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A few words about...™ Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned... -- in Blu-ray

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Stanley Kubrick's dark comedy about high level military insanity and war during the "duck and cover" era is as brilliant today as it was in 1963, when George C. Scott noted in an interview, that he felt that it would be discussed far into the future.

Mr. Scott was right.

What he, nor anyone else, could have predicted however, in an age where original negatives were shipped across the pond (and then back) for printing, was that by the mid-1980s the original negative would be nowhere to be found.

There have been various rumors.

Mr. Kubrick was so upset that he ordered all extant elements shipped to his home outside London, where he meticulously re-photographed each frame from whatever was available...

with his Nikon.

Mr. Kubrick was so upset that he ordered all extant elements shipped to his home outside London, where upon examination of dupes, he found bits and pieces of his original negative cut in as replacement footage.

The truth of the situation is that Columbia's Asset Protection guru, Grover Crisp, ordered all extant elements shipped in for examination, and in an era during which 4k restoration was virtually unknown -- I'm aware of only one other which entailed a trio of color films -- culled through the elements, and moved meticulously forward with the necessary frame by frame restoration, of which we are now the Blu-ray beneficiary.

Acknowledging the fact that the OCN no longer is available, the results are as close to Mr. Kubrick's original intent as humanly and technologically possible.

Gorgeous black & white, with a clean, dirt-free, stable image, and every bit of original resolution as captured by the protection elements.

Dr. Strangelove is one of the most important and entertaining films made in our century plus of the cinema.

I've seen it in virtually every incarnation over the years, and generally (except for the very first screening) went away less than pleased. This Blu-ray has me smiling again.

Formatted in 1.66:1 aspect ratio, it gets something right that over the decades seemed to get continually overlooked. The proper framing of the B-52 Stratofortress in flight. These huge aircraft -- 8 engines, 159 feet long, 40 feet high, and with a wing span of 185 feet (many of which are still in service, and will remain in service) are magnificent in flight. For many of the shots in Strangelove, they were captured from wingtip to wingtip, but for whatever reason some of these shots seemed to have been continuously cropped in either printing or video replication.

They're back, and framed to perfection.

There is only one Dr. Strangelove, and it's a must own for anyone who even has an inkling that they love the cinema. Not to own this film can lead to the loss of one's cinephile license.

As an aside, as I noted, while the aspect ratio of Dr. Strangelove is 1.66:1, the aspect ratio of the B-52 is slightly wider, even wider than Ultra-Panavision 70, at 8.56:1

Dr. Strangelove on Blu-ray is the most perfect version of the film that one will see, and I can't not give it the unusual rating of:

Extremely Highly Recommended!

(Dr. Strangelove is encoded for regions A, B and C)

RAH
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I might have to re-activate my blu access on netflix just for this.
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Thank you Robert for the very informative review.

This is a title that I've coveted for sometime and am overjoyed to hear that it was treated with the respect it deserves.
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"As an aside, as I noted, while the aspect ratio of Dr. Strangelove is 1.66:1, the aspect ratio of the B-52 is slightly wider, even wider than Ultra-Panavision 70, at 8.56:1"

is that a real aspect ratio?
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Do these two (somewhat minor) issues still exist from the last DVD release? I read this on another forum when this disc was announced:

1. @38:09 - In the scene where the Russian ambassador is caught with the camera in the war room: after the line "That's a damn lie. I saw him with my own eyes." In the next line: "Mister >>[Amb...leman]<< this is outrageous. I have never heard of such behavior in the war room before!" there is an odd audio edit that sounds like the word "ambassador" has been replaced with part of the word "gentlemen."

2. @39:52 - There is a film source "skip" where some frames appear to repeat when Peter Sellars is seated on the couch folding the foil gum wrapper.
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
There is only one Dr. Strangelove, and it's a must own for anyone who even has an inkling that they love the cinema. Not to own this film can lead to the loss of one's cinephile license.

LOL is that a threat ? Doesn't matter, though. I already planned to pick this up. Sony continues to take very good care of their back catalog, I must say. Along with Ghostbusters this should be a very satisfying release.
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great news but still gonna hold out for the price to drop
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The remastered DVD was an absolute joy to watch, and I'm glad to hear that the Blu does it even better. Thanks RAH.
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Sold! Thanks for the thorough review, RAH!
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Originally Posted by Scott D S
Do these two (somewhat minor) issues still exist from the last DVD release? I read this on another forum when this disc was announced:

1. @38:09 - In the scene where the Russian ambassador is caught with the camera in the war room: after the line "That's a damn lie. I saw him with my own eyes." In the next line: "Mister >>[Amb...leman]<< this is outrageous. I have never heard of such behavior in the war room before!" there is an odd audio edit that sounds like the word "ambassador" has been replaced with part of the word "gentlemen."

2. @39:52 - There is a film source "skip" where some frames appear to repeat when Peter Sellars is seated on the couch folding the foil gum wrapper.

There are three types of film restoration or "restorations."

1. A new print or cleaned negative hyped as a "restoration."

2. What I have coined "masturbatory" restoration. What could have been a lab order, plus a bit of extra detail work, that has the trappings of a true restoration, as well as publicity and sizzle behind it.

3. Film restorations that begin with proper research, and work from the ground up to literally re-build a film.

Dr. Strangelove is a perfect example of number 3. As such, these problems inherent in older video releases necessary to cover problems with elements, no longer exist.

Dr. Strangelove is film restoration done right.

RAH
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While I've been quite happy with my SD copy (most recent release), this will be a double-dip for sure. I'll keep the other one (I use excerpts in class when we cover the Cold War) but for home viewing, only the best will do when it comes to the good Dr.
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Great to hear this came out great! The '04 remaster is fantastic, so I'm eager to see it in 1080p form. I took advantage of Amazon's $22 sale price on pre-order. Not that it wouldn't be worth a $40 MSRP.

I've actually felt the murkiness of some older transfers added to the film, even if it was completely unintentional. I'd much rather see the film intended by Kubrick without the damage and dupey contrast, but I used to think it was meant to look like that when I was younger. This is not the case for 2001, which absolutely needs the best quality possible.


On the subject of Kubrick, what's your opinion on the UCLA/MGM restoration for Paths of Glory?
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This is one of my all time favorites. I am looking forward to adding it to my small collection of films in high definition.
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Here's an interesting read:

American Cinematographer: Post Focus:
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Originally Posted by TonyD
"As an aside, as I noted, while the aspect ratio of Dr. Strangelove is 1.66:1, the aspect ratio of the B-52 is slightly wider, even wider than Ultra-Panavision 70, at 8.56:1"

is that a real aspect ratio?

I believe Mr. Harris is referring to the actual B-52s themselves. I don't believe he means to imply that the aspect ratio of the film changes to 8:56:1 when we see the B-52.
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Originally Posted by Mike Williams
I believe Mr. Harris is referring to the actual B-52s themselves. I don't believe he means to imply that the aspect ratio of the film changes to 8:56:1 when we see the B-52.

Only when donning the colorful and festive pair of special Dr. Strangelove glasses (4 pair included with Blu-ray).
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
Only when donning the colorful and festive pair of special Dr. Strangelove glasses (4 pair included with Blu-ray).
Well, NOW I'm sold.
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
Here's an interesting read:

American Cinematographer: Post Focus:
Thanks, RAH. That makes the distinction between "masturbatory" restoration and an actual restoration even clearer.
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
Here's an interesting read:

American Cinematographer: Post Focus:

Great read, thank you for posting it. There is a lot of good information in the article and I especially appreciated these comments:

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Cineric’s proven expertise with photochemical film restoration gave Crisp additional confidence. “It helps a great deal to have people doing the digital work who have experience with traditional photochemical processes — people who know film, how it works and how to handle it, and what you can and can’t get out of it,” he says. “I’ve found that it’s very easy for people who are not steeped in film history from a technical perspective to make some drastic mistakes, even if they have the best intentions.”

Crisp makes an excellent point about good intentions not being enough. Unfortunately we've seen this borne out from time to time on Blu-ray, but it is good to know that this title was handled correctly.
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
Here's an interesting read:

American Cinematographer: Post Focus:

Thank you, Mr. Harris. You're right, that *was* an interesting read.

Was this kind of restoration performed for other Kubrick films on Blu-ray?
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Originally Posted by Rob LoVerde
Thank you, Mr. Harris. You're right, that *was* an interesting read.

Was this kind of restoration performed for other Kubrick films on Blu-ray?

Not that I'm aware.
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Many Thanks for your review Mr. Harris.
Happily added to my short list.
Some of my favorite scenes from this film are the glorious shots of the B-52. With appropriate background music.
Tony S
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Never seen this film but I've got the BD pre-ordered.

Looking forward to watching it.
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While one of my all-time favorites, I was not immediately convinced that owning this one on Blu Ray would be worth my while, since Strangelove is largely a dialogue-driven film. But I love those B-52 shots, and did take notice to their presentation in the SD version. To see those babies presented "tip to tip" will be worth it to me, not to mention the overall treat of the restoration. Besides, my SD copy can now officially become "the loaner" without concern.

Thanks for the great review.

John
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
Not that I'm aware.

If I may take the question one step further, do you think that, say, "2001: A Space Odyssey" or "A Clockwork Orange" would have benefited from the treatment given Dr. Strangelove or do they not need that due to being more recent motion pictures? I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
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Originally Posted by Rob LoVerde
If I may take the question one step further, do you think that, say, "2001: A Space Odyssey" or "A Clockwork Orange" would have benefited from the treatment given Dr. Strangelove or do they not need that due to being more recent motion pictures? I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

2001, yes, but I don't know if the results would necessarily show up in low-rez. ACO, doubtful.
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Thank you, sir. Again, I appreciate your time.
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The previous 2-disc SD transfer was far too dark, as the DVD Beaver comparison reveals. The BD may be a little too bright when viewed on my PC monitor when compared to my plasma TV which often seem to be the case. The cropping/framing on the BD is better. The original mono soundtrack really ought to have been uncompressed, though. Otherwise, this is marvelous work from Sony.
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
2001, yes, but I don't know if the results would necessarily show up in low-rez. ACO, doubtful.

RAH - forgive me for asking, because I don't mean to sound doubtful, but does "2001" really need restoration work? I ask because it's my favorite film of all time, period, and I'd hate to see anything bad happen to it. That said, I saw it in 70mm as recently as 2003 and in 35mm as recently as last year, both were fairly new prints and looked about as close to pristine as you can get. The current DVD and Blu-ray releases look pretty good to my eye as well. Is the negative really in trouble?
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