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Re: A Buffy The Vampire Slayer film, possibly without creator Joss Whedon

I think the title itself is a huge hurdle for any sort of mainstream acceptance. Over the years, I've tried to recommend the series to a number of folks, offering to loan them my DVD's, but they can't seem to get past sniggering about the title, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," to even consider viewing the show.

Between that, and the original movie, most people have already written off the premise before even seeing the series (and will likely blow off the new film before seeing it, too).

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That may be the case, but I think the title is one of the best things the franchise has going for it: It puts a pretty clear image in the head of anyone who sees it, which can either be played to or subverted. It's memorable as opposed to generic. And that was before it was a brand name.

Yes, some folks will dismiss it - but, honestly, are they generally people who would have any interest in the actual work (yeah, I know, everyone can name a contrary example or two, but in general)?

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We know that they're trying to cash in without any regards to the fanbase or Buffy's creator. I think we know plenty. Somebody just turned on the power to the Shit-factory.

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The reality is we know what the Kuzuis' track record is with this material. And it isn't pretty. Sure, anything is possible. But a good "Buffy" from them is highly unlikely, based on the history.

If it's good, I'll go see it. But given their sensibilities with it, I seriously doubt it will be. And I frankly doubt it will get off the ground.

Time will tell...

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No, you don't know. You believe, at best. And that's really the problem with a lot of the comment being made in this thread: Presenting belief as fact -- the ultimate in indefensible rhetoric.

If you think that Joss Whedon is Buffy's creator, then you're completely off the rails.

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Of course, expecting them to repeat that means assuming that they will repeat what didn't work the first time and learn nothing from what did. I wouldn't call that a particularly safe assumption.

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If they'd announced they were going to take the ideas of the never-launched animated Buffy tv series (with the original actors voices), and make an animated feature, people would have been interested.

Particularly if Joss was asked for his blessing, and if his usual writers were given the a-ok that they can work on this even without him.

But I imagine an animated film probably costs much more than a low budget, direct-to-rental horror film.

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Or, if Jim Henson Productions had said they'd do a serious Buffy film entirely with custom-made muppets (made to look like the real cast), that would have been most excellent too.

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It depends on how you look at it. According to the WGA, the track record is this:

Whedon pens the script. The script was picked up and funded by Fran Rebel Kuzui, who discovered it from a fairly unknown Whedon at the time. She liked the script and bought the option on it. She then worked the script for her movie, along with Whedon, and the movie was produced.

But the original script, at least according to the WGA, was submitted by Whedon.

So, I guess it depends on what you mean by "creator". I suppose if tomorrow someone made "Ender's Game" the movie, and they hired in another script writer and had a director attached.. well, I can't see any way you wouldn't say the writer (Orson Scott Card in that case) would be the creator. Any more then you could say Mitch Rapp wasn't created by Vince Flynn or Harry Potter by JK Rowling. In those cases, other scriptwriters worked the scripts, directors made their marks, but they weren't the creator.

Unless you know something we don't, and the WGA and others are all wrong about initial writing credit and when the script was sold to Kuzui (long before the film) then I'd love to hear that.

I guess I'm a literary person. Always will be. Dune is always Frank Herbert, not David Lynch. In Cold Blood is always Truman Capote, not those who direct it, and so on.

But I'd love to hear the take where the initial writer is not the creator of something, because that would be news to me.


Now, I have to admit, this as a concept would be fairly awesome.. just a one-off kind of bit It would bomb, but I would be there. Then again, I'm still waiting on Henson productions to get Dark Crystal II done.

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FACT; Joss Whedon is the creator of Buffy. I honestly don't know where you're coming from even trying to claim otherwise. It's not as if this is disputed.

FACT; These people have made it clear they intend to make the film "with or without" him, which essentially means without him considering the way they've presented it.

FACT; They have stated it will have nothing to do with the television series, which is responsible for 99.9% of the existing fanbase.

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My reaction to this runs both hot and cold, hot because anything that get's teenagers to at least check out the TV series and see how much better Buffy did the whole tragic human in love with a brooding vampire story than that immensley terrible Twilight is a definate plus.

That was my main problem with that movie, if teen girls think that Twilight is all there is and they haven't seen Buffy than that bothers me quite a bit.

Cold because of the obvious reasons so many above me have given.

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Well, we already sort of saw that on Angel. I still laugh every time I see the Angel puppet.

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Yup. But Buffy hasn't had her turn as a puppet yet.

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I've gotten the impression they aren't targetting existing Buffy fans, but rather action movie fans. Like they want to make a heavy action spectacle not a follow-up to the lighter movie/tv show style. So I'm thinking kickass fights against vampires and probably some explosions with a darker setting. Don't get me wrong though, I liked the tv show too. I tuned in originally for the premise of a teenage girl chosen to kill vampires. I'll watch the movie for the same reason. If it sucks then I still have the tv show. If its cool then I'll have both.

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Smile Time is my all time favorite Angel episode lol, just looking at Angel as the puppet makes me laugh.

It just combines everything I love about the playful side of Joss Whedon perfectly.

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I've always found Joss to be a one trick pony frankly. Outside of Buffy, what else has he ever done? People keep talking about how epic and dark the Buffy series is. Frankly it's not. It's only epic and dark in the context of it originally being aimed at tweens. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the show (he may be a one trick pony, but it was a hell of a trick), but even ANGEL was a let down in comparison (until the final season when they were more concerned with massive fight scenes then joeky moron plots....), and FIREFLY looked like it would be more interesting then both but took way to long to get going.

But other then that, he's done nothing. Oh, he's bitched about how others ruined his scripts on other films, because he's a genius and can do no wrong right? Where's his Wonder Woman movie? He's off Dollhouse I think (again, networks are too unfriendly...) I'm not far into the comic book Season 8 of Buffy, but as of volume 3 of the TP, it's frankly really lazy & obvious plot wise.

This is a good opportunity to do something with the Slayer idea that could be kick ass. There was book about Spike and Dru that was supposed to be really great to read and was super hardcore, if they did something like that, it could be great.

But what I suspect will happen is that you'll get a slayer movie that feels like Twilight so as to draw in the dollars. There's no other reason to dust of the property and go in a new direction other then to cash in.

And as others have said, a new Buffy movie doesn't erase the previous series.

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Christ all mighty I hope your wrong.

Re: A Buffy The Vampire Slayer film, possibly without creator Joss Whedon

Nope, still there.