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The Cheyenne Show on Encore Westerns Question

post #1 of 37
5/17/09 at 1:10pm
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I have been following the Cheyenne Show on Encore Westerns. They keep skipping past the episode entitled "A Man Called Ragan" and I was wondering if anyone knows why. I sent them an email, and they state that they read emails, but don't respond to them. I would just like to find out if they will be showing this particular episode in the future.
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post #2 of 37
5/17/09 at 4:46pm

Re: The Cheyenne Show on Encore Westerns Question

While "A Man Called Regan" (4/23/62) originally aired as part of "The Cheyenne Show," the episode didn't actually have Clint Walker in it. It was rather a pilot for a series that started the following season, "The Dakotas." As Encore Westerns hasn't yet aired the "Bronco" and "Sugarfoot" segments of "The Cheyenne Show," it's not surprising that they don't air this episode either.

"The Dakotas" replaced Cheyenne. "The Cheyenne Show" aired its last episode in December 1962. "The Dakotas" started in January 1963, the same night and slot Cheyenne used to have and ran for the rest of the 1962-63 season, after which it was cancelled. It was also produced by Warner Bros.
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post #3 of 37
5/17/09 at 5:39pm

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It very well might not be in the syndication package.
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post #4 of 37
5/17/09 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by jdee28
While "A Man Called Regan" (4/23/62) originally aired as part of "The Cheyenne Show," the episode didn't actually have Clint Walker in it. It was rather a pilot for a series that started the following season, "The Dakotas." As Encore Westerns hasn't yet aired the "Bronco" and "Sugarfoot" segments of "The Cheyenne Show," it's not surprising that they don't air this episode either.

"The Dakotas" replaced Cheyenne. "The Cheyenne Show" aired its last episode in December 1962. "The Dakotas" started in January 1963, the same night and slot Cheyenne used to have and ran for the rest of the 1962-63 season, after which it was cancelled. It was also produced by Warner Bros.


Thanks for the explanation, John. So, if I want to see the episode, "A Man Called Ragan", I will have to wait until "The Dakotas" is broadcast?
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post #5 of 37
5/17/09 at 9:13pm

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Probably, or until they start showing the non-Clint Walker episodes of "The Cheyenne Show." But I'm not sure we'll see "The Dakotas" broadcast; it's a pretty obscure show, lasting for 19 episodes, in addition to the pilot episode. We're more likely to see "Sugarfoot" or "Bronco." Has anyone heard as to whether or not Encore Westerns will start airing one of those two?
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post #6 of 37
5/18/09 at 12:11am

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Don't know about those two or 'Colt 45.' but I had heard they were going to run 'Lawman'.
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post #7 of 37
5/18/09 at 5:23am
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Originally Posted by Neil Brock
It very well might not be in the syndication package.

Unfortunately, that appears to be the case.

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Originally Posted by jdee28
Probably, or until they start showing the non-Clint Walker episodes of "The Cheyenne Show." But I'm not sure we'll see "The Dakotas" broadcast; it's a pretty obscure show, lasting for 19 episodes, in addition to the pilot episode. We're more likely to see "Sugarfoot" or "Bronco." Has anyone heard as to whether or not Encore Westerns will start airing one of those two?

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Originally Posted by silverking
Don't know about those two or 'Colt 45.' but I had heard they were going to run 'Lawman'.

I believe it was the same announcement that said Cheyenne, Maverick and Lawman would be coming to Encore Westerns. I also believe that Sugarfoot, at one time, was running on American Life Network (which I don't get). I'm not sure about Bronco. I wish Bronco and Sugarfoot, (along with The Dakotas), would come to a network like Encore Westerns, but I haven't heard anything about that.
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post #8 of 37
5/18/09 at 8:31am

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When American Life made their big purchase of Warner shows a few years ago, all of the shows were remastered, including ones they didn't purchase like The Alaskans. They were rumored to be picking up Colt 45 but I don't believe it ever happened. Not sure why. But Lawman is the only thing that's coming to Encore for sure out of those shows. But I would love to see The Dakotas get aired again. Obviously it won't be a DVD candidate as Warner hasn't even put out Maverick, which is the most popular western they have.
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post #9 of 37
5/18/09 at 5:35pm

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It is debatable,if Maverick was Warner's most popular Western they ever had.
After all,CHEYENNE won The Golden Globe Award fot the best tv show/popular for 1958.
I don't believe Maverick won any such awards.
CHEYENNE ran for about 7-8 years,while Maverick ran for 5 Seasons.
CHEYENNE is the only show from the classic tv series from 1955-1963 which has the complete first Season onto dvd.
In my humble opinion,I believe CHEYENNE was the most popular show,during their heydays.
But,what do I know,I'm just a Babyboomer.
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post #10 of 37
5/18/09 at 6:27pm

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If memory serves, I believe The Virginian was included in that announcement from Encore. The other Warners shows, Sugarfoot and Bronco, were not part of the package as publicized. Lawman was mentioned. The Virginian was a Universal show when it aired, so it's kind of one that doesn't fit. But Encore is not necessarily tied to Warner Brothers shows. Actually, Encore did air The Virginian on its Western channel in the 90's, along with several others such as The Rebel, and Wanted Dead or Alive. So it would make sense to be included this time.
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post #11 of 37
5/19/09 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by changa
It is debatable,if Maverick was Warner's most popular Western they ever had.
After all,CHEYENNE won The Golden Globe Award fot the best tv show/popular for 1958.
I don't believe Maverick won any such awards.
CHEYENNE ran for about 7-8 years,while Maverick ran for 5 Seasons.
CHEYENNE is the only show from the classic tv series from 1955-1963 which has the complete first Season onto dvd.
In my humble opinion,I believe CHEYENNE was the most popular show,during their heydays.
But,what do I know,I'm just a Babyboomer.

To me, both Cheyenne and Maverick are outstanding shows. I very much want to see each of the episodes from both shows. I really can't say that I have a favorite.

When Encore Westerns skipped over the Cheyenne episode, "A Man Called Ragan" the first time through, I assumed they had just made an error in the programming of the show, as that had happened before. When they skipped over it next time around I knew I probably wouldn't get to see the episode. I just hope a way can be found to get these shows (as well as the other shows previously mentioned in this thread) out on DVD in a complete and unaltered state.
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post #12 of 37
5/20/09 at 5:56am

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Originally Posted by Tom.W
If memory serves, I believe The Virginian was included in that announcement from Encore. The other Warners shows, Sugarfoot and Bronco, were not part of the package as publicized. Lawman was mentioned. The Virginian was a Universal show when it aired, so it's kind of one that doesn't fit. But Encore is not necessarily tied to Warner Brothers shows. Actually, Encore did air The Virginian on its Western channel in the 90's, along with several others such as The Rebel, and Wanted Dead or Alive. So it would make sense to be included this time.

What we realy need is a National Retro TV Typw channel where these shows get shown. TV Land was such a channel once. I don't understand how the studios can remaster these programs to let them rot in their vaults. Encore splitting off their western channel into a Western TV Channel would be a welcome thing.
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post #13 of 37
5/20/09 at 6:15am

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Originally Posted by Dave Scarpa
What we realy need is a National Retro TV Type channel where these shows get shown. TV Land was such a channel once. I don't understand how the studios can remaster these programs to let them rot in their vaults. Encore splitting off their western channel into a Western TV Channel would be a welcome thing.

Dave, you're right on target with this suggestion. I know it's been mentioned before here but it's worth repeating, imo. Gary and others have posted about this one and the national coverage is the key here, with all of the major satt, cable, & FIOS providers carrying the channel. I have to believe that there's enough of a demographic audience out there to make this fly with enough advertising revenue on a channel such as Dave suggested.
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post #14 of 37
5/20/09 at 11:46pm

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Have they aired the episode of Cheyenne that featured the character of Samantha Crawford, that later appeared on the series Maverick??
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post #15 of 37
5/21/09 at 7:44am

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Originally Posted by bretmaverick2
Have they aired the episode of Cheyenne that featured the character of Samantha Crawford, that later appeared on the series Maverick??

The episode was 'The Dark Rider' , 1st episode of S2, may actually have been made for S1 as it has the S1 opening & closing credits style & theme music. Also is of shorter length.
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post #16 of 37
5/22/09 at 9:01pm

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I checked with a "Cheyenne expert" and the episode in question has never run in any Cheyenne package. It even has a Dakotas opening. Even though it may have run on "The Cheyenne Show", it is not considered an episode of Cheyenne.
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post #17 of 37
5/23/09 at 8:36am

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Perhaps we have imdb to thank for all this, as it lists "A Man Called Ragan" as the 14th episode of Cheyenne's 7th season. That probably should be changed.
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post #18 of 37
5/23/09 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by Neil Brock
I checked with a "Cheyenne expert" and the episode in question has never run in any Cheyenne package. It even has a Dakotas opening. Even though it may have run on "The Cheyenne Show", it is not considered an episode of Cheyenne.

Thank you, Neil, for tracking down this information.

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Originally Posted by jdee28
Perhaps we have imdb to thank for all this, as it lists "A Man Called Ragan" as the 14th episode of Cheyenne's 7th season. That probably should be changed.

My source was epguides.com, which listed the episode, "A Man Called Ragan", as the 14th episode of Season 6 of Cheyenne.
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post #19 of 37
5/23/09 at 11:17pm

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Originally Posted by ChrisALM
My source was epguides.com, which listed the episode, "A Man Called Ragan", as the 14th episode of Season 6 of Cheyenne.

Starting with Season 4, Warner Brothers made 13 episodes of Cheyenne per season. Clint Walker doesn't appear in "A Man Called Ragan" so as others have said it really isn't an episode of Cheyenne.
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post #20 of 37
5/25/09 at 10:49pm

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Was it really cheaper in those days for Warners to do a series with two alternating stars, each doing 13 episodes each, rather that do a show with one star doing a full 26 episodes? Warners did this to both Cheyenne and Maverick. Why? Was it financial or just to put the stars in their place?
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post #21 of 37
5/26/09 at 7:24am

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I may be wrong but I think that BRONCO was brought on board when Clint Walker went out on strike. Jack Kelly probably was brought on because Garner was doing feature films at WB.
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post #22 of 37
5/26/09 at 9:27am

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Originally Posted by jdee28
Was it really cheaper in those days for Warners to do a series with two alternating stars, each doing 13 episodes each, rather that do a show with one star doing a full 26 episodes? Warners did this to both Cheyenne and Maverick. Why? Was it financial or just to put the stars in their place?

Shows produced up to 39 episodes per season back in the day. Maverick got a brother because the show found out soon after production began that they couldn't produce enough episodes with James Garner.
With 2 stars they could film 2 episodes simultaneously. With Cheyenne I believe at one time ABC wanted a full season with Clint Walker but since the episodes took over a week to produce and Clint Walker was in almost every scene, Warners turned them down. It was the same for shows such as Surfside Six and Hawaiian Eye where one star ether would be out of town or appear in just the opening or closing moments of the show. Time was the reason this was done.

Bronco did indeed start when Clint Walker walked out on his contract. The show name was changed from Cheyenne to The Cheyenne Show even though Cheyenne did not appear that season. When Clint Walker came back they kept the name as The Cheyenne Show and alternated between Cheyenne, Sugarfoot, and Bronco. Once Sugarfoot was cancelled, it was just Bronco and Cheyenne, and finally you had the last 13 episodes of Cheyenne after Bronco was cancelled.
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post #23 of 37
5/26/09 at 10:34pm

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Clint Walker went on strike for one year and came back.
As previously mentioned,Bronco was the replacement,but was using the "CHEYENNE-Logo",for about a year.
James Garner went on strike,during his Maverick days,but never came back.
I read somewhere,he also sued WB and won his case against the studio for being underpaid etc.
There were a few people,over the years(Bette Davis etc),who were not happy with WB and rightly so.
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post #24 of 37
7/2/09 at 7:34pm

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Was it really cheaper in those days for Warners to do a series with two alternating stars, each doing 13 episodes each, rather that do a show with one star doing a full 26 episodes? Warners did this to both Cheyenne and Maverick. Why? Was it financial or just to put the stars in their place?

If I remember correctly, this subject was addressed in the book Same Time, Same Station: Creating American Television, 1948-1961, by James L. Baughman. I'll dig it out and see what I can find out. (PS--I highly recommend the book to anyone interested in the history of tv)
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post #25 of 37
12/6/09 at 3:29am
i get the retro  network which is showing the cisco kid  the rifleman wagon train laredo and alias smith and jones
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post #26 of 37
1/31/10 at 11:36am
There is one big difference between Encore showing say Maverick and Cheyenne and TV Land or ALTV showing those shows.  Encore puts everything in with only the commercial "bumpers" still gone.  TV Land was the worst in that they literally butchered the episodes for the sake of getting more commercial time in.  ALTV did much better but still had some lead-in scenes missing from those shows.  When Encore started showing Maverick, all the lead-ins were put in and it was great!!  For a purest like myself, it was like Christmas morning when I saw a lead-in that I did not know even existed.  One of the first season episodes of Maverick, "The Burning Sky" with Jack Kelly had one such lead-in.  Didn't even know that it existed.  Never saw it while it was on ALTV but there it was.  Of course the real beauty is that when I record those episodes, I don't have to edit out those pesky commercials.  Neat.  Personally I feel that someone should come up with a new Satellite channel called Greyscale TV.  A channel that would show only shows from the Black and White era of TV.  Certainly the westerns and the detective shows would be covered as well as the comedies back then.  Has encore shown all of the Clint Walker-containing episodes of Cheyenne?
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post #27 of 37
1/31/10 at 11:40am
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Personally I feel that someone should come up with a new Satellite channel called Greyscale TV.  A channel that would show only shows from the Black and White era of TV.  Certainly the westerns and the detective shows would be covered as well as the comedies back then. 


Charles, I'm with you on that one.  If such a channel ever came into being I'd never need my remote again (except to mute out a commercial or two).  Boy how I wish we had a channel that only showed B&W TV shows. 

Gary "I'd gladly pay a premium for such a channel" O.

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post #28 of 37
1/31/10 at 12:24pm
Yep, me too. I'd gladly pay for such a channel.
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post #29 of 37
1/31/10 at 1:47pm
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Has encore shown all of the Clint Walker-containing episodes of Cheyenne?

Encore has gone through the Cheyenne and Maverick episodes a couple of times now. I started recording both the beginning of last summer. There are around two episodes of each that I seem to be missing. But I'm not sure if it is because I somehow missed them or they were never aired.

It is one great channel and I'm glad I'm fortunate to have it as part of my package.

I also find the THIS channel to be pretty good. From there I've been getting Sea Hunt (uncut), Mister Ed (cut), and Patty Duke (uncut). I've since stopped worrying about Mister Ed and Patty Duke since they are now readily available for purchase (at least the early seasons so far). But you do still have to edit out commercial within the episodes themselves.
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post #30 of 37
1/31/10 at 7:55pm
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Yes, a cable channel devoted to b/w shows or 1950's/60's programming would be great. Originally, Boomerang was showing cartoons from that era, so it doesn't seem far fetched to have a channel dedicated to b/w TV shows of that era as well. I mean there would be far more source material for a b/w channel than what Boomerang ran with.

Encore Action also ran The Green Hornet several years ago, but that was when I only had a VHS recorder. I believe they were uncut. I hope Encore continues to delve into more 50's/60's TV.

TV Land - I gave up on them years ago.

I have not heard of the THIS channel.
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