (at a minimum) four episodes, instead of two.  I don't think it will end up doing the storyline justice.  We'll see.

As far as Monk being the pride of USA originals, I can think of at least one show I'd rather watch than Monk (although I do love Monk) that to me is the pride of USA originals. But Monk is certainly right up there near the top of the list.
post #98 of 161
The new thing that's moving into Monk's timeslot is that "White Collar" show.  I've seen a few eps, but not convinced with it yet.  Plays too much like Psych or Castle (for me).
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I doubt very much that Monk will be killed off.  When it was discovered that he was poisoned, I figured it was only a matter of time before he was cured.

I suspect that Monk will live as well, but I'm not certain.  As Adam rightly points out, this is a show where the death of the main character could be considered a happy ending and I can't rule out USA going there. 

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I am looking forward to part two very much.  But I still think this storyline ought to have occurred over (at a minimum) four episodes, instead of two.

I think that would have padded things out.  The climax of any story runs more quickly than the build-up.  The Fugitive ended with a "mere" two parter.  The last act of any play or movie youve ever seen is shorter than the ones leading up to it.  Even the punchline of a joke is just that - a line, soemtimes just one word, not a series of lines.  That's just the nature of storytelling.  I don't think watching Monk pick up one breadcrumb at a time over three or four episodes (and an extra couple of cliff-hangers) would have added materially to the pay-off the last episode will give us.   

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As far as Monk being the pride of USA originals, I can think of at least one show I'd rather watch than Monk (although I do love Monk) that to me is the pride of USA originals. But Monk is certainly right up there near the top of the list.


OK, I'll bite, what show are you talking about?  (And why be so coy about naming it?) 

Regards,

Joe
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The new thing that's moving into Monk's timeslot is that "White Collar" show.  I've seen a few eps, but not convinced with it yet.  Plays too much like Psych or Castle (for me).

I think White Collar is OK.  Of course, I like Psych and Castle, so any resemblance is a good thing.  But it is certainly no Monk

Regards,

Joe

post #101 of 161
White Collar finishing the rest of its season out at 9pm doesn't constitute "replacing Monk," though. It doesn't matter when Monk comes on, it would always be USA's centerpiece.

For all their other shows, as good as they may be, none of them have the mass appeal of Monk. That's the real void the show will leave.
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I think that would have padded things out.  The climax of any story runs more quickly than the build-up.  The Fugitive ended with a "mere" two parter.  The last act of any play or movie youve ever seen is shorter than the ones leading up to it.  Even the punchline of a joke is just that - a line, soemtimes just one word, not a series of lines.  That's just the nature of storytelling.  I don't think watching Monk pick up one breadcrumb at a time over three or four episodes (and an extra couple of cliff-hangers) would have added materially to the pay-off the last episode will give us.   

OK, I'll bite, what show are you talking about?  (And why be so coy about naming it?) 

Regards,

Joe
 

I disagree.  I think four (or more) episodes would have done the story justice, not two.  But for my own part, I think this has to do with the general weakness of the last four or five episodes.  I have been disappointed with Monk over the past month, and thought that a well-planned, four or five-story arc would have rewarded viewers more substantially than what has occurred recently.

As for your question, I was not being coy.  I didn't want to name it.  I thought that was quite clear.
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Yes a very good episode.
Now isn't it about time to start getting into his wife's murder.
I'm just concerned they will just use only 2 or 3 episodes to wrap that all up.

I was hoping this would be more of a season long section of the show.




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I disagree.  I think four (or more) episodes would have done the story justice, not two.  But for my own part, I think this has to do with the general weakness of the last four or five episodes.  I have been disappointed with Monk over the past month, and thought that a well-planned, four or five-story arc would have rewarded viewers more substantially than what has occurred recently.

As for your question, I was not being coy.  I didn't want to name it.  I thought that was quite clear.

I mentioned that back in Oct on the 10th so I agree with Scott, I would have liked a few more eps.
Also why the secret on what you think is the pride of USA original programing?
I guess it's not a big deal but mentioning it and deciding not to say, seems a bit odd to me.

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I mentioned that back in Oct on the 10th so I agree with Scott, I would have liked a few more eps.
Also why the secret on what you think is the pride of USA original programing?
I guess it's not a big deal but mentioning it and deciding not to say, seems a bit odd to me.

 

Tony,

Yes, I remember that you mentioned this.  I almost wish -- and I know this can't happen now -- that a half season or so had been devoted to the unsolved murder.  That IMO had the potential of being spectacular.  I feel the way it has been handled thus far (including part one) has been somewhat of a cheat.  But I still enjoy the show quite a lot, obviously. :)
post #105 of 161
Me too, and as it it stands now the actual solving of the murder will really be only one single episode.
The just aired show seemed to mostly be running around trying to figure out what the poison was.
post #106 of 161
Tony,

You don't suppose that they're doing this to surprise us with another season, do you?  Wouldn't that be amazing.  They conclude next week's episode with "To be continued...".  Wow.  How I wish! :)
post #107 of 161
Scott, whatever you're smoking, please share.
post #108 of 161
^^^

Well, there's nothing wrong with hoping.  But I understand it's not going to happen.
post #109 of 161

So, what are peoples' thoughts on who Trudy's killer might be?  I think it's the Judge.  I think he had Trudy killed, and that he had the pharmacist killed.  (He may have had others killed as well -- maybe dating back several years, but I really don't know where all of the pieces of the puzzle fit as yet.)  I think that since he has aspirations to become a Senator, he has found himself in a spot whereby he needs to 'clean things up' a bit before he settles into his political campaign.  I obviously don't know the particulars, but perhaps Trudy knew he was corrupt, and this may be revealed on the recording.  As far as the pharmacist is concerned, it may be that he was going through paperwork and found something on the Judge as well.  It's quite intriguing to me that Monk was at that particular crime scene when he first received the call regarding Trudy.

BTW, my oldest son said he believes Monk has been poisoned by using his wipes.  I think that could be -- a very smart move by the person(s) who wants Adrian killed.

 

post #110 of 161
I think it was pretty clear who was on the phone talking to the guy who poisoned monk.
Unless that was a deliberate red herring, but that would be a cheat.

Good point on the wipes, did they already say that everything on the sales reciept was tested?

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I think it was pretty clear who was on the phone talking to the guy who poisoned monk.
Unless that was a deliberate red herring, but that would be a cheat.

Good point on the wipes, did they already say that everything on the sales reciept was tested?

 

Tony,

Yes, I think they did say this (about the receipt).  And I suppose Monk would not leave his own wipes in his cart (for a possible exchange).  Doesn't he carry them on his person -- or previously, on Sharona's and Natalie's person?  I also have to believe he would notice any change to them.  Hmmm.
post #112 of 161
Monk wasn't there when Nat was with her boyfriend buying for monk when that guy took her cart he must have tampered or replaced an item.
Wipes are sealed and are mostly impossible to reseal to look like new.
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Monk wasn't there when Nat was with her boyfriend buying for monk when that guy took her cart he must have tampered or replaced an item.
Wipes are sealed and are mostly impossible to reseal to look like new.
 

Good points.

"Wipes are sealed and are mostly impossible to reseal to look like new."

LOL.  Which means that it is virtually impossible to fool Monk in this case (with wipes, that is).

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Monk wasn't there when Nat was with her boyfriend buying for monk when that guy took her cart he must have tampered or replaced an item.
Wipes are sealed and are mostly impossible to reseal to look like new.
 


Something could have been injected with a hypodermic syringe.
post #115 of 161
Another nice touch that I liked is that they brought back the Navy doctor as Natalie's boyfriend.  I remember a passing reference to it an episode or two ago, but it's nice to see them have him back for the grocery scene.
post #116 of 161
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So, what are peoples' thoughts on who Trudy's killer might be?  I think it's the Judge.  I think he had Trudy killed, and that he had the pharmacist killed.  (He may have had others killed as well -- maybe dating back several years, but I really don't know where all of the pieces of the puzzle fit as yet.)

I was trying to be circumspect with my first post, but as long as we're speculating: it was quite clearly Craig T. Nelson's sillouette and Craig T. Nelson's voice on the phone. Couple that with the phone call scene coming directly after they go to him for a warrant, and it's pretty obvious that Craig T. Nelson is the killer. It's interesting that in the promos for the episode they distorted the judge's voice, but in the show itself they didn't bother. I would have preferred it if they had. As Tony said, it will be a really cheat if it turns out not to be Craig T. Nelson that made the call. I am open to the idea that the Judge is simply an intermediary to whomever really made the decision. I do like that the Judge was not some mobster-esque nickname but a job title.
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I think that since he has aspirations to become a Senator, he has found himself in a spot whereby he needs to 'clean things up' a bit before he settles into his political campaign.
Did they say senator? If I recall correctly, the governor had appointed him to the state supreme court. I think the disappearance of the midwife, the death of the pharmacist and Trudy's murder all all tied into the conspiracy that has been in the background this entire series.


As for "Monk" being the crown jewel, I wasn't speaking solely on quality (although I happen to believe that "Monk" is still the best show on USA) but also in creating the mold that virtually every show on the network today follows. It's the longest running show on the network, and Monk was probably the impetus for the "Characters Welcome" branding. The formula: quirky but brilliant protagonist, episodic plots and an overarching mythology that is touched on just often enough to keep the show from being strictly a procedural.

post #117 of 161
Question:  How many original series does USA have?

The ones I can think of are:

Monk
Psych
Burn Notice
Royal Pains
White Collar

Are there others?
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Did they say senator? If I recall correctly, the governor had appointed him to the state supreme court. I think the disappearance of the midwife, the death of the pharmacist and Trudy's murder all all tied into the conspiracy that has been in the background this entire series.
 

Adam,

Yes, I believe you're right about it being an appointment to the state supreme court.  My error.

I don't know Craig T. Nelson all that well, so I wouldn't have caught that reference.  I accept that you know these characters better than I (which you surely do).

I guess Dale the Whale isn't going to be making an appearance after all.

I missed the opening clip to the episode on Friday night (we tuned in at around 9:04 p.m. as we were watching a film that went a tad long).  Was Ed Begley, Jr. the man that was killed?  I remember him being quite young in an episode of Room 222, and of course as Mr. Starling in VOY.  If this was his character, I found it a bit odd that he, as a major guest star, would be gone so soon.  Maybe they plan to use him in pt. 2 via flashbacks?

Incidentally, there is quite the Monk marathon on today.  We've caught a couple of episodes thus far.  I'm really hoping to tape Mr. Monk and the End (pt. 1) sometime prior to next Friday and watch it before next week's finale.

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Question:  How many original series does USA have?

The ones I can think of are:

Monk
Psych
Burn Notice
Royal Pains
White Collar

Are there others?
 

I'm not sure.  Were CounterstrikeRenegade, Silk Stalkings, and La Femme Nikita USA originals?  I thought some of them were, but I may be wrong about this.
post #120 of 161

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Good point on the wipes, did they already say that everything on the sales reciept was tested?

Yes, they did.  And yet it is clearly the case that the shopping cart was the killer's only chance to poison Monk.  Maybe he used a binary poison, something in two parts that only becomes toxic when the two are combined.  Either half by itself could have escaped a tox screen. 

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I'm not sure.  Were CounterstrikeRenegade, Silk Stalkings, and La Femme Nikita USA originals?  I thought some of them were, but I may be wrong about this.

I'm not sure, either, but I don't think any of those count as far as being USA's "jewel in the crown" as all of them have been off the air for years and years. 

Yes, Ed Begley was the pharamicist and he was featured in the teaser.  (And will doubtless appear in flashbacks in the finale.)  And I am really the only one who remembers him from St. Elsewhere and Arrested Development

Regards,

Joe
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