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post #31 of 51

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Originally Posted by BillyFeldman
I've been ridiculed and called a fool from the beginning for saying this will never be more than the niche that laserdisc was

That's because it's a ridiculous statement. Blu-ray is already far more successful than Laserdisc ever was.

Home Media Magazine just published an article about sales of Blu-ray discs, citing figures from "the latest Nielsen VideoScan charts." More than a quarter of the sales of Quantum of Solace, for example, were on Blu-ray. Yes, QOS is the kind of film that one would expect to sell especially well on Blu-ray, but did any mainstream title ever come anywhere near selling that much on Laserdisc in proportion to VHS?

Blu-ray discs are available not just at specialty shops, but at ordinary retail outlets like Best Buy, Target, and Wal-Mart. Did Wal-Mart ever carry laserdiscs?

Blu-ray still has a long way to go if it's going to supplant DVD (something that I am not even convinced will occur). But it long ago moved from "niche" and into the mainstream, something Laserdisc never did.

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post #32 of 51

Re: HTF BLU-RAY REVIEW: Star Trek: Motion Picture Trilogy

And let us not forget that Blu-ray players can play DVDs;
LD players could not play VHS tapes (obviously).

I suspect as folks replace their DVD players when they die,
they will upgrade to Blu-ray players now that they can be
had for $300...and then start getting Blu-ray discs, particularly
once prices start to fall on the media.

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Originally Posted by cafink
That's because this is a ridiculous statement. Blu-ray is already far more successful than Laserdisc ever was.

Home Media Magazine just published an article about sales of Blu-ray discs, citing figures from "the latest Nielsen VideoScan charts." More than a quarter of the sales of Quantum of Solace, for example, were on Blu-ray. Yes, QOS is the kind of film that one would expect to sell especially well on Blu-ray, but did any mainstream title ever come anywhere near selling that much on Laserdisc in proportion to VHS?

Blu-ray discs are available not just at specialty shops, but at ordinary retail outlets like Best Buy, Target, and Wal-Mart. Did Wal-Mart ever carry laserdiscs?

Blu-ray still has a long way to go if it's going to supplant DVD (something that I am not even convinced will occur). But it long ago moved from the "niche" status that Laserdisc was stuck with and into the mainstream.
post #33 of 51

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Would you consider that sales of under 6000 units on a well-known and well-loved classic catalog title is a good thing? Because that's the reality - and that's why classic titles are so slow in coming. Sorry, but Quantum of Solace isn't going to make Blu-Ray into a winning format, nor is The Dark Knight, nor is the new Star Trek. That's not what made DVD a winning format. I wish it were otherwise, and I hope it IS otherwise, but right now it is not otherwise, no matter how people would like to spin it.
post #34 of 51

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Originally Posted by Mark Walker
And let us not forget that Blu-ray players can play DVDs;
LD players could not play VHS tapes (obviously).

I suspect as folks replace their DVD players when they die,
they will upgrade to Blu-ray players now that they can be
had for $300...and then start getting Blu-ray discs, particularly
once prices start to fall on the media.

Prices falling on the discs is the only chance this format has - and the gluttony of the studios thus far seems to be winning out - and yet, not winning out, not in the scheme of things.
post #35 of 51

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Originally Posted by BillyFeldman
Would you consider that sales of under 6000 units on a well-known and well-loved classic catalog title is a good thing? Because that's the reality - and that's why classic titles are so slow in coming. Sorry, but Quantum of Solace isn't going to make Blu-Ray into a winning format, nor is The Dark Knight, nor is the new Star Trek. That's not what made DVD a winning format. I wish it were otherwise, and I hope it IS otherwise, but right now it is not otherwise, no matter how people would like to spin it.

I'm not trying to "spin" anything. I'm not arguing that Blu-ray is a "winning" format, only that it is, despite your claim to the contrary, already more successful, popular, and financially lucrative than Laserdisc ever was, by just about any metric.
post #36 of 51

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Reading the last few posts, I think I've gone back in time to late 2007.
post #37 of 51

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Originally Posted by BillyFeldman
Prices falling on the discs is the only chance this format has - and the gluttony of the studios thus far seems to be winning out - and yet, not winning out, not in the scheme of things.

I don't think you're right. As was stated many times before, the early DVDs cost even more than a new Blu-Ray now would, so they're already less expensive. You can't compare the prices for BD with DVD now. DVD has been around for a decade, of course those prices are going to be lower.
post #38 of 51

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Originally Posted by TravisR
Reading the last few posts, I think I've gone back in time to late 2007.
Just in case you have, can you PM me in 2007 and tell me not to buy that HD-DVD player and all those discs? Oh, and maybe suggest I cash out my 401K...
post #39 of 51

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Originally Posted by Brian Borst
I don't think you're right. As was stated many times before, the early DVDs cost even more than a new Blu-Ray now would, so they're already less expensive. You can't compare the prices for BD with DVD now. DVD has been around for a decade, of course those prices are going to be lower.

Funny, I began buying DVDs right at the beginning and I just don't recall any that cost above thirty bucks, and even the 29.98 list prices were very few and far between - most were between 19.98 and 24.98 back then with ten to twenty percent discounts from many retailers.

It doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that if the prices don't drop this will never grow - ever. Cannot happen. And how long has Blu-Ray been available? Either the studios will figure it out or they won't. But the lack of classic releases was my real point - without them, you're just pandering to little boys and young men who have to have the latest and greatest. I believe that what brought DVD into the mainstream was the incredible array of titles - both new AND classic. I'm telling you I went shopping and was prepared to spend quite a bit to get wonderful classics on Blu-Ray. I came home with about twenty-five discs. There simply weren't any others I was interested in.
post #40 of 51

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Originally Posted by Tim-H.
Just in case you have, can you PM me in 2007 and tell me not to buy that HD-DVD player and all those discs? Oh, and maybe suggest I cash out my 401K...



Really, the only thing that hasn't changed since 2007 is people living in Fantasyland. That will never change.
post #41 of 51

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Originally Posted by BillyFeldman
Funny, I began buying DVDs right at the beginning and I just don't recall any that cost above thirty bucks, and even the 29.98 list prices were very few and far between...
I wish I shopped in those stores because I know was paying the $30 MSRP alot back then. Some were cheaper (and some- Fox titles and Universal special editions- were more then $30) but $30 was definitely the norm back then.
post #42 of 51

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Originally Posted by BillyFeldman
Funny, I began buying DVDs right at the beginning and I just don't recall any that cost above thirty bucks.

Then your memory is simply lacking. Some studios had better pricing than others, of course, but I recall that standard MSRP for a non-anamorphic, bare-bones Fox DVD, for example, was $35 for quite some time.
post #43 of 51

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Originally Posted by TravisR
Reading the last few posts, I think I've gone back in time to late 2007.

Yawn!
Travis, you speak the truth.
I was wondering what rock some people have been under, to call Blu-ray a failure.
When you speak of catalogue Blu-rays selling less that 6000 units, dont forget to mention the DVDs that sell just as poorly! Doesnt mean DVD is failing either!
post #44 of 51

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Originally Posted by BillyFeldman


Really, the only thing that hasn't changed since 2007 is people living in Fantasyland. That will never change.
Last I checked this was a review thread for Star Trek Trilogy Blu-ray. Not post format war rhetoric. Please continue that discussion elsewhere.
post #45 of 51

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Originally Posted by RickER
Yawn!
Travis, you speak the truth.
I was wondering what rock some people have been under, to call Blu-ray a failure.
When you speak of catalogue Blu-rays selling less that 6000 units, dont forget to mention the DVDs that sell just as poorly! Doesnt mean DVD is failing either!

Well, you see, not only do I not live under a rock, Mr. Yawn, I didn't call Blu-Ray a failure. But since you said I did, since you ascribed those words to me specifically, why don't you just quote the post where I said the word "failure" or, in fact, anything like the word "failure." Oh, and last I read, DVDs are not doing particularly well either right now.

Back to Star Trek. I'm watching the Wrath of Cohen - not the best Blu-Ray I've ever seen (haven't seen that many, though), but it looks many times better than the last DVD.
post #46 of 51

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Originally Posted by BillyFeldman
why don't you just quote the post where I said the word "failure" or, in fact, anything like the word "failure."

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Originally Posted by BillyFeldman
it's an amazing format, but it's failing
post #47 of 51

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LOL!!! I guess that is the end of THAT discussion.
post #48 of 51

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Originally Posted by Gary Seven
LOL!!! I guess that is the end of THAT discussion.

Yep, thanks Carl!

I agree with Troy, we should talk about Trek on Blu-ray.

By the way Billy, i never mentioned your name in my post.
post #49 of 51

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Originally Posted by BillyFeldman
Would you consider that sales of under 6000 units on a well-known and well-loved classic catalog title is a good thing? Because that's the reality - and that's why classic titles are so slow in coming. Sorry, but Quantum of Solace isn't going to make Blu-Ray into a winning format, nor is The Dark Knight, nor is the new Star Trek. That's not what made DVD a winning format. I wish it were otherwise, and I hope it IS otherwise, but right now it is not otherwise, no matter how people would like to spin it.

You also Have to expect alot of the blu ray classic films are already owned by DVD owners. I love Pale Rider, The Guantlet and Casablanca, I own those films on DVD and I'm not in a hurray to upgrade even thou I know they most likely will look better, I just don't have that much disposable incme, but I will buy a New title I want to own and when I buy it it will be on Blu Ray.
post #50 of 51

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Originally Posted by BillyFeldman
Would you consider that sales of under 6000 units on a well-known and well-loved classic catalog title is a good thing? Because that's the reality - and that's why classic titles are so slow in coming.
Pfft. Just two months ago, Pinocchio was the top-selling Blu-ray, double that of the nearest competitor, Transporter 3, and was 15% of total sales for the title, even at a $10 premium. And the topic of this thread--the Star Trek Trilogy--had a Blu-ray release that made up 35% of sales for that title.

So, what, pray tell, is the magical title that sold under 6000 units? And if your "evidence" is from back in 2007, then don't even bother.
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Sorry, but Quantum of Solace isn't going to make Blu-Ray into a winning format, nor is The Dark Knight, nor is the new Star Trek. That's not what made DVD a winning format. I wish it were otherwise, and I hope it IS otherwise, but right now it is not otherwise, no matter how people would like to spin it.
Wow.

You didn't even bother to do a Google search before inserting your foot into your mouth on this one. Or else you would have found this (emphasis mine):
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It is official, The Dark Knight is the fastest selling Blu-ray movie ever. Many have speculated that the movie would push Blu-ray mainstream, similarly to the way The Matrix pushed DVDs mainstream back in 1999. At this rate, Blu-ray players may become the de facto standard for many homes by next year.

According to Yahoo, The Dark Knight managed to sell more than 600,000 units on its first day. This shatters the previous record set by Iron Man, which sold 260,000 on its first day. It took a week for Iron Man to even sell 500,000. The Dark Knight is expected to sell over a million copies over the weekend.
The Matrix managed to sell 780,000 units during its first week back in 1999 on the DVD. This is a good sign because The Dark Knight managed to sell close to what The Matrix sold in one week.
The Dark Knight pushes Blu-ray past DVD sales of The Matrix - TECH.BLORGE.com

So conventional wisdom has the Matrix DVD as the bellwether, and even that title's 1-week take was nearly matched by official sales of Dark Knight in 1 day. So now who's spinning? Are you going to say Nielsen this time?

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Originally Posted by BillyFeldman
Funny, I began buying DVDs right at the beginning and I just don't recall any that cost above thirty bucks, and even the 29.98 list prices were very few and far between - most were between 19.98 and 24.98 back then with ten to twenty percent discounts from many retailers.


Oh, wait, you're serious? Too bad for you many websites archive their history. A quick look at, say, Disney's DVD announcements for 1997-1999 (the first two years of DVD in the US) show every single one of their announcements--catalog and day-and-date--had DVD MSRPs were $30...or higher! Even for studios that had MAP (minimum advertised price, i.e. the lowest they could portray the price), many weren't allowed to sell below $25.
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It doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that if the prices don't drop this will never grow - ever. Cannot happen.
Too bad for this argument that we've had several recent announcements of price drops for both hardware and software. This is, of course, added to the dozens from before.
post #51 of 51

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Good grief, what did I start here?
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