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Understanding Home Audio and Looking for a Receiver That Meets my Needs

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Greetings all. I have a lot of questions; I'm very new to the current state of home audio and am trying to understand how things have changed and what is possible.

So the last time I bought a home audio system was approximately 15 years ago. They were called "Stereos" back then. It had a five CD changer, duel cassette decks, AM/FM radio, a set of RCA (Red/White) ports for accepting input from other devices, and two 14 inch speakers that connected with those annoying little +/- wires that had to be clamped in.

Up until last year, I had been using this as my main audio device. A little Composite switchbox I bought let me change between my various game systems and my PC (audio-only for the latter.) Though I was always interested in having surround sound, I never really found the push I needed to jump on that bandwagon. Until now.

Being that I wanted the highest quality video possible, I bought a new 32" 1080p television about a year ago (Sharp LC32GP3U) and since it has multiple inputs, I began connecting my consoles directly up to it (PS3 and DVR through HDMI, Wii and PS2 though Component.) The stereo now became dedicated to my PC's audio. For the most part, this was all fine.

However, one problem that I've noticed while watching movies is that the audio is completely unbalanced. The sound effects are incredibly loud, and the dialog is way too low. It makes watching movies with someone in the next room a hassle, because if I turn it up loud enough to hear what they're saying, the moment a sound effect happens, I get banging on the walls telling me to turn the television down. I'm tired of holding the remote in my hand and quickly trying to turn the volume up and down to adjust for whatever type of sound is currently active.

Attempting to find a solution on the web, I've found there are settings one can use to normalize the audio. However, they seem to be on Receivers only. I've fiddled around with both, and my television has no option to fix this, nor does my PS3 (which is what I use as my DVD/Blu-Ray device.) So now my hand is forced to finally pick up a new home audio system.

And it seems things have changed from 15 years ago. I've tried to do the research on how things are now, but most sites I've found assume you know something already about how current home audio is. This is what I've managed to gather: Apparently, Stereos are called "Receivers" now? And they don't come with CD players, radio tuners, tape decks, or even speakers. They're just an audio processing unit that interprets the signals from an input and sends them to an output?

Okay, here's what I'm trying to do. Hardware involved:

Television: Sharp LC32GP3U 32" 1080p
Cable (HDMI): High Def Digital Cable DRV
Console (HDMI): Playstation 3
Console (Component): Wii
Console (Component): Playstation 2
Console (Component): PSP-2001
Other (RCA): Computer (Audio only-Video is still sent to PC monitor.)

So if I understand this correctly: I hook up all the devices directly to the Receiver. The Receiver acts as switchbox, whichever device is selected will have it's audio sent to the speakers and it's video sent to the television? Does that mean if I have the HDMI going from the Receiver to the television, it will take the video from the Component Wii and send it through the HDMI to the television? Or will I have to still send each device to the television separately? Do the Receivers do any conversion or will it come out the exact same way it would if it were connected directly to the television?

So basically, all I really need to pick up is a Receiver that has enough inputs to accommodate all the devices, and the speakers to connect to the Receiver?

Now, I'm not really concerned with the loss of a tape deck (haven't used cassettes in over a decade) or a CD player (all the CDs I buy, I just rip to flac anyways so I'll have easier access to them without swapping discs.) Bummed about a loss of an FM tuner, though, but not a biggie.

Are there any Receivers that will play audio files from off a Hard Drive (perhaps connected externally via USB?) I would hate to have to turn on my PS3 or PC whenever I wanted to listen to music; it would be easier to just have a hard drive full of mp3s that can be selected from on the Receiver.

Are there Receivers that allow you to listen to two sources at the same time? Sometimes I'll like to listen to the sound or music from my PC while watching television. It would suck if I had to blank out my television everytime I wanted to listen to something from my computer.

And does it matter if a Receiver can decode certain type of audio if the source can already decode it? Like, I see a lot of Receiver touted as being able to decode DTS-HD MA. But since my PS3 can already decode that, it doesn't matter if the Receiver can or not, right?

So I guess what I'm looking for is a good quality 5.1 Receiver (my bedroom isn't big enough to warrant a 7.1 system) that accepts a minimum of two HDMI ports, minimum or three component ports, and atleast one composite port. Can play from two sources at once, and hopefully play music off a Hard Drive or other external USB device. And it needs to have the normalization function I need to stop the sound effects from being way too loud and the dialog from being way too low (is there an official name for the feature?)

Oh, and I'd need good 5.1 speakers, of course. Is there such a system that does this? And preferably not too expensive, I can't fathom spending upwards to $1,000 on audio. I'm still trying to swallow the idea of spending more than $500 on it.

Anything anyone can recommend that might meet my needs?
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Re: Understanding Home Audio and Looking for a Receiver That Meets my Needs

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Originally Posted by Autolycus

Apparently, Stereos are called "Receivers" now? And they don't come with CD players, radio tuners, tape decks, or even speakers. They're just an audio processing unit that interprets the signals from an input and sends them to an output?
"Stereos" were also called receivers. Receiver basically means there's a radio (am/fm receiver) built in. You can buy pre/pros (pre-amp/processor), and not get the radio. You'd have to buy a separate tuner for the radio. Pre/pros are considered to be higher end than receivers, and their prices reflect that. They've been around in "stereo" systems too.

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
So if I understand this correctly: I hook up all the devices directly to the Receiver. The Receiver acts as switchbox, whichever device is selected will have it's audio sent to the speakers and it's video sent to the television? Does that mean if I have the HDMI going from the Receiver to the television, it will take the video from the Component Wii and send it through the HDMI to the television? Or will I have to still send each device to the television separately? Do the Receivers do any conversion or will it come out the exact same way it would if it were connected directly to the television?
The newer receivers, especially the ones with the features you want, will upconvert the signals, and send them out the HDMI, to the tv.

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
So basically, all I really need to pick up is a Receiver that has enough inputs to accommodate all the devices, and the speakers to connect to the Receiver?
That's right. The trouble is going to be to get a receiver with the features you want, for the price you want. The thing that's making it so expensive is the streaming music from a hard drive (USB device). For that feature, the cheapest receivers I could find, from two of the most recommended brands were:
RX-V3900
and
Onkyo TX-NR906 - 7.1-Channel Home Network Receiver | Model Information | Onkyo USA Home Theater Products
Without the streaming feature, you can get these:
RX-V465BL
and
Onkyo TX-SR607 - 7.2-Channel Home Theater Receiver | Model Information | Onkyo USA Home Theater Products

Speakers are another story altogether.
Some of the cheapest speaker systems I recommend are these:
SVSound - Complete Systems
It has all the speakers including a great subwoofer.
Speakers are the most important part of a system, since they determine what the sound will be like, more than anything else. They should be about 3/4 to 2/3 of the total system's cost, in most cases, to balance well with the quality of the rest of the system.

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
Are there Receivers that allow you to listen to two sources at the same time? Sometimes I'll like to listen to the sound or music from my PC while watching television. It would suck if I had to blank out my television everytime I wanted to listen to something from my computer.
Yes. You can do that. If I use my remote, it won't do that. But if I'm on "Watch TV" with the remote, I can manually push the CD or Radio button, on front of receiver, and listen, while tv plays in background.

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
And does it matter if a Receiver can decode certain type of audio if the source can already decode it? Like, I see a lot of Receiver touted as being able to decode DTS-HD MA. But since my PS3 can already decode that, it doesn't matter if the Receiver can or not, right?
Yes, but that was done mainly for people with older systems already, so they wouldn't have to upgrade right away. Since you're basically starting from scratch, get the one that decodes now, and you'll be more future proof, with the newest technology. Don't buy the older technology. But, that's just my opinion............

BTW.......
A tape deck will still hook up to an A/V receiver.
Once setup, the speakers need to be calibrated. Volume of each speaker can be adjusted, so center speaker can be adjusted to be a little louder. The auto calibration feature in some of the new receivers, does a very good job. But you can still turn up the center a little, if you want to.

Don't spend a couple of thousand on HDtv, ps3, Wii, HD cable, etc., and then get a POS audio system............IMHO.
Good luck!
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Re: Understanding Home Audio and Looking for a Receiver That Meets my Needs

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
Apparently, Stereos are called "Receivers" now?
They were called "receivers" back then also. A "receiver" is a combination of a pre-amplifier, amplifier, and radio tuner. "Stereo" was always a very broad generic term, covering everything from all-in-one mini-systems, to receiver based systems, to separates. People don't use "stereo" as much these days since that implies two-channel sound while the systems available are often 5+ channels. 15 years ago one could buy plain "stereo receivers", surround sound was rather new, "Dolby Pro-logic" surround receivers were state of the art. Now we have "7.1 channel audio-video receivers".

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And they don't come with CD players, radio tuners, tape decks, or even speakers.
15 years ago it was the same. You could buy receivers (which include a radio tuner) separately then too, along with separate source components & speakers. Or you could buy total systems that included all those other things. People always bought separately for higher sound quality systems; you bought all-in-ones to save money or for space savings as the compact mini-shelf systems took up less space.

Tape decks are practically non-existent these days, but you can still get shelf mini-stereo systems with radio/CD player/speakers. They just aren't used for home theater, they are more for something like bedroom usage.

For home theater, you have the choice of buying receiver + separate speaker system, which is the higher cost/quality route, or you can buy all-in one "home theater in a box" (HTiB) solutions. These systems include speakers, and usually a combination receiver/DVD player. Some of the newer systems include a Blu-ray player. The high end of the HTiB solutions (Onkyo, higher end Yamaha) don't have a DVD player, just include a higher quality receiver + speakers.


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They're just an audio processing unit that interprets the signals from an input and sends them to an output?
Receivers do this, they also process video.

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So if I understand this correctly: I hook up all the devices directly to the Receiver. The Receiver acts as switchbox, whichever device is selected will have it's audio sent to the speakers and it's video sent to the television?
Yes.

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Does that mean if I have the HDMI going from the Receiver to the television, it will take the video from the Component Wii and send it through the HDMI to the television? Or will I have to still send each device to the television separately? Do the Receivers do any conversion or will it come out the exact same way it would if it were connected directly to the television?
It depends on the receiver. With cheaper receivers, you have to connect both HDMI & component to the TV. The HDMI sources will be output to the HDMI, component sources to component. You have to switch inputs on the TV also (a decent universal remote can switch both for you automatically). The more expensive receivers with "upconversion" features will convert component sources to HDMI for you. How well they do this vs. the TV varies. Personally I would not use upconversion even if the receiver has it (unless at least the level of say a Onkyo 876), just connect both HDMI/component, and use a universal remote (Logitech Harmony) to make the switching automatic. The receivers that have good upconversion would blow your budget.

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So basically, all I really need to pick up is a Receiver that has enough inputs to accommodate all the devices, and the speakers to connect to the Receiver?

Yes, or a HTiB solution. If you are on a tight < $700 budget I think you are best off with one of these, like the Onkyo HTS-6100. $1k+ go with separate receiver + speakers.

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Are there any Receivers that will play audio files from off a Hard Drive (perhaps connected externally via USB?) I would hate to have to turn on my PS3 or PC whenever I wanted to listen to music

Yes, but probably not in your price range if you need to get speakers also. I'd recommend using your PS3.
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Re: Understanding Home Audio and Looking for a Receiver That Meets my Needs

Thanks for the input, guys. So far, it's looking like the TX-SR607 might be the way to go as far as the Receiver goes. I guess I can live without the Hard Drive/USB support.

I'm guessing the "Audyssey Dynamic Volume" is what's going to give me the normalization I'm looking for?

And this model is one of the ones that'll let me listen to two sources at once? How does the Receiver do that, does it send the television's audio to two speakers and the computer's audio to a different set of two speakers, or does it combine the sound so both sources come from the same speakers?

I notice it's a 7.2 system. I've heard of 7.1 systems before, but not a 7.2 system. What is that extra .1 for?

If I want to only hook up a 5.1 speaker setup, will the system act like it's a 5.1 and distribute the audio correctly, or will I be missing audio that should have come out of those two missing speakers?

Apparently, NewEgg's giving away a free Polk Audio PSW10 Subwoofer with purchase of the TX-SR607. You seem to have a lot of Polk Audio equipment, Ed, do you know how good of a Subwoofer that is?

I checked out the speakers at that SVSound site and I have to admit to being a bit confused at first glance. The $899 package says "5.1 compact surround system with SBS-01 mains and PB10-NSD - Black." With no mention of the center speaker. Though, down at the bottom, it does state "*All 5.1 channel systems include two pair SBS-01 bookshelf speakers, SCS-01 center channel and subwoofer of choice."

But still, $900 for the 5.1 speakers, and yet another $97 for shipping is going to take my total expenditures close to $1500 for Receiver and Speakers. I was hoping to find a cheaper price and maybe free shipping at Amazon or NewEgg or something, but it looks like the only place you can get these are to order them directly from SVSound themselves?

I'm not sure about the speakers, though, I looked up some reviews, and while they said they're great for movies, they don't perform very well for music or in small rooms. My room is only 10 feet by 13 feet, so yeah...

One thing I did notice from reading on that page, and looking at the back of the Receivers is the connectors look like these red/black knobby things. What kind of connectors are those? And are the cables attached to the speakers or do you have to buy them separately as well? My Stereo system used those two little +/- wires that needed to be clamped, and they were permanently attached to the back of the speakers, so this is another little jump in technology I wasn't aware of until now.

Thanks.
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Re: Understanding Home Audio and Looking for a Receiver That Meets my Needs

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
I'm guessing the "Audyssey Dynamic Volume" is what's going to give me the normalization I'm looking for?
Yes. The Audyssey usually does a very good job.

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
And this model is one of the ones that'll let me listen to two sources at once? How does the Receiver do that, does it send the television's audio to two speakers and the computer's audio to a different set of two speakers, or does it combine the sound so both sources come from the same speakers?
I didn't realize you want to LISTEN to both at once. Don't know about that. Never heard of anyone wanting to do that before, except in a Zone 2 type of thing (another room playing at same time). Read the online manual about Zone 2 use, and see if that will work for you.

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
I notice it's a 7.2 system. I've heard of 7.1 systems before, but not a 7.2 system. What is that extra .1 for?
It's to add a second subwoofer if you want. The .1 or .2 is always the sub(s).

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
If I want to only hook up a 5.1 speaker setup, will the system act like it's a 5.1 and distribute the audio correctly, or will I be missing audio that should have come out of those two missing speakers?
The Audyssey auto calibration will detect there's only 5.1 speakers, and setup for that. If you ever add two more speakers, you'll need to run the Audyssey again.

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
You seem to have a lot of Polk Audio equipment, Ed, do you know how good of a Subwoofer that is?
Polk isn't known for their subwoofers. The one they give away is usually their entry level sub, so it's not going to be one of their better ones. My speakers are Polk's top of their line series (LSi). I wouldn't have them, if a friend hadn't give them to me, because I couldn't afford them. The LSi9s are $1000 pr., and the LSiC is $560. They are also 4 ohm, which requires some power to drive them.

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
I'm not sure about the speakers, though, I looked up some reviews, and while they said they're great for movies, they don't perform very well for music or in small rooms. My room is only 10 feet by 13 feet, so yeah...
Speakers are very subjective. What sounds good to one person, doesn't to another. Everyone's ears are different. Most will say to go listen to as many speakers as you can, and choose the ones that sound the best to you. That is good advice too. Hard to tell a lot in stores. They may sound good in the store, and not so good at home. Or vice versa. I recommend SVS because most people into HT already know, that SVS subwoofers are some of the best you can buy. Their speakers have won awards also, and I figure that for the money, you can't beat them. The only way to listen to them though, is to buy them. They have a great return policy, if you don't like them. I, personally, haven't heard of any returns....... Go to Best Buy or any other audio store that may be near, and listen to JBL, Paradigm, Polk Audio, and whatever is there.

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
One thing I did notice from reading on that page, and looking at the back of the Receivers is the connectors look like these red/black knobby things. What kind of connectors are those? And are the cables attached to the speakers or do you have to buy them separately as well? My Stereo system used those two little +/- wires that needed to be clamped, and they were permanently attached to the back of the speakers, so this is another little jump in technology I wasn't aware of until now.
Those are made that way to accept banana plugs. You still can unscrew them a ways, to access a small hole in the screw shaft, where you can insert the wire, and tighten the screw down on the wire. It's just not the spring loaded clips you're probably used to. Some of the cheaper receivers still use the spring loaded clips. I use banana plugs myself.
Have fun!
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Re: Understanding Home Audio and Looking for a Receiver That Meets my Needs

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Originally Posted by Autolycus
I'm guessing the "Audyssey Dynamic Volume" is what's going to give me the normalization I'm looking for?

Yes.

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And this model is one of the ones that'll let me listen to two sources at once? How does the Receiver do that, does it send the television's audio to two speakers and the computer's audio to a different set of two speakers, or does it combine the sound so both sources come from the same speakers?

You can listen to one source while viewing another. Just select the video source first, then switch to an audio-only source, this will leave the video on the video component while the audio switches.

As for truly listening to two sources at once, then you'd have to use the "zone 2" feature and hook up extra speakers for zone 2. This feature was intended for putting speakers in another room, but there's nothing stopping you from putting them in the same room. I personally wouldn't want to have the sounds competing but I suppose you can adjust the volume to emphasize the one you want.

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I notice it's a 7.2 system. I've heard of 7.1 systems before, but not a 7.2 system. What is that extra .1 for?
Some people like to run multiple subwoofers.

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If I want to only hook up a 5.1 speaker setup, will the system act like it's a 5.1 and distribute the audio correctly
Yes. Vast majority of content is only 5.1 anyway.

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But still, $900 for the 5.1 speakers, and yet another $97 for shipping is going to take my total expenditures close to $1500 for Receiver and Speakers. I was hoping to find a cheaper price and maybe free shipping at Amazon or NewEgg or something, but it looks like the only place you can get these are to order them directly from SVSound themselves?

SVSound is an interect direct manufacturer, they don't distribute through anyone else. They have a good reputation, speaker preference tends to be subjective and varies from person to person, so don't put too much stock in any lone review.

If the price for SVS is too much for you to stomach, then you can get something like 4x Energy C-50s and a CC-50 center channel for ~$280 ( wwstereo.com ), and pair it with the Polk subwoofer. It's not going to do deep bass like the SVS (whose sub is like twice the size), only going down to 35hz rather than all the way to 20hz. But it's going to be better than what you are used to and you'll probably be satisfied. It depends on how likely you think you will want to upgrade everything in a short period of time. If going cheaper only means you want to upgrade in 2 years, it's cheaper to get the better system to begin with & not upgrade. If you are immune to upgrade-itis then you can save the money. You could choose to just upgrade the sub for ~$400 later if you are satisfied with the satellites.

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One thing I did notice from reading on that page, and looking at the back of the Receivers is the connectors look like these red/black knobby things. What kind of connectors are those?

Screw-on speaker connectors. Speaker cables usually have to be bought separately, you can get cheap wire from Home Depot.

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My Stereo system used those two little +/- wires that needed to be clamped, and they were permanently attached to the back of the speakers, so this is another little jump in technology I wasn't aware of until now.
No jump in technology, these haven't changed in decades. The only thing different is there are now 7 channels to deal with rather than just 2. Your old system was just a cheapie.
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Re: Understanding Home Audio and Looking for a Receiver That Meets my Needs

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Originally Posted by Ed Moxley
I didn't realize you want to LISTEN to both at once. Don't know about that. Never heard of anyone wanting to do that before, except in a Zone 2 type of thing (another room playing at same time). Read the online manual about Zone 2 use, and see if that will work for you.
Yeah, I'll typically leave the television on in the "background" while on the computer. But I guess the Zone 2 thing will work, and I can just set the television's audio to the second zone while on the computer. Means having an additional set of speakers, though... And for some reason, the Zone 2 connect to the Receiver the "spring clip" way. Hmmm...

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It's to add a second subwoofer if you want. The .1 or .2 is always the sub(s).
Oh, okay. The whole subwoofer thing is new to me. I've head the term before, but I have no clue what they actually do, so I wasn't aware one could have a second one.

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I recommend SVS because most people into HT already know, that SVS subwoofers are some of the best you can buy. Their speakers have won awards also, and I figure that for the money, you can't beat them. The only way to listen to them though, is to buy them. They have a great return policy, if you don't like them. I, personally, haven't heard of any returns.
I have to admit I have been going back to the SVSound site a bit, but my main thing is the price. If they were selling through some place like NewEgg, it would be easier to swallow since I wouldn't have to pay shipping or tax.

But now that I'll have to get two extra speakers for the Zone 2, I may as well get a 7.1 system, and that's $1057. The shipping on that is $115. And because of they have a "nexus" in NY, they have to charge me tax, so that'll be an addition $94. Coming up to a total of $1265, and that's not counting if I wanted stands or wall mounts.

At that price, I could probably afford it if I didn't eat or otherwise spend any money for the next three months, you know?

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Originally Posted by Stephen Tu
It depends on how likely you think you will want to upgrade everything in a short period of time. If going cheaper only means you want to upgrade in 2 years, it's cheaper to get the better system to begin with & not upgrade. If you are immune to upgrade-itis then you can save the money. You could choose to just upgrade the sub for ~$400 later if you are satisfied with the satellites.
For me, I think I'll be buying to last. I can't see myself being an upgrade person when it comes to audio -- after all, I stuck with the same stereo system for 15 years, even though the CD drives stopped working a decade ago, and the LCD display blinked out long before that. Heh.

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Your old system was just a cheapie.
Definitely, compared to today's prices. My system was a Sharp that I got for Christmas as a teenager. Probably cost about $250.
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