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Jerry Beck on Stu's Show: Tommorrow at 4

post #1 of 88
6/9/09 at 3:03pm
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Jerry on Stu’s Show tomorrow. | Cartoon Brew: Leading the Animation Conversation

Word up the grapevine suggests that the Mighty Mouse DVD he talked about last time will only contain the Ralph Bakshi update from the 80's. People who worked on it have been interviewed for extras.

oh, and

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Originally Posted by Jerry Beck
forthcoming (if any) classic cartoon DVDs from Warner Bros.

in English: say goodbye to Looney Tunes on DVD, because you know that anything he has to say on that subject won't be cheery.
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post #2 of 88
6/9/09 at 6:21pm

Re: Jerry Beck on Stu's Show: Tommorrow at 4

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Originally Posted by Kevin Martinez
Jerry on Stu’s Show tomorrow. | Cartoon Brew: Leading the Animation Conversation

Word up the grapevine suggests that the Mighty Mouse DVD he talked about last time will only contain the Ralph Bakshi update from the 80's. People who worked on it have been interviewed for extras.

oh, and


in English: say goodbye to Looney Tunes on DVD, because you know that anything he has to say on that subject won't be cheery.

I'd be happy to take Mighty Mouse in any format as that small step could get interest going for larger releases. You just never know.

I do really hope WB continues their classic cartoon lineup. There's so much stuff still out there (they STILL aren't done with Super Friends, even after the "lost" season is released) that I doubt they'll stop. And trust me, there's too much money to be made off of Bugs Bunny for them to stop doing Looney Tunes cold turkey.
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post #3 of 88
6/10/09 at 9:37am

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I hope the rumor about the Ralph Bakshi Mighty Mouse is true. That's always been one of my favorites.
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post #4 of 88
6/10/09 at 4:43pm

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Listening to the show right now. Mr. Beck has so far implied that Looney Tunes collections for the moment are dead, Popeye too, BUT that movement inside WB to get something out to sell has many thinking...Censored Eleven. He didn't want to say much but it seems the climate may have finally come for them. Plus, look forward to surprises in the Warner Archive from the shorts/cartoons area.

PS - To Tim, It's True!
PS2 - A Volume 2 of Saturday Morning Cartoons is coming.
Edited by Ed Moroughan - 7/18/2009 at 11:55 pm GMT
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post #5 of 88
6/10/09 at 9:04pm

Re: Jerry Beck on Stu's Show: Tommorrow at 4

Can anyone tell me when this show will be replayed. I missed the last seventy minutes of it. Is there a way I can download it.

James
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post #6 of 88
6/11/09 at 8:18am

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I simply don't have time to wade throught an entire re-broadcast. Can someone give us the lowdown on what was said? Looney Tunes, Popeye?
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post #7 of 88
6/11/09 at 9:29am

Re: Jerry Beck on Stu's Show: Tommorrow at 4

I did post what was said, that was all the news he had, the rest was discussion of Family Guy and other animated shows on now...anyway replay is daily at 7PM ET or 4PM PT.
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post #8 of 88
6/11/09 at 9:53am

Re: Jerry Beck on Stu's Show: Tommorrow at 4

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Originally Posted by Tim Tucker
I hope the rumor about the Ralph Bakshi Mighty Mouse is true. That's always been one of my favorites.

Me too! one of my favourites too, please be true!
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post #9 of 88
6/11/09 at 10:59am

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Well, according to Ed...
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PS - To Tim, It's True!
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post #10 of 88
6/11/09 at 11:57am

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I still don't understand why WB stopped with the Golden Collections. I thought those were the absolute pinnacle of classic animation on DVD, alongside the Disney Treasures.
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post #11 of 88
6/11/09 at 1:06pm

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Originally Posted by PaulP
I still don't understand why WB stopped with the Golden Collections.
They weren't selling enough. I've bought every set and will buy anymore that are released but they didn't pull the plug because it was making them too much money.
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post #12 of 88
6/11/09 at 2:22pm

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So, what would be a good strategy for getting the Looney Tunes reissued in a format that WOULD sell better? Frankly, I'm surprised they've given up not only on the Tunes, but on Popeye as well.

I would argue that there are few companies, if any, that give as much care or work in a release as WB, so whatever they come up with SHOULD be good, but I can't imagine something like Bugs Bunny sitting on the shelf for very long.
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post #13 of 88
6/11/09 at 3:12pm

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Originally Posted by Ed Moroughan
I did post what was said, that was all the news he had, the rest was discussion of Family Guy and other animated shows on now...anyway replay is daily at 7PM ET or 4PM PT.
Sorry, I was wondering if they offered more of a forecast. Thank you for what you did mention.

Reading feedback on other forums, it appears these decisions (formally at least) are economy-based. As for Looney Tunes, the Golden Collections were already wrapped up with Volume Six and it's been known there would be nothing this year. WB is supposedly revamping that series.
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post #14 of 88
11/11/09 at 9:02am
Jerry is on Stu's Show again tonight. He will be on at 7PM ET/4PM PT. Topics ranging from the upcoming Bashki Mighty Mouse set, the Saturday Morning Cartoons, and upcoming COLLECTORS items from WB! Looking forward to that subject the most!

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/internet-blogs/jerry-on-internet-radio-again.html
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post #15 of 88
11/11/09 at 5:18pm
We can "expect" the following:

Saturday Morning Cartoons 1970's Volume 3 (the 1970's sets sold better than the 1960's sets)
Saturday Morning Cartoons 1980's Volume 1
a Bugs Bunny Easter Special DVD (similar to the Valentine's Day DVD) http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Bugs-Bunny-Looney-Tunes-Comedy-Hour-Bugs-Bunnys-Easter-Funnies/12949
in April, single disc sets for both Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck maybe as part of a continuing collection (Jerry says they will not
     be double dipping, 15 cartoons each)
possible future Tom and Jerry "restored, Golden Collection style" sets
Leonard Maltin says Walt Disney Treasures will continue, consisting of what...unknown
buy the new Mighty Mouse: The New Adventures DVD set and they may go into the vaults for more Terrytoons!
a Volume 3 of Woody Woodpecker etc, if sales thinks it is viable
Looney Tunes return to Cartoon Network Sunday 11/15 @ 1PM ET for 6 hours, and then at 11AM daily for an hour after.
Edited by Ed Moroughan - 11/11/09 at 5:47pm
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post #16 of 88
11/11/09 at 5:50pm
what will the 1980s collection be, like the Fonz/Dukes/Laverne and Shirley/Transformers/GI Joe/Gilligans Planet/Mork and Mindy/Mr T. Saturday Morning cartoons died after the early 1980s, so doing a set may not make sense.
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post #17 of 88
11/11/09 at 7:37pm
So Popeye is dead after all?  Or just not mentioned? 

The Looney Tunes and Popeye collections were among my favorites - bummer to see them go by the wayside. 
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post #18 of 88
11/12/09 at 5:12am
I have to admit I was hoping for more. I would have loved to have heard that Batman '69 animated, Shazzan, Frankeinstein Jr, the Herculoids, Duck Dodger or even Pinky, Elmira, and the Brain might be in the consideration for season sets.

Well. . . .Maybe later

James
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post #19 of 88
11/12/09 at 6:47am
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So Popeye is dead after all?  Or just not mentioned? 

The Looney Tunes and Popeye collections were among my favorites - bummer to see them go by the wayside. 
I looked at the GAC site and requested a summary, if possible. I got alot of bits and pieces and it appears that Popeye is not dead but is a $$$ problem. Evidently some/all of the colored Popeyes need restoring which can't de done now.
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post #20 of 88
11/12/09 at 2:00pm

Good to hear about these plans, although I hope past standards are maintained. Over at the Golden Age Cartoon forum, there is some concern the Looney Tunes single-discs will not be restored. According to one member, Jerry himself isn't sure.

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post #21 of 88
11/12/09 at 5:35pm
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So Popeye is dead after all?  Or just not mentioned? 

The Looney Tunes and Popeye collections were among my favorites - bummer to see them go by the wayside. 

Popeye was mentioned only when the host asked "could Popeye be released as a Warner Archive set?" Jerry's answer was (I think) "anything is possible Archive wise." Not sure if that is positive or negative news really.
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post #22 of 88
11/12/09 at 6:14pm
Hmmm. From what others are reporting, Popeye is being held off until budgets allow for a proper job to be done.
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post #23 of 88
11/12/09 at 6:24pm
Probably true. Maybe he meant some kind of interim set? It's all speculation though isn't it until we hear straight up from WB. I'd like Popeye any way I could get him, so however it's done, let it be done.
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post #24 of 88
11/12/09 at 7:25pm
I know the info we have regarding the possible single-disc releases of un-released LT shorts is vague and possibly not yet confirmed completely, but it is kind of sad news regardless.  I kind of wish WB would go the route of the WDT line and start over from scratch w/this line.  They could continue w/their Spotlight Collection, but just start over w/limited, albeit higher production runs, releases in tins or some special kind of case.  Drastic retooling and it might get it a higher profile within the public eye.
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post #25 of 88
11/12/09 at 8:09pm
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I know the info we have regarding the possible single-disc releases of un-released LT shorts is vague and possibly not yet confirmed completely, but it is kind of sad news regardless.  I kind of wish WB would go the route of the WDT line and start over from scratch w/this line.  They could continue w/their Spotlight Collection, but just start over w/limited, albeit higher production runs, releases in tins or some special kind of case.  Drastic retooling and it might get it a higher profile within the public eye.

I could not agree more.  The people who really buy these want them in a format similar to the Popeye and Stooges collections, not these "best of" collections like the Golden and Spotlight collections, which turn off many of the hardcore fans.
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post #26 of 88
11/12/09 at 9:44pm
Well, LTs in chronological order would be quite difficult to sell. I think a "wave" format, like the Disney Treasures, might be an option. Or, yes, limited editions of a single, annual Golden Collection-style set. Even if it's difficult to imagine that happening right now, the possibility of a Tom and Jerry revisit indicates WB's awareness of the fact people want these classics done properly, regardless of the logic behind the presentation.
 
All that aside, it would be a real shame (and waste) to go through with anything unrestored. For me personally, that's the bottom line: they must be presented properly. It doesn't make much sense to revisit T&J in an effort to restore and organize them like Golden Collections while, in the same breath, releasing single-disc, unrestored LTs. But hey, it doesn't make much sense to deviate away from restored animation, the home video precedent set for most of this decade, at all.
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post #27 of 88
11/13/09 at 7:24am

If they went the WDT way w/the LT shorts just b/c a volume doesn't sell as well if they went in a chronological sense doesn't mean it would be the end of the world.  Let us say that the first wave had a 3 different sets.  One could be a war-era of shorts, one a set of chronological Bugs Bunny in order to get the series starting out right, and one a 1920s/30s set.  The 1920/30s shorts might not sell well, but that's okay.  I'm sure the Oswald WDT set didn't sell all that well either, but it didn't kill the line, they had to have known it wouldn't have been a big seller.  I say keep everything in chronological or complete if warranted in order to make a uniform set.  There are many ways they could do this.

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post #28 of 88
11/13/09 at 11:34am
The WDT have, since the beginning, supported weaker volumes by issuing them with stronger ones. That makes sense. However, starting the LTs from scratch is not the way to go. That would require double-dipping of approximately 360 cartoons already released, 90% of which are the all-time most popular.
I think a WDT-style series could work but, since the general public is buying fewer DVDs these days, knows this material so well and already has what they want in the Golden Collections, it would really need to be aimed at collectors. Waves in limited editions could do this. But it would need to be clear all the content released is new-to-DVD. To do an entire series, aimed at collectors, with double-dips would be a shot in the foot.
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post #29 of 88
11/13/09 at 5:29pm
How so the shot in the foot comment?  Many series get a barebones release then are released later on as a complete series or deluxe addition or whatever w/loaded extras and the whole shebang, so to speak.  There are many tv sets that I collected as separate seasons then sold off once the complete series came out b/c it had more content or was more attractive to me.  I have no clue, but are we at the half-way mark w/the LT sets or are we further along?  I agree if they only liked two more sets and then decided to start over I would be pissed, but if they started over right now I would totally start over w/them, but that's me.

Is anyone here really prepared to accept single disc releases in order to complete the LT library at this point?  I mean how many discs/volumes would it take to complete the library of shorts?  This is even if WB loaded these individual discs w/as many shorts as were on each CG set discs.
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post #30 of 88
11/13/09 at 7:24pm
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After a whole year without any major Looney Tunes releases, DVD's of unrestored shorts is the equivalent of Warner rubbing their reproductive organs in peoples' faces.

I rather these single disc bombs than see this half-assedness encouraged.
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