The original script for this episode also had three months passing between the scenes of Monk utterly failing at desk duty and the scene with Monk and his partner investigating the cat. That would have extended his return as a detective dramatically.
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I had the same thought about this being very close to the last appeal, but figured it was an issue with the episode ordering myself. Either way, wasn't too big a deal.
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I liked the episode, but found his temporary reinstatement to be a bit anticlimactic. I'm also beginning to feel like there should be 6-10 more episodes, and not the finale at this point. BTW, was that Melora Hardin I saw in the finale? She's been in several episodes to this point, so it makes sense to me.
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Loved getting a glimpse into Monk and Stottlemeyer's partnership before the breakdown. Loved that the way they used a single case to bookend the series arc. Loved how they took advantage of the unique opportunity a series finale provides to really up the stakes: in a normal episode, we know they aren't going to let the titular character die. At the very end of the series, though, all bets are off. I'm conflicted; on one hand, killing off Monk wouldn't be the horribly depressing ending it'd be on most shows because he would finally be reunited with his Trudy. On the other hand, I think it would be even more poignant if he could build a real life for himself and finally really move forward. I'd also like the occasional Monk TV movie, much like we got countless Columbo TV movies with Peter Falk since the series ended in '89.
I'm going to really miss this show, the one that helped jump start quality cable programming and still the jewel in USA's crown.
You make a good point about Monk being the pride of USA's originals. I wonder what they have planned to fill such a large void.
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I am looking forward to part two very much. But I still think this storyline ought to have occurred over (at a minimum) four episodes, instead of two. I don't think it will end up doing the storyline justice. We'll see.
As far as Monk being the pride of USA originals, I can think of at least one show I'd rather watch than Monk (although I do love Monk) that to me is the pride of USA originals. But Monk is certainly right up there near the top of the list.
I suspect that Monk will live as well, but I'm not certain. As Adam rightly points out, this is a show where the death of the main character could be considered a happy ending and I can't rule out USA going there.
I think that would have padded things out. The climax of any story runs more quickly than the build-up. The Fugitive ended with a "mere" two parter. The last act of any play or movie youve ever seen is shorter than the ones leading up to it. Even the punchline of a joke is just that - a line, soemtimes just one word, not a series of lines. That's just the nature of storytelling. I don't think watching Monk pick up one breadcrumb at a time over three or four episodes (and an extra couple of cliff-hangers) would have added materially to the pay-off the last episode will give us.
OK, I'll bite, what show are you talking about? (And why be so coy about naming it?)
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I think White Collar is OK. Of course, I like Psych and Castle, so any resemblance is a good thing. But it is certainly no Monk.
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For all their other shows, as good as they may be, none of them have the mass appeal of Monk. That's the real void the show will leave.
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I think that would have padded things out. The climax of any story runs more quickly than the build-up. The Fugitive ended with a "mere" two parter. The last act of any play or movie youve ever seen is shorter than the ones leading up to it. Even the punchline of a joke is just that - a line, soemtimes just one word, not a series of lines. That's just the nature of storytelling. I don't think watching Monk pick up one breadcrumb at a time over three or four episodes (and an extra couple of cliff-hangers) would have added materially to the pay-off the last episode will give us.
OK, I'll bite, what show are you talking about? (And why be so coy about naming it?)
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I disagree. I think four (or more) episodes would have done the story justice, not two. But for my own part, I think this has to do with the general weakness of the last four or five episodes. I have been disappointed with Monk over the past month, and thought that a well-planned, four or five-story arc would have rewarded viewers more substantially than what has occurred recently.
As for your question, I was not being coy. I didn't want to name it. I thought that was quite clear.
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I disagree. I think four (or more) episodes would have done the story justice, not two. But for my own part, I think this has to do with the general weakness of the last four or five episodes. I have been disappointed with Monk over the past month, and thought that a well-planned, four or five-story arc would have rewarded viewers more substantially than what has occurred recently.
As for your question, I was not being coy. I didn't want to name it. I thought that was quite clear.
I mentioned that back in Oct on the 10th so I agree with Scott, I would have liked a few more eps.
Also why the secret on what you think is the pride of USA original programing?
I guess it's not a big deal but mentioning it and deciding not to say, seems a bit odd to me.
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Yes, I remember that you mentioned this. I almost wish -- and I know this can't happen now -- that a half season or so had been devoted to the unsolved murder. That IMO had the potential of being spectacular. I feel the way it has been handled thus far (including part one) has been somewhat of a cheat. But I still enjoy the show quite a lot, obviously. :)
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The just aired show seemed to mostly be running around trying to figure out what the poison was.
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You don't suppose that they're doing this to surprise us with another season, do you? Wouldn't that be amazing. They conclude next week's episode with "To be continued...". Wow. How I wish! :)
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Well, there's nothing wrong with hoping. But I understand it's not going to happen.
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So, what are peoples' thoughts on who Trudy's killer might be? I think it's the Judge. I think he had Trudy killed, and that he had the pharmacist killed. (He may have had others killed as well -- maybe dating back several years, but I really don't know where all of the pieces of the puzzle fit as yet.) I think that since he has aspirations to become a Senator, he has found himself in a spot whereby he needs to 'clean things up' a bit before he settles into his political campaign. I obviously don't know the particulars, but perhaps Trudy knew he was corrupt, and this may be revealed on the recording. As far as the pharmacist is concerned, it may be that he was going through paperwork and found something on the Judge as well. It's quite intriguing to me that Monk was at that particular crime scene when he first received the call regarding Trudy.
BTW, my oldest son said he believes Monk has been poisoned by using his wipes. I think that could be -- a very smart move by the person(s) who wants Adrian killed.
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Unless that was a deliberate red herring, but that would be a cheat.
Good point on the wipes, did they already say that everything on the sales reciept was tested?
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Yes, I think they did say this (about the receipt). And I suppose Monk would not leave his own wipes in his cart (for a possible exchange). Doesn't he carry them on his person -- or previously, on Sharona's and Natalie's person? I also have to believe he would notice any change to them. Hmmm.
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Wipes are sealed and are mostly impossible to reseal to look like new.
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Good points.
"Wipes are sealed and are mostly impossible to reseal to look like new."
LOL. Which means that it is virtually impossible to fool Monk in this case (with wipes, that is).
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Something could have been injected with a hypodermic syringe.
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So, what are peoples' thoughts on who Trudy's killer might be? I think it's the Judge. I think he had Trudy killed, and that he had the pharmacist killed. (He may have had others killed as well -- maybe dating back several years, but I really don't know where all of the pieces of the puzzle fit as yet.)
As for "Monk" being the crown jewel, I wasn't speaking solely on quality (although I happen to believe that "Monk" is still the best show on USA) but also in creating the mold that virtually every show on the network today follows. It's the longest running show on the network, and Monk was probably the impetus for the "Characters Welcome" branding. The formula: quirky but brilliant protagonist, episodic plots and an overarching mythology that is touched on just often enough to keep the show from being strictly a procedural.
The ones I can think of are:
Monk
Psych
Burn Notice
Royal Pains
White Collar
Are there others?
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Did they say senator? If I recall correctly, the governor had appointed him to the state supreme court. I think the disappearance of the midwife, the death of the pharmacist and Trudy's murder all all tied into the conspiracy that has been in the background this entire series.
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Yes, I believe you're right about it being an appointment to the state supreme court. My error.
I don't know Craig T. Nelson all that well, so I wouldn't have caught that reference. I accept that you know these characters better than I (which you surely do).
I guess Dale the Whale isn't going to be making an appearance after all.
I missed the opening clip to the episode on Friday night (we tuned in at around 9:04 p.m. as we were watching a film that went a tad long). Was Ed Begley, Jr. the man that was killed? I remember him being quite young in an episode of Room 222, and of course as Mr. Starling in VOY. If this was his character, I found it a bit odd that he, as a major guest star, would be gone so soon. Maybe they plan to use him in pt. 2 via flashbacks?
Incidentally, there is quite the Monk marathon on today. We've caught a couple of episodes thus far. I'm really hoping to tape Mr. Monk and the End (pt. 1) sometime prior to next Friday and watch it before next week's finale.
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I'm not sure. Were Counterstrike, Renegade, Silk Stalkings, and La Femme Nikita USA originals? I thought some of them were, but I may be wrong about this.
Good point on the wipes, did they already say that everything on the sales reciept was tested?
Yes, they did. And yet it is clearly the case that the shopping cart was the killer's only chance to poison Monk. Maybe he used a binary poison, something in two parts that only becomes toxic when the two are combined. Either half by itself could have escaped a tox screen.
I'm not sure, either, but I don't think any of those count as far as being USA's "jewel in the crown" as all of them have been off the air for years and years.
Yes, Ed Begley was the pharamicist and he was featured in the teaser. (And will doubtless appear in flashbacks in the finale.) And I am really the only one who remembers him from St. Elsewhere and Arrested Development?
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