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Star Trek: The Original Motion Picture Collection (Blu-ray)

Studio: Paramount Home Video
Rated: See individual titles
Aspect Ratio: See individual titles
HD Encoding: 1080p
HD Video Codec: MPEG-4 AVC
Audio: See Audio section
Subtitles: English, French, Spanish, Portuguese; English SDH+
Time: See individual titles
Disc Format: 7 SS/DL BD
Case Style: Slimline keep cases in a cardboard sleeve.
Theatrical Release Date: See individual titles
Blu-Ray Release Date: May 12, 2009

Due to a ton of problems with Paramount getting these titles out to reviewers in a timely fashion, HTF Reviewer Matt Hough and I are splitting up the movies since he received the trilogy (Star Trek II-IV) first. His review of these movies can be found here:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...ml#post3557053

Since this is a pretty big set, I’m going to break from my usual review format and give only brief synopsis of the movies themselves. I believe most of the readership is familiar enough with these movies that they wouldn’t need a lengthy rehash of the plots. The following information about the set itself is culled from various sources including the original press release, Trekmovie.com and The Digital Bits.

Paramount’s seven disc Star Trek: The Original Motion Picture Collection includes the first six films, which have been digitally re-mastered in high definition. All the new Blu-ray transfers are based on the original theatrical releases. With the exception of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, the previously released first DVD versions of each film were the theatrical versions followed by a second special edition. However, for Star Trek: The Motion Picture, there has only been a “Director’s Edition” version released on DVD, but never the theatrical edition. All six films have new 7.1 Dolby TrueHD audio.

Each film has a brand new commentary track from noted experts and Star Trek fans, in addition to commentaries from the previous release (except for Star Trek: The Motion Picture, which only has the new commentary). The set has a total of over fourteen hours of special features, including two and a half hours of all-new material. Each film has a number of brand new special featurettes in HD, plus a “Library Computer” function (Blu-ray’s Java function for additional pop-up trivia and information), and a Star Trek IQ link to BD-Live. The new set contains almost all the extra features from the previous two-disc “director’s editions” or “collector’s edition” of each film, except for the Okuda text commentaries (the new “Library Computer” feature takes their place, which also involves the Okudas). There are also three special features on the Star Trek: The Motion Picture Director’s Edition DVD, that aren’t in the new set since it doesn’t pertain to this cut of the movie.

The collection includes a bonus disc entitled Star Trek: The Captains’ Summit that features a 70-minute exclusive round table discussion hosted by Whoopi Goldberg in which William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Frakes share candid moments and intimate details about life on the set.

As I said, I’m not going to go into too much depth about the movies themselves. These are the theatrical cuts of the movies. My initial plan was to note the differences editorially between these cuts and the previous DVD releases. However, after researching it for a while, I found these changes to be minor but numerous and it would make this review far longer than it needs to be. If you want specific information about the differences I suggest you do further research online. I will give you a SPOILER WARNING in advance now that there are key plot points mentioned in the synopsis of some of the movies. Also, since I believe everyone is very familiar with the actors, I’m not going to list each actor’s name after the character.

In response to the Star Wars phenomenon, Paramount decided to roll out their competing franchise and give us a big screen adventure, simply titled, Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979, Not Rated, 131 minutes, 2.35:1). The story dealt with Kirk reassuming command of the Enterprise, along with Spock, McCoy and the rest of the original cast, to head into space and head off the threat of a mysterious probe named V’ger. Two new crew members, Decker and Ilia came aboard to give Kirk and Spock a little grief, but ultimately, they wind up servicing the plot. While ST: TMP threw around plenty of money, it downplayed the humanity and humor of the original series, leaving us with a technically proficient movie more concerned with effects than story or character.

Shatner took over the director’s chair from Nimoy for Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989, PG, 106 minutes, 2.35:1), and what we are given is a slapped together plot that feels more like Shatner pleasuring his ego instead of telling us a story. On Nimbus III, a planet in the Neutral Zone, a Vulcan prophet, Sybok (Laurence Luckinbill) uses his powers of persuasions to capture Paradise City and three emissaries, a human, a Romulan and a Klingon. The newly commissioned Enterprise NCC-1701-A is dispatched to retrieve the emissaries and barter a peace with Sybok, who turns out to be Spock’s half-brother, for no particular reason. Once they arrive, Kirk and the others are captured and some of them convert to Sybok’s vision. Sybok convinces Kirk to take the Enterprise to an Eden-like world past the Great Barrier. Once there, Sybok confronts his “God” while Kirk, Spock and McCoy question faith directly.

Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991, PG, 113 minutes, 2.35:1) starts with an explosion on the Klingon moon Praxis. Labeled simply “an incident” by the Klingons, it is unexpectedly investigated by the Capt. Sulu and his ship, the Excelsior, when an energy wave threatens to destroy the ship. A couple months later, Spock and other muckety-mucks of Starfleet’s high command determine the Klingon Empire has less than 50 years of longevity, and they assign Kirk and company to rendezvous with the Klingon ambassadors and bring them to Earth. Once they meet up, things go poorly as the Enterprise unwittingly fires on the Klingon ship and two spacesuited and supposed Federation agents beam on board and kill the Klingon chancellor. Kirk and McCoy are at the mercy of an intergalactic council and with war threatening, will the truth be revealed before any hope of peace can be achieved?

Nicholas Meyer returns to the franchise with what is really a great movie outside of a couple annoying things (shapeshifter Iman, Kim Catrall’s pale Saavik imitation, for instance) and the story shares some similarities with the world politics of the time. Meyer says this movie is made in the shadow of Chernobyl, the fall of the Berlin wall and the end of the Cold War. It also serves as an ending to the movies featuring the full original cast, even though some of them still popped up in the Next Generation movies.

Movies: ***/*****


Video:
Note: I am watching these titles using a Marantz VP 11-S1 DLP projector, which has a native resolution of 1080p. I am using a Sony Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player while a Denon 3808CI does the switching and pass through of the video signal. I am utilizing the HDMI capabilities of each piece of equipment.

The Blu-Ray discs are encoded in the MPEG-4 AVC codec at 1080p with a 2.35:1 aspect ratio.

ST: TMP shows its age even through the use of DNR to cut down the grain to almost nothing. The picture looks as slick and space age as the sets and the costumes, making me think I’m watching HD video instead of a film. Grain does resurface in the optical effects, especially at the beginning when the Klingons are exploring the cloud; otherwise, it’s almost non-existent. I hadn’t seen the movie in a few years and I forgot how cold and impersonal the colors, or lack thereof, are, from the drab and white suits to the extensive use of grey’s, tans and pale oranges. It’s a huge palate difference between this picture and the far more lush subsequent films. Once some red is introduced into the picture it is well represented. Flesh tones still look good, if a little pale. Even though DNR has been liberally applied, there is some good detail in the image, especially in the numerous close-ups of the actors. Sharpness is acceptable, as are contrast levels. Print dirt and damage is apparent throughout the movie, and it’s especially present during the pan up of the saucer section of the Enterprise right before they leave space dock. Edge enhancement was very minimal.

ST V:TFF maintains the DNR of the other discs, showing a clean image devoid of most grain and texture. A more subdued color palate still gives us a more interesting visual image, with lush flesh tones and stable colors. Contrast, however, is not as good as the other movies as it came off more of a dark gray, thus making the image somewhat flat. Shadow detail was not very good either. Detail in the more lit scenes is actually very good here and I admired the work put into Sybok’s costumes as well as the details of the bridge of the Enterprise. Sharpness is good as well. The print shows minor print dirt and some edge enhancement.

ST VI: TUC also has the same DNR issues as the other discs, but it’s not quite as bad. Since the color palate shifted after the first film, color fidelity is excellent, rich and bold. The reds are dominant but there is no bleeding. Flesh tones are excellent and you can see subtle differences in the actor’s make-up. Contrast is excellent showing good detail. Sharpness and detail is good and better than the DVD. The print shows minor amounts of print dirt and very little to no edge enhancement.

DNR issues aside, the transfers make the films look quite good, certainly better than the DVD’s. I’ve seen many of the screen caps online and I implore you not to judge this set’s video quality on them. Some of images look far better than in these lousy screen caps.

Video: ***/*****


Audio:
The 7.1 Dolby TrueHD soundtracks were attained by the HDMI connection of the PS3 to the Denon 3808CI. However, I am watching them with only a 5.1 setup.

ST: TMP: English Dolby TrueHD 7.1; French 2.0 Dolby Surround, Spanish Mono

ST V:TFF: English Dolby TrueHD 7.1; French 5.1 Dolby Digital, Spanish Mono

ST VI: TUC: English Dolby TrueHD 7.1; French 5.1 Dolby Digital, Spanish Mono

I watched all three movies with the Dolby TrueHD 7.1 track engaged. I do not have a 7.1 set up so I’m not getting the true and full effect of the sixth and seventh channels. Where the video suffers due to the DNR, these soundtracks have no such issues. Each of them provides an excellent surround field, enough so on ST:TMP that had the video been better I may have used it for a demo piece. In that same film, the wormhole sequence gives the surrounds a workout and plants you right in the middle of the action with sounds seemingly coming above you again. The other two soundtracks match these qualities and each of them has excellent panning effects. LFE’s are very active and are more prevalent in the fifth and sixth discs as they are of more recent vintage. Tonality is excellent and they each exhibit a good dynamic range. ADR is apparent in ST:TMP, but not so much in the other ones.

Audio: ****/*****


Bonus Material:

All three of the movies have the Library Computer (BD Exclusive) option and BD Live: Star Trek I.Q. “The Library Computer is an interactive experience that allows you to access information about people, technology, locations and more at the moment each appears on the film. Switch to Index Mode to scan the entire database and jump directly to points of interest.” This is similar to the Starfleet Access portion of the Original Series discs and provides much more trivia and information for the casual Star Trek viewers. The BD Live feature is a trivia game is where you can “create and share trivia challenges over scenes from the movie.” It allows you to create and post your own trivia challenges and compete with others. You can choose several pre-made questions then it jumps to a video clip and question.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture (Theatrical Release): since it’s the theatrical, none of the DVD features are here.

Commentary by Michael & Denise Okuda, Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens and Daren Dochterman: they provide a lot of good history on the movie itself and not so much of the history of the show and the time leading up to the movie. The Okudas provide a ton of trivia on the movie, characters, story, production and more. There are some long pauses in between the dialogues, but its well worth the listen.

The Longest Trek: Writing the Motion Picture (10:44) (HD): Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, Walter Koenig, Associate Producer Jon Povill and Screenwriter Harold Livingston discuss what a long an arduous process it was to get the movie to the screen. When you hear some of these stories, it makes more sense why the movie has the problems it does. The participants explain the various versions of the scripts and there is some conceptual artwork. I would have liked to have more information on the actual shoot, release and reaction, and it seems kind of stunted without it.

The Star Trek Universe (HD): this is comprised of two different parts. The first is Special Star Trek Reunion (9:37) in which several extras get together to reminisce about there time on-set. The second part is Starfleet Academy SciSec Brief 001: Mystery Behind V’Ger, a female Starfleet officer explains the voyage V’Ger went through. It’s basically a nothing piece since we know all of this from the movie.

Deleted Scenes (8:02) (SD): there are eleven of them

This disc is rounded out with Storyboards (three different sets, Vulcan, Enterprise Departure and V’Ger Revealed), the Theatrical and Teaser Trailers (HD), and seven TV Spots (3:39) (SD) covering different aspects of the story.


Star Trek V: The Final Frontier: everything from the 2002 Collector’s Edition SD-DVD is here except the text commentary. The first group of items is new to this edition and in HD.

Commentary by Michael & Denise Okuda and Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens and Daren Dochterman: the four participants really delve into the trivia of the movie, not really commenting on the plot too much. They’re also forthcoming with the problems the picture had and discuss many of them.

Star Trek Honors NASA (9:56): Col. Terry Virts, who works at NASA in communications, as well as other scenic artists discuss the real world impact Star Trek has had on today’s scientists and artists. They also discuss more of the science of this movie.

Starfleet Academy SciSec Brief 005: Nimbus III (3:01) has a Starfleet representative telling us about Nimbus III, similar to the ones on the other discs.

Two Theatrical Trailers.


The following item were ported over from the 2002 SD-DVD Director’s Edition and they’re all in SD.

Commentary by William Shatner and Liz Shatner.

Harve Bennett’s Pitch to the Sales Team (1:42): Bennett appeals to the sales team to help promote the picture. Bennett throws around some Vulcan salute trivia before talking up his picture.

The Journey: A Behind-the-Scenes Documentary (28:55): at times, this is a strikingly candid piece about the production of a movie jokingly called “Bill’s Turn”. Executive Producers Harve Bennett and Ralph Winter, Shatner and others discuss the production, story and what everyone wanted out of the picture. The science behind the story and the effects are discussed and the story of the Rockman.

Makeup Tests (9:43): test footage of the made-up aliens and creatures to get an idea of how they will look on screen. Also included are other test shots of the more human characters and gods.

Pre-Visualization Models (1:40): pretty much the same as above, but this time with the models. Action figures always come in handy!

Rockman in the Raw (5:37): this is the raw footage of the test shots of the horribly expensive yet unconvincing and ultimately abandoned Rockman.

Star Trek V press conference (13:43): conducted in December of 1988 when production wrapped. Winter introduces the piece then we see the footage of the cast being interviewed in costume on the bridge set. Shatner toasts the cast and crew, then he and Bennett field questions.

The next part of the legacy material is under the heading The Star Trek Universe. First up is Herman Zimmerman: A Tribute (19:08) to the production designer who worked on this film and other versions of the property; next is an Original Interview with William Shatner (14:31): as he discusses the movie with a mountainous backdrop behind him. Cosmic Thoughts (13:05) is a piece about the philosophical and theological aspects of our universe and Star Trek stories linking the two. That Klingon Couple (13:00) spotlights two of the actors who played Klingons; A Green Future? (9:24) explains why Yosemite was used and the importance of going green. Finally, there is Hollywood Walk of Fame: James Doohan (3:10) video footage of Doohan getting his star.

There are four Deleted Scenes (4:05), a Production Gallery of on location stills, Storyboards, and seven TV Spots.

Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country: everything from the 2002 Collector’s Edition SD-DVD is here except the text commentary. The first group of items is new to this edition and in HD.

Commentary by Larry Nemecek and Ira Steven Behr: these guys look at the picture more from a fanboy perspective since they had nothing to do with the movie itself. They reminisce about who they had met and worked with on the TV shows.

Tom Morga: Alien Stuntman (4:59): Morga has been a stand in for Nimoy and been in most of the movies and TV shows as a stuntman or alien extra, and he finally gets recognized here.

To Be Or Not To Be: Klingons and Shakespeare (23:03): So, there’s a troupe who does “Hamlet”… as Klingons. I really can’t think of anything more to say about it.

Starfleet Academy SciSec Briefing 006: Praxis (2:35): another Starfleet propaganda piece.

Teaser and Theatrical Trailers.


The following item were ported over from the 2002 SD-DVD Collector’s Edition and they’re all in SD.

Commentary by director Nicholas Meyer and screenwriter Denny Martin Flinn.

The Perils of Peacemaking (26:33): Meyer, Nimoy and others discuss politics in the 23rd century and how the Federation responds to it. They explain how the events of the time, the fall of the Berlin Wall, Chernobyl and the shifting political philosophies, influenced this movie. While it started out fairly interesting, it got dry quick.

Stories from Star Trek VI (57:09): this piece is split up into six separate parts, It Started with a Story, Prejudice, Director Nicholas Meyer, Shakespeare & General Chang, Bring it to Life and Farewell & Goodbye. They can be played separately or together. Again, we get a recap of the history of the show and its theatrical history then there is some information on the original idea of doing the origin story of Kirk and Spock. This is kind of interesting in light of the 2009 movie. We then move into the story and its revisions, the racial theme and the actor’s response to it, Meyer’s issues during production and how he held it all together. Plummer chimes in about his role, Meyer and the cast in the next piece, followed by the history of the blue food and why Meyer is a liar. The shoot itself then takes the spotlight, including inherent problems in the locations. Another small piece talks to the musical composer and his excitement over the finale of the movie and the series with this cast. Finally, the cast, Meyer and others discuss the closing of the movie and the series and some sweet final words about Gene Rodenberry from Shatner.

The next big set of docs comes under the heading The Star Trek Universe. Starting with Conversations with Nicholas Meyer (9:31), a brief piece on Meyer’s thoughts on moviemaking, art, actors, dealing with Shatner and more. Klingons: Conjuring the Legend (20:45) discusses the Klingons and how they evolved over the course of the TV shows and the movies via changes in makeup, clothing and attitude. Federation Operatives (4:53) is a piece about actors who have been in different movies and TV shows as different characters. Penny’s Toy Box (6:05) introduces us to the Star Trek archivist at Paramount and some of the props, and Together Again (4:56) has Plummer and Shatner discussing each other and their careers.

A Production Gallery of on-set stills is here along with Storyboards, original cast interviews, a DeForest Kelley Tribute and a 1991 Convention Presentation by Nicholas Meyer.


Bonus Disc:

Star Trek: The Captains’ Summit (1:11:12) (HD): Shatner, Nimoy, Jonathan Frakes and Patrick Stewart partake in a very loose roundtable discussion hosted by Whoopi Goldberg. It’s really a fun time with these guys as everyone is very loose and energetic, ripping on each other, their respective series and characters. All of them poke fun at Star Trek conventions and fans and it’s interesting to hear just how big and rabid fandom can be. This summit is well worth the viewing!

Bonus Material: *****/*****


Conclusions:
While Paramount has gone all out with the extras and the audio on this set, they really missed the mark in the video by applying too much DNR. Had that not been the case, this set would come highly recommended, yet I still recommend it for the wealth of information on it and video that still looks pretty good even with the DNR issues.

Special thanks to Matt Hough for the assist, and Mac Mclean and Scott Neumyer for putting up with me!

Gear mentioned in this thread:

Star Trek: Original Motion Picture Collection (The Motion Picture / The Wrath of Kahn / The Search for Spock / The Voyage Home / The Final Frontier / The ... Captains Summit Bonus Disc) [Blu-ray]
Star Trek: Motion Picture Trilogy [Blu-ray]
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Ok forget the screencaps for a moment here. Lets all pretend they don't match them in motion (sic).


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Originally Posted by PatWahlquist
While Paramount has gone all out with the extras and the audio on this set, they really missed the mark in the video by applying too much DNR. Had that not been the case, this set would come highly recommended, yet I still recommend it for the wealth of information on it and video that still looks pretty good even with the DNR issues.




Please explain this excuse. Of which we are all familiar. Are you one of the HIGH DEFINITION reviewers that use "better than DVD" rule to rate PQ?

Is this how far the format's expectation has fallen that some are just willing to accept mediocrity?

No spin answer please.




Keep the grain, save the Vision™
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It pains me to hear that the audio and extras are exceptional, but the video is mediocre on most of the films. I may just import the UK single release of Wrath of Khan or purchase the trilogy if the price is right. Thanks, Patt.
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Originally Posted by Xylon
Ok forget the screencaps for a moment here. Lets all pretend they don't match them in motion (sic).

Please explain this excuse. Of which we are all familiar. Are you one of the HIGH DEFINITION reviewers that use "better than DVD" rule to rate PQ?

Is this how far the format's expectation has fallen that some are just willing to accept mediocrity?

No spin answer please.

Keep the grain, save the Vision™

I'm not sure I'm getting your position on the screen caps line...

I called the video, in the end, "pretty good". Not exceptional, excellent, or any other highly positive words. I rated it 3/5. It has its issues and I've detailed that in the video portion of the review. The image, besides the DNR issues, does look pretty good, certainly better than the DVD's, but I did not rate them on that criterial alone. The colors are better, it is sharper and detail is better. Grain alone does not an image make and while it was a big component missing here, the image still looks pretty good. I could not put a "Recommended" on the set because of the video issues.

Paramount is very aware of the issues with this set. I've spoken to my reps who send me the discs and they know everyones thoughts and opinions on the DNR. Paramount botched one major component of this set in tampering with the image, but the rest of the set is exceptional, great audio and great extras. Some people can live with the DNR in exchange for the quality of the rest of the set.

Alex, my suggestion to you is to keep up your fight to make your voice heard regarding the issues with this set and its video quality. If you are this upset about it DON'T BUY IT. Further, email and write a letter to Paramount expressing your dismay with how they handled this release. I know for a fact these emails and letters make it to the people responsible for putting these things out.
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Thanks for the review Pat. It is a fair assessment of this release.

The set has its issues but it is the best these have ever looked in my home theatre. The price the set is going for makes it pretty much a no brainer for people that don't own the DVD's at least and likely for others to upgrade to as well.

Maybe Paramount will go a little easier on the DNR for the next releases but we'll have to wait and see.
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Originally Posted by PatWahlquist
With the exception of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, the previously released first DVD versions of each film were the theatrical versions followed by a second special edition. However, for Star Trek: The Motion Picture, there has only been a “Director’s Edition” version released on DVD, but never the theatrical edition.

Actually, ST 6 has never been previously issued in it's theatrical version on home video (VHS, laserdisc or DVD). The BD is the first time we see this version since the theaters. Now, the movie was further altered between the original DVD release and the Special Edition, but the original DVD was by no means the theatrical cut.

And, I thought that both 4 and 5 were the same movie in both the original DVD and the Special Editions - both staying in their theatrical cuts in both editions.
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I first said I was going to buy this set, then waffled and said "no way!" when I saw the screen grabs, but after some Reward Zone coupons and selling my original ST movies on DVD, I was able to buy the only 7 disc set in town for $45.

Besides the step up in audio and (gulp) video, this was the only chance for me to have the original theatrical versions of the movies, which I much prefer to the extended/director's cuts.

I agree the audio was excellent and the video was pretty good, but far from reference quality. My advice to the naysayers is to rent the discs and watch them before passing judgment. I was premature in doing so and am eating a little crow for it.

All in all, this is a good set and I'm happy to have it.
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I'll be getting these for the theatrical cuts (I have the DC of TMP and the SE/CE of the others). As I prefer the DC of TMP over the original--but don't have a preference either way for any other alternate cuts like TWOK or TUC--I foresee one double-dip in the future on BD (DC of TMP). I'll hold onto my SD DVDs for "completeness", though.
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I've rented and watched the first three movies. While Khan is very good and film-like, the first and third movie look very digital. Faces take on a very waxy, pasty look. There is NO fine detail in these movies even if they are more detailed than the 480i DVD. To rub salt on the wound, there are a few moments on III where some scenes briefly have no DNR and you can just see how much better these can look with grain and more detail intact. In addition, I felt the contrast was boosted too high. I personally cannot recommend buying these and I have a letter typed to Paramount which will be going into the mail tomorrow.

In case you're interested, I'm watching these on an ISF'd 60" SXRD A3000 from 8 feet back at 1080p/24 (Panasonic BD35) in dark room.
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Got to watch UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY last night and I was shocked! Based on some of the reviews i've been reading on the net, I expected this to be a worn-looking, DNR mess, instead I was treated to a lively picture, full of accurate colors and very sharp.

No it doesn't look like a modern film and it doesn't look perfect, it does look pretty good for a film it's age.

So cool to hear the soundtrack in lossless. While the explosions and the other bombast came through with punch, the clarity wasn't the greatest, however I was able to pick out fine detail in the background sounds that had previously been masked with lossy audio.
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You mean those guys are exaggerating it all?
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Well this is just great. Why leave out the film grain? I thought that was part of the film's character.

When CD's came out there were a lot of releases of CD's from analog masters (which is perfectly alright yet for some reason some people thought otherwise) where the transfer engineer would either prematurely fade out the ending of the song to avoid hearing tape hiss or they would apply some type of stupid single ended NR to filter out the hiss. All those measures ever accomplished was very bad authored CD's.

I never occurred to me that we would have to worry about the video equivalent with BD releases.

This is insane.
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I thought I'd bump this thread in the event there is any new news for the Director's Cuts of these 6 films.

 

I suppose we might have to wait till 2011 or 2012 and the next Trek film for Paramount to issue new blu rays of the first 6 films with proper remasters, less DNR and the Director's version of Star Trek The Motion Picture via branching. I was just hoping it would be sooner then later! 

 

What I have been wondering is why the kind of money that was spent on the James Bond remasters which look wonderful, have not been done to the Star Trek films. One reason I understand was simply to get the first 6 movies out in time for the JJ Abrams film release. So they did the minimum to get them out ASAP.

 

The suspicion I have, and I have nothing to base that on and I am not sure I believe this, is they didn't feel it was warrented to invest in the kind of restoration Lowry did for the Bond franchise is for fear the numbers of sales are not there to justify the cost. Us Trek fans are a big group, but I know they really were counting on the Abrams film to break out of that threshold and reach the mainstream like Star Wars has or the Bond Franchise has. (I persoanlly think the Abrams movie was good, had some good moments, but sacraficed some areas in order to dumb it down and reach that mass audience. )

 

CBS was mindful enough to respect the history and influence Star Trek The Original Series has, so they invested in a proper restoration and conversion to HD. I'm so glad it's been essentially archived for the future! I can see the film series may not be held to that level of esteem by Paramount. Though I'm sure that there are those at Paramount feel the Star Trek film series is as important as any other in the history of the studio, but in terms of potential sales as a blu ray, it may not be as high on the list of getting out there.

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No news that I'm aware of, except...

 

If you visit the website for King Media Services (the company that produced the new HD behind the scenes features), you'll see an entry listed on their "In Development" page:

 

http://www.kingmediaservices.com/In_Development.html

 

“Star Trek Motion Pictures: Beyond the Final Frontier” will be the very first complete history of the “Star Trek” film franchise. 

What began as a wild gamble to revive Paramount Studios’ long forgotten TV show back in 1979, “Star Trek The Motion Picture” turned into an unexpected success and launched a mega film franchise.  11 films and 30 years later,  the celebrated “Star Trek” film series is still going strong, exploding back into Sci Fi stardom following the success of the new film from J.J. Abrams.  “Star Trek Motion Pictures: Beyond the Final Frontier”, will examine the triumphs, controversies and groundbreaking influence of the entire “Star Trek” Film Collection.  

 

I have no idea if this is to be included in a future Blu-Ray collection, released as a standalone documentary, or even broadcast on TV. But it's something.

And it's a shame Paramount won't spring for someone like Robert Meyer Burnett or Charlie Lauzirika to give these films the Alien Anthology treatment. I once asked RMB about this and he said it would be impossible, though if I read between the lines correctly, it all has to do with $$$.

 

But in other Star Trek news, next month Film Score Monthly will be releasing a 14-disc boxset of Ron Jones' scores for Star Trek: TNG - 40 episodes (The Best of Both Worlds couldn't be included) and two videogames. It'll be limited to 5000 copies and sell for $149.99. 

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Thanks for that link Scott. That is interesting to see. I hope it's an indication of things to come.

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The trouble with buying the blu-rays are what you have to give up. You have the director's cut of ST:TMP and ST II. If I had known ST VI was the theatrical cut, I never would  have bought it. I will definetely be waiting as well for the director's cuts on these films. There will be no studio produced documentary will ever tell the truth about what happened on ST:TMP. It was basically a war between Roddenberry and Liingston.


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The other aspect of the Blu-ray iterations of these movies that I hate is the omission of the excellent Okuda Trivia tracks.  These BDs cannot be considered "definitive" Star Trek movie releases without those tracks.  The interactive Library Computer entries are sort of cool ... but the Okuda tracks should have been included as well.  Hopefully they'll be restored when the time comes to re-issue these movies.

 

   

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I for one am glad the theatrical versions of these movies have been released on blu-ray, to me they are a valuable souvenir of the original cinema presentation, a true collector's item. In the future the directors cuts will supplant the originals and they may no longer exist in their original form so as a trekkie from way back I'm glad to have 'em.

 

Oh and I may be the only person here who prefers the original 1979 ST-TMP to the re-edited director's cut, which was interesting but I'll stick with the film I saw at the cinema and countless times on video and dvd.

post #19 of 31

I prefer the theatrical also. The director's cut has a good flow due to the edits, but I was not happy with the sound effects and CGI.
 

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I for one am glad the theatrical versions of these movies have been released on blu-ray, to me they are a valuable souvenir of the original cinema presentation, a true collector's item. In the future the directors cuts will supplant the originals and they may no longer exist in their original form so as a trekkie from way back I'm glad to have 'em.

 

Oh and I may be the only person here who prefers the original 1979 ST-TMP to the re-edited director's cut, which was interesting but I'll stick with the film I saw at the cinema and countless times on video and dvd.



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I agree with you Steve. Theatrical cuts are great to have.

 

But with all the issues people are having with the DNR applied, I hope a future version on Blu would have all the versions of TMP on the disc, original and the TV version and the Directors Cut in a much better transfer. 

 

It would be interesting to see the films without the level of DNR they have now. Honestly though, on my screen, which is 50", I can't see the problem or know what to look for. But if I knew what it looked like without the level of DNR applied, then I could probably see the difference. What I can see now are some shots where Nimoy's face looks blotchy. Like parts have less make-up then others. Hair detail is very clear. What is amazing is the TOS blu-rays look better. Make-up is clear and the seams on Nimoy's ears are plain to see as are pores and lines on the faces. I'll have to see if I can see that on TMP!

 

But it makes me wonder when people say so much DNR was applied, faces look plastic-y, or had a thick layer of make-up applied. Maybe that's what I see on Nimoy. I'll have another look because I look for pores and lines on faces. 

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I liked the look of the ST-TMP blu-ray, if it was swirling with grain I would have looked up and yelled like a Klingon.

 

Jeff, I didn't like the new sound effects either, and I preferred the original Golden Gate bridge shuttle flyby and matte painting.

 

And even though Vulcan has no moons I still prefer the original mattes to the new ones, maybe I'm just too nostalgic and stuck in the past.

post #22 of 31

Just a few random thoughts about the future of the Trek films on Blu-Ray:

 

-It would be nice if they included the alternate cuts for TMP, II, and VI on a future Blu-Ray release... II and VI maybe but I'd be surprised if they paid to enhance TMP again... they could present all three cuts via seamless branching

 

-And on that note, maybe I'm just being a cynic but I believe pigs will fly before they fund a restoration of Star Trek V... I think William Shatner has officially washed his hands of the whole thing (there's a campaign on Facebook to restore the film but they're not exactly making progress)... on the other hand, the lack of participation by a director hasn't stopped people before (Alien 3)

 

-It's a shame that Paramount/CBS doesn't have a full-time Star Trek person on staff to supervise A/V transfers and bonus features for all Star Trek DVDs and Blu-Rays... I think part of the problem is that there is no one person with the clout of, say, Peter Jackson or Ridley Scott to convince the studio to do the right thing... no one person to be a champion, so to speak

 

-To echo one of the posters above, we'll probably never get the full (on the record) story of the making of TMP

 

-I posted a link above which hinted that a new Star Trek making-of documentary was in the works... I have to believe some of the new interviews seen on the Blu-Ray set will be a part of it... you can't tell me they went to the trouble of interviewing Steve Meerson and Peter Krikes (the original writers of Trek IV) only to end up with a 30-second soundbite

 

-And speaking of features, unless someone at the studio takes the initiative, I doubt we'll ever see the rest of the teasers, trailers, TV spots, and deleted scenes ("She's half-Romulan, Jim.") that are currently MIA 

post #23 of 31

Nelson, I think we actually will see a second pass of the Trek movies on Blu-ray when the next JJ Abrams-produced film is released. 

 

I think you're right that Paramount rushed to get them out this time, resulting in the issues people had with this release, and resulting in their inability to do full HD restorations on the movies or to bring Robert Wise's cut of TMP out on Blu-ray.  There was clearly also a monetary issue - and this release was put together as we began to see the depths of the current recession.   The Lowry restorations of the Bond films were done before the economy tanked, and before MGM went belly-up.  (and that's a whole different sad story, given the present situation with the Bond series.  Suffice it to say, we'll have to wait until MGM's bankruptcy matters are concluded, or until they sell their rights to the Bond franchise to someone else - like Fox - before we can see any new Bond films or any more Blu-ray releases of the older ones.)

 

That King Media features piece sounds like a multi-part featurette for the next iteration of the movies on Blu.  They'll have to have something like that to get the fans to want to buy it - along with getting the Wise cut and the longer cuts of II and VI.  I'd also be happy to see the longer cut of II not so blue-shifted as last year's release. 

 

I prefer Robert Wise's cut of TMP.  It moves faster and makes more sense than the theatrical cut.  I agreed with the fixes he made, and I'm glad he lived to see that version released. 

 

You are correct that there will be no "restoration" or any other such work for Star Trek V.   The thing about the work done on ALIEN 3 is that there was a substantial rough cut available - which is really what Charles de Lauzirika used for the Quadrilogy.  There was enough alternate material that he could show you some other concepts from the movie that indicate what was happening before all the reshoots and before the situation truly spiraled into the ground.   In the case of STV, there really isn't a large amount of footage to create an alternate edition.  Shatner had already made nearly all of his big conceptual changes before he started filming.  The one thing that could be corrected is the substandard VFX work from Bran Ferren.  But that wouldn't do anything other than put a band-aid on a much bigger problem.  The basic movie itself is deeply problematic.  The clunky VFX only makes the situation more irritating.

 

And you're right that there isn't anyone these days that really has the clout to do much with Star Trek at Paramount, other than perhaps JJ Abrams.  And I don't know that he's that concerned about it. 

 

A more thorough story of the making of TMP could have been included on the original DVD with Wise's cut.  But Paramount drastically edited it to remove the really unfortunate bits.  I've read many versions of the story from places like William Shatner's book, as well as from the accounts of several of the other players involved.  Possibly the most unfortunate account comes from Joel Engel, whose book is decidedly unsympathetic to Roddenberry.   (I have found it more instructive to put several of the various books and accounts next to each other, and compare notes - between Roddenberry's biography by David Alexander and Joel Engel's attack piece, between the accounts of the various actors in the show, and even including Susan Sackett's account of things that were happening.  Put it all together and you at least have a kind of kaleidoscope view of the elephant, right?)

 

As for the other deleted scenes and spots, I actually think you might see some of these pop up in a future Blu-ray release.  Just as George Lucas is finally dusting off the deleted footage from the Star Wars films for next year's Blu-ray, you could well see some of this footage see the light of day.  But you're right that it will take someone like Van Ling or Charles de Lauzirika to really pull it together.

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A more thorough story of the making of TMP could have been included on the original DVD with Wise's cut.  But Paramount drastically edited it to remove the really unfortunate bits.  


I totally forgot about that. I remember reading about the re-editing on AICN sometime in late 2000/early 2001. At this point, I'd be perfectly happy just to have the un-edited version of that documentary.

 

And there are longer interviews out there. At the Art Directors Guild's "Star Trek: 45 Years of Designing the Future" tribute earlier this year, they showed the entirety of production designer Harold Michelson's interview, which was much longer than the brief soundbites we got on the 2001 DE DVD.

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It will be a long tough wait until the likely May 2012 release of the extended/Director's cuts, but it would be far worse if we never get them on Blu.

 

It would be great if we got some kind of confirmation that they intend to do right by these movies even if they don't give a specific date. The icing on the cake would be deleted scenes sections for 2, 3 ,4 & 6. I've had the scripts for these movies since back in the day and there are lots of cuts that WERE filmed. Almost all of the cut scenes were on standing sets and/or are portions of existing scenes---so there is no reason they would have been axed before filming as directors like to have various choices in case other scenes do not pan out.

 

From the amount cut from the scripts, I'd estimate 12-15 minutes from 2, 3, & 6 and maybe 5 minutes from part 4. I really hope they get someone into the vault soon so they'll have it sorted by the time of the release.

 

Hey, it would my 7th or 8th purchase of these movies and i think it would be great if we finally got a definitive set with seamless branching and full extras like deleted scenes!

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-I posted a link above which hinted that a new Star Trek making-of documentary was in the works... I have to believe some of the new interviews seen on the Blu-Ray set will be a part of it... you can't tell me they went to the trouble of interviewing Steve Meerson and Peter Krikes (the original writers of Trek IV) only to end up with a 30-second soundbite

 

 

There's a promo for whatever this new Trek documentary is on King Media's website: http://gallery.me.com/ipostini1#100216

 

Other than that, I have nothing new to add. 

post #27 of 31
Are the transfers on this set the same as on the individual blu-rays? I have 2, 4, and 6. Amazon is selling this right now for $40 which is a tempting price, even though I already have 3 of the movies. The video review is disappointing, I must admit.
post #28 of 31
I have the box set of all 6 films. IIRC, the set with the 3 films came out at the same time. So I cannot imagine the transfers being any different.

If you care about which version of Star Trek The Motion Picture to get, right now, only the original theatrical version is on blu ray in that box set. I'm hoping that when JJ Abrams next Star Trek film is released , Paramount will finally release the Robert Wise Director's cut of Star Trek TMP on BD. I'd rather it come out much sooner though! smile.gif
post #29 of 31

I expect that when the next Abrams Star Trek movie comes out, you'll indeed see the Robert Wise cut out on Blu-ray, along with Nicholas Meyer's longer cut of Wrath of Khan.

 

If they're spending that kind of money on TNG to upgrade 178 episodes, they can easily take care of those two movies.

post #30 of 31
I think I'm going to wait.
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