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post #91 of 177
6/8/09 at 3:09pm

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Originally Posted by Sam Posten
Oh for fs sake AT&T isnt going to support Tethering. FAIL

AT&T to Eventually Offer Tethering in the U.S. - Mac Rumors

Rumors that tethering will be coming to AT&T.
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post #92 of 177
6/8/09 at 4:24pm

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Wow, kinda hidden in the Snow Leopard updates:
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Multi-Touch gestures in older Mac models.
All Mac notebooks with Multi-Touch trackpads now support three- and four-finger gestures.
So I have a 2.33GHz C2D Macbook Pro which does support two-finger gestures (i.e. use two fingers to scroll down and two finger tap to bring up contextual menu). Is that technically multi-touch support, and so I can expect to get three- and four- finger gesture support with Snow Leopard?
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post #93 of 177
6/8/09 at 5:07pm

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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
Gotcha. But other than that, still essentially the same machine (guts-wise, meaning CPU, mobo, RAM, etc.). I get that it's important to you, but I think the "masses" are moving towards eSATA now. It's getting harder and harder for me to even find Firewire enclosures for HDs (outside of Macsales).

By the "masses", you must mean PC users. Nobody is using them on the Mac side. eSATA sucks, BTW....they can't be bus powered and they can't be daisy chained. Given that the ExpressCard slot has just been removed from the 15-inch MBP, they will only work on two Mac models...the Mac Pro and the 17-inch MBP. Eventually everyone will be cutting over to USB 3.
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post #94 of 177
6/8/09 at 5:10pm

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Originally Posted by Ted Todorov
Total agreement on the importance of Firewire. Not to mention Firewire target mode: the a spectacularly useful tool.

Couldn't have said it better myself, Ted. Target Disk Mode is a killer feature.
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post #95 of 177
6/8/09 at 5:17pm

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Originally Posted by Michael_K_Sr
Couldn't have said it better myself, Ted. Target Disk Mode is a killer feature.

Yes, it is. It has saved me a ton of grief and trouble over the years too.
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post #96 of 177
6/8/09 at 6:02pm

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Keynote Stream Posted:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc09/

Downloadable video should be on the keynote podcast later.
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post #97 of 177
6/8/09 at 7:08pm

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I'm pleasantly surprised about the Snow Leopard pricing. It's cheap enough that my wife can buy her new Mac anytime -- no need to wait 'til Sept -- and we'll upgrade to 10.6 when it comes out.
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post #98 of 177
6/8/09 at 7:29pm

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What's the word on GPU-acceleration for 10.6? Do I need to get my wife the fastest video card I can to "future proof" and enhance her Adobe software?
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post #99 of 177
6/8/09 at 7:47pm

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Originally Posted by Michael_K_Sr
By the "masses", you must mean PC users. Nobody is using them on the Mac side.
Well, since no Mac comes with eSATA, that's not surprising.

Honestly, we can say masses = PC users and that's fine. But really when the net result is that I walk into Best Buy, Frys, etc. and most of the external HDs are USB and eSATA only, and the very few Firewire ones I've had bad luck with not being able to boot as target disk (thanks a lot WD, you should warn Mac users if your external firewire HD doesn't support target disk), then it doesn't matter if masses = PC users or whatever, the bottom line is that it's hard to find firewire external HDs out in the real world. I like Macsales as much as the next guy, but they have a pretty high price premium for their firewire enclosures.

Firewire is more niche than Mac hardware, because I can find Macs at most Best Buys, Frys, etc. but I can't find good firewire support at any of them. That's like being a niche within a niche.

Don't get me wrong, I'm for firewire and I agree it's the best interface available, but when it's hard to find good devices for reasonable prices, it gets a little frustrating.
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post #100 of 177
6/8/09 at 8:19pm

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Ok I need to figure this out.

we can upgrade with my wife's line but not mine.

will they let us switch phone numbers.
she'll keep my 3g put her number on that i get the 3gs and put my number there.
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post #101 of 177
6/8/09 at 9:23pm

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Originally Posted by TonyD
Ok I need to figure this out.

we can upgrade with my wife's line but not mine.

will they let us switch phone numbers.
she'll keep my 3g put her number on that i get the 3gs and put my number there.

Should be okay just swapping the SIM cards, although you may want to wait a few days and see if others have had problems (I'm sure a lot of people will be doing what you are planning.)
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post #102 of 177
6/9/09 at 12:09am

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Ars had a talk with AT&T, tethering is coming but AT&T isn't ready to announce it yet. MMS is being delayed until upgrades to their 3G network can be completed.

AT&T speaks on tethering, iPhone 3G S preorders, upgrades - Ars Technica

In regards to the $29 10.6 upgrade, last time I had an upgrade install disc from Apple, it required the previous version of the OS be installed first. You could still wipe the drive before installing, but the OS had to be in place for the check. If that is the case this time, I think I would buy the regular full retail copy. It is not a big deal, but I rather not have that limitation.

I am waiting on reviews before considering upgrading my iPhone 3G. For me, the appeal will greatly depend on the quality of the pics/video of the new camera. I am also wondering if we might get iPhones with other carriers at some point 2010. If so, it might be better to wait rather than extend my contract with AT&T.

Some nice announcements today but I can't help but wonder if Steve will be announcing a larger device running the iPhone OS (tablet) when he comes back?

-Keith
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post #103 of 177
6/9/09 at 3:18am
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Given that the ExpressCard slot has just been removed from the 15-inch MBP

Michael,

I missed this little ditty.

I use a PC air card while on the road. Fits in the express slot of
my 3-year-old MBP.

Are you saying that Apple removed the express slot on their just
announced 15" model?
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post #104 of 177
6/9/09 at 3:53am

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Originally Posted by Keith Plucker
In regards to the $29 10.6 upgrade, last time I had an upgrade install disc from Apple, it required the previous version of the OS be installed first. You could still wipe the drive before installing, but the OS had to be in place for the check. If that is the case this time, I think I would buy the regular full retail copy. It is not a big deal, but I rather not have that limitation.
[DELETED for being completely wrong about the matter ]
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post #105 of 177
6/9/09 at 4:00am

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Hmm, I only recently bought a MacBook 13" and they've now gone and updated it! Essentially it's very similar to my current machine with the (re)addition of FW and a new SD card slot which I don't need, but not the extra graphics of the other Pro models.

I'm surprised that the PC card slot has gone on the 15" MBP. There's at least one manufacturer making a PC card for eSata with Mac support. If the Pro range is supposed to be targeted to video and audio pros, then fast external storage would be essential.

Looking forward to Snow Leopard and getting a new iPhone later in the year though
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post #106 of 177
6/9/09 at 4:46am

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Originally Posted by DaveF
That said, perhaps Apple will change its policy with 10.6 and allow it only to upgrade from 10.5, meaning you'd have to buy 10.5 as well if you're not currently up to date. I can't find specifics on that. I hope that's not so; I hope 10.6 is a full upgrade from any previous OS version. It's the best path forward to get every Mac owner up to date.
The $29/$49 price is indeed only available to people upgrading from Leopard. Tiger users will have to buy the Mac Box Set (SL, iLife 09 & iWork 09) for $169/$229.
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post #107 of 177
6/9/09 at 5:33am

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Originally Posted by Craig S
The $29/$49 price is indeed only available to people upgrading from Leopard. Tiger users will have to buy the Mac Box Set (SL, iLife 09 & iWork 09) for $169/$229.
I suspect two things:
Apple knows that the overwhelming majority of Intel Mac owners are running Leopard (Snow Leopard doesn't support PPC). So Insisting on a Leopard install is a non-issue for most.

Psystar type hackintosh operations claiming they are shipping the machines with a retail copy of Mac OS X: If the $29 Snow Leopard was a install over anything package these companies could say: We gave Apple the $29, we are legal. That way at least they will have to pay $169.
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post #108 of 177
6/9/09 at 5:42am

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Originally Posted by Craig S
The $29/$49 price is indeed only available to people upgrading from Leopard. Tiger users will have to buy the Mac Box Set (SL, iLife 09 & iWork 09) for $169/$229.
Ah. Does that mean that there is no box set for the $29 10.6? I was hoping to get iLife, iWork and Snow Leopard for an even lower combined price.
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post #109 of 177
6/9/09 at 7:01am

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Originally Posted by DaveF
I'm pleasantly surprised about the Snow Leopard pricing. It's cheap enough that my wife can buy her new Mac anytime -- no need to wait 'til Sept -- and we'll upgrade to 10.6 when it comes out.

somewhere buried in apples pages i read that if you buy a new mac from june 8th til Snow comes out, you can get it for 9.95.


and back to the pricing/full box option. Im' guessing there will be retail boxes that are snow leopard, but probably have leopard and snow in the same box or bundled together for 129. A also assume that the snow leopard is a upgrade disk, not a full install, or at least runs a os checker at some point.
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post #110 of 177
6/9/09 at 7:33am

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Full Snow Leopard feature list:
Apple - Mac OS X Snow Leopard - Enhancements and Refinements
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post #111 of 177
6/9/09 at 8:30am

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The WWDC Warm up comic

Late Night with Jimmy Fallon - Video Blogs - Jimmy Warms Up The Crowd At WWDC - Jimmy Fallon's Video Blog | NBC Official Site
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post #112 of 177
6/9/09 at 8:33am

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somewhere buried in apples pages i read that if you buy a new mac from june 8th til Snow comes out, you can get it for 9.95.

Apple - Mac OS X - Update your new Mac with Mac OS X Snow Leopard.

I guess there is no excuse for me to wait until September for an upgrade.


- Walter.
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post #113 of 177
6/9/09 at 8:44am

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same. im waiting til i get one more gift card from amazon so i can put 50$ to a new mini. will be my first mac in 7 years and 5th total. can't wait though, my quicksilver g4 is getting way LOOONG in the tooth
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post #114 of 177
6/9/09 at 8:49am

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I'm running a 1.25 GHz PPC Mirror Door from the same time frame and while it still works okay; I've been ready for an upgrade. Probably going to go with one of the iMac models or possibly a notebook. Still juggling the decision.

Of course, Snow Leopard being Intel only is kind of the writing on the wall.

- Walter.
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post #115 of 177
6/9/09 at 9:14am

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
Michael,

I missed this little ditty.

I use a PC air card while on the road. Fits in the express slot of
my 3-year-old MBP.

Are you saying that Apple removed the express slot on their just
announced 15" model?

That's correct, Ron. I just got a new ExpressCard modem for my MBP two weeks ago. When I saw the news yesterday, I contacted Sprint and I'm going to swap it out with a USB modem since I'm within the first 30 days. Not sure how old your air card is, but most wireless vendors will allow you to upgrade to a new card without penalty after 12 months...except for AT&T, of course.
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post #116 of 177
6/9/09 at 10:07am

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Originally Posted by Shane D
same. im waiting til i get one more gift card from amazon so i can put 50$ to a new mini. will be my first mac in 7 years and 5th total. can't wait though, my quicksilver g4 is getting way LOOONG in the tooth
I'm contemplating a Mini as well. I'd like to get (eventually) a new 15" or 17" Macbook Pro (to replace my 2.33GHz C2D, which still runs like a champ) or a iMac, but not before they put in the Nehalem chipsets. I think getting a Mini will tide me over by letting me have a new media server in a small form factor to play with until Apple starts implementing Nehalem and, hopefully, Blu-ray.

I'm probably going to get the cheapest Mini and then break warranty on it immediately by slapping 4GB of RAM and a 500GB 7200RPM HD on it from either Newegg or OWC.
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post #117 of 177
6/9/09 at 10:26am

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Originally Posted by Shane D
somewhere buried in apples pages i read that if you buy a new mac from june 8th til Snow comes out, you can get it for 9.95.
I told my wife she can get her Mac anytime. This further reduces the sting

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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
...but not before they put in the Nehalem chipsets.
Any realistic sense of the next CPU revision? (Should I make my wife wait any longer...)?
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post #118 of 177
6/9/09 at 10:34am

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Forgot to mention that I updated my gen 1 iTouch to 3.0 Gold Master last night. From a consumer standpoint it doesn't really seem any different other than spotlight, and if I wasn't in the dev program to get it for free I don't think I would spring for the $10 to get it.
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post #119 of 177
6/9/09 at 10:39am

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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
Sam, I agree about BD. However as I mentioned earlier I think this is really just a minor refresh, so it doesn't surprise me that BD didn't make it in there. Also, when BD first hits Apple I'm be it will be a CTO option on the Mac Pro (and maybe the iMacs) before it hits the portable line.

When they move their MBPs to the Nehalem chipset (probably late 09/early 10), that's my guess as to when they'll put BD in their mobile products as a CTO option, but my guess is that BD will be a CTO option on the Mac Pro around the time Snow Leopard is released. No basis on my conjecture, just a gut feeling.
If by BD support you mean playback of commercial BDs, I can tell you right now -- it isn't in Snow Leopard. The Mac OS X betas are not exactly a closely kept secret -- if there was BD support, we'd know about it -- somebody would have found it. I ran Leopard Betas for months so I could use the greatly superior Leopard DVD player and Front Row. They can't keep a major feature like that out of all the betas and then suddenly stick it into the golden master.
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Originally Posted by Sam Posten
That's ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room called DVD. It will happen, eventually.
Sam, I'm not sure I understand your meaning. Are you saying that BD will completely replace DVD and thus Apple will have to support it? It could happen, but it is by no means a given. DVD may stay around long enough to see downloads killing BD as a mass market product. BD will surely survive as a videophile niche, but I am not betting on it beating out downloads as the mainstream video format of the future.
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post #120 of 177
6/9/09 at 10:52am

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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
I'm contemplating a Mini as well. I'd like to get (eventually) a new 15" or 17" Macbook Pro (to replace my 2.33GHz C2D, which still runs like a champ) or a iMac, but not before they put in the Nehalem chipsets. I think getting a Mini will tide me over by letting me have a new media server in a small form factor to play with until Apple starts implementing Nehalem and, hopefully, Blu-ray.

I'm probably going to get the cheapest Mini and then break warranty on it immediately by slapping 4GB of RAM and a 500GB 7200RPM HD on it from either Newegg or OWC.


same here. im going with the mini cause of price and dont really need a laptop. im gonna use the machine in my room and in the living room on my 42" lcd. i've already watched videos on how to crack it open and put in memory and a drive.

The day i order it from amazon, i'll be ordering from newegg, 2 2gb sticks, a 320gb 7200 drive, a cheap usb2 enclosure for the drive in the mini. then from monoprice, a mini display to hdmi converter, hdmi cable, mini toslink to toslink, and a firewire 400 to 800 cable so i can import movies from my parents camcorder. overall the total price will be cheaper than the high end mini and get all the same benefits.
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