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post #31 of 77
6/25/09 at 4:54pm
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Re: OMG! Werewolf: The Series

Got an UPDATE today...

Set has been pushed back about a month. Instead of coming out Sept. 1st it will now come out Oct. 6th.

It also mentions a couple extras (Featurettes) for the set...
- The Man Who was Alamo Joe (With Actor Lance McGault)
- To Build a Better Werewolf (With Special Make UP FX Creators Greg Cannom and Dino Crognale)

And it says we can expect some more special features as well.

Edit to correct release date.
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post #32 of 77
6/26/09 at 7:22pm

Re: OMG! Werewolf: The Series

I'm sure the delay was meant to push it closer to Halloween and get that additional interest. I'm hoping that John York will participate in the extras, as well.
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post #33 of 77
6/27/09 at 7:50am
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Re: OMG! Werewolf: The Series

I was pretty much thinking the same thing. It actually worked out for the better for me as I know I will have a little more money available in October then I will in September.
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post #34 of 77
6/28/09 at 4:01pm

Re: OMG! Werewolf: The Series

Shout Factory has an episode list up now. The good news is that the pilot is listed but don't know about any music omissions. They've got the contents of the first 4 discs and there are supposed to be 5 discs total;
Shout! Factory Store
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post #35 of 77
6/28/09 at 4:53pm
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Good news so far... looks like we will be getting everything... and in the order it aired according to epguides.com

Though I would like to see the contents of disc 5!
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post #36 of 77
7/18/09 at 5:06am
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Shout Factory has an episode list up now. The good news is that the pilot is listed but don't know about any music omissions. They've got the contents of the first 4 discs and there are supposed to be 5 discs total;
Shout! Factory Store

I see they now have the content for Disc 5 there. The rest of the episodes... yes looks like it is everything including the pilot movie all what seems to be in order that it aired. But no more bonuses on Disc 5... so looks like it is only the 2 featurettes.
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post #37 of 77
7/19/09 at 10:09am
Oh, man!  They have to be kidding!  No retrospective documentary on the show?!  Not even a John J. York interview?  That sucks.  I was really hoping Shout would come through on this one.  Oh well, I guess beggars can't be choosy.  At least we will finally get the complete run of the series.  
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post #38 of 77
7/19/09 at 11:05am
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Yeah... I know... I was hoping for more also. But it is definitely better then what we had until now! So I won't get too upset about it.
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post #39 of 77
8/11/09 at 11:43am
Brian Ward just announced on Shout! message boards this title is on hold until probably at least next year due to music issues. 
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post #40 of 77
8/11/09 at 12:02pm
^ At least that means that they're trying to work out the problem rather than just replacing the song(s).
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post #41 of 77
8/11/09 at 2:29pm
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While I understand the reasoning... this still sucks! I was so looking forward to watching this for my Month Long Horror/Holloween Marathon in October.

Oh Well Hopefully next year!
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post #42 of 77
8/11/09 at 3:23pm
One would think they would have obtained all the clearances before announcing the release.

Seems like a bass-ackwards way to conduct business.
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post #43 of 77
8/11/09 at 6:13pm
Awww man......this news really sucks!  This was one of the top DVDs that I wanted to pick up on release date.  Been so long since I saw it....now I have to wait til next year?   They should have taken care of all the issues first!
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post #44 of 77
8/11/09 at 8:00pm


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One would think they would have obtained all the clearances before announcing the release.

Seems like a bass-ackwards way to conduct business.

Wouldn't be atypical for Shout.

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post #45 of 77
8/20/09 at 7:09pm
Man, this sucks.  Why would Shout announce a release date and go to all the trouble of producing this DVD set if they hadn't resolved the music issues?  I would think that would be the first hurdle to overcome when pursuing an 80s TV series without any prearranged home video music rights.
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post #46 of 77
8/20/09 at 7:30pm
 odds are they weren't told ahead that there's no separate music and voice tracks and thought what couldn't get cleared could be replaced. 
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post #47 of 77
9/12/09 at 10:23pm
A fan of the show has just posted the following breaking news on the Yahoo Groups for this show:

In what is probably the worst news I've heard in a while, "Werewolf: The TV Series" will NOT be coming to DVD due to legal battles over some of the music used within the series. Yep. This sucks.

The webmaster of werewolftv.com just sent out the following to the members of the Werewolf Yahoo group:

"A manager has responsibilities that can cover tasks they like and don't like. For example, writing people up and/or firing them is part of their duty to perform and most people do not like that aspect of their role. As webmaster and forum moderator, I too share this burden of responsibility to do things I do not like.

It is with great sadness that I must deliver the devastating news that the Werewolf TV Series will NOT be released to DVD. The Shout Factory has had to abandon the project and give the series back to Sony.

The Shout Factory had to cancel the release because of two artists (which will remain unnamed) that would not play ball. Sony does not have the individual audio tracks, so they were unable to replace the songs, as the audio was mixed together. The two songs were featured over dialogue scenes that could not be cut. The Shout Factory's only option, even after spending a lot of time and money on it, was to cancel it and give the title back to Sony. If Sony had the audio tracks, it would have been easy to replace the two songs.

The Shout Factory and Sony are not at fault. This has happened due to the greediness of the music industry.

So, twenty two years after the Werewolf series hit the airwaves, the fan made copies of the original run and reruns will be the only testament of this great series along with the web site I have put together."

Hey, at least Shout! Factory tried to get the rights to the music, unlike a certain company that claims that they "put classic TV on a pedestal".
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post #48 of 77
9/13/09 at 11:35am
I am not a fan of this show, but for me this again speaks volumes as to how Shout! has the most undeserved reputation for greatness in these kinds of circles.   "At least they tried?"     If they had bothered to do things right they would have researched this issue FROM THE START and not jerked fans of this title around for months on end to give them no advance inkling that this kind of scenario would happen.    But maybe you "Werewolf" fans will now understand why us "Ironside" fans loathe this company, because we were jerked around in a similar fashion regarding the future status of that title.     And it's interesting how in typical Shout! fashion their representative is NOT the first person to break this news on their own site.

And even when they do get a title right, as with "Adam-12" they end up putting out shoddy pressings as I had to discover twice.    When it comes to deciding which company has ultimately done a better job overall, I'd still pick CBS/Paramount in a heartbeat even with the screw-up they did on latter seasons of "The Odd Couple" because they at least balance that out with more titles done right (and COMPLETED) than Shout! will ever lay claim to.
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post #49 of 77
9/13/09 at 11:47am


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  And it's interesting how in typical Shout! fashion their representative is NOT the first person to break this news on their own site.

Who is far more talented than that loser Roy Braverman, the man who was hired as the music director for "The Fugitive" Season 2 Vol. 1. You are under no condition to tell anyone to stop supporting SF. You hear me!

I love it Jack, how you make it out to seem like SF knew this title so well from the very beginning, when they didn't. And I also love it how you act like you know the company so well more than anyone else online. That should tell me all I need to know about you.

And I have every right to say "At least they tried". You are under no condition to force me not to.

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post #50 of 77
9/13/09 at 11:58am

Jack, you've made it completely and repeatedly clear that you HATE Shout Factory but it's not hard to understand why people like them- they release titles that other companies leave sit on the shelf. I think most people will take a company that releases (or, in this case, tried to release) titles over a company that doesn't even make an attempt. Like every company, Shout has made mistakes but I'll put their track record up against any other company and I bet they almost always come out as good or better than any other company out there.

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post #51 of 77
9/13/09 at 1:20pm
You want to watch Ironside, tune into your local RTN station. it's on everyday at 10 a.m. in my neighborhood.

If anyone is to blame for this tease and yank of Werewolf, it's the former folks at Sony who for some unknown reason didn't keep separate versions of the dialogue, music and SFX tracks in the vault. Guess there must have been that plucky MBA learning executive who swore the company could save so much cash in storage by dumping them and just keeping the one master tape.

far as why Shout! didn't put out a press release and this guy scooped them - it's easier for a webmaster to post stuff since he doesn't have to have it approved by other folks at the company and legal.
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post #52 of 77
9/13/09 at 1:25pm


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Who is far more talented than that loser Roy Braverman, the man who was hired as the music director for "The Fugitive" Season 2 Vol. 1. You are under no condition to tell anyone to stop supporting SF. You hear me!
 

No one is "telling you" to do anything.    I merely think the flip side of Shout's track record needs to be noted if there's going to be a constant effort at creating an image of them as a company that I don't think squares with reality, especially when its done in the context of then saying their failings can be excused but let's still rate another company with a track record no better or worse if a true objective yardstick were applied as the epitome of all that is wrong with TV on DVD.     And seeing this news just made me think that it's exactly what I'd expect of the company that set absolute lows for standards of customer relations PR in how they have handled a number of titles.

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post #53 of 77
9/13/09 at 1:28pm
And re: Ironside, I don't need to watch a channel I don't get (and which is not available in most of the country)to see it, I found a better solution, but it's one we're not allowed to talk about. 


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post #54 of 77
9/13/09 at 4:33pm
I remember this show from the 80s and although I was not an avid watcher of it, I did see an episode here or there, so I did follow this thread with some interest. And unfortunately when the music smoke started rising and then the delayed release, I had a feeling this wasn't going to turn out well. 

I wonder how much of the music that couldn't be cleared runs through the series. It's clear that they can't replace the music due to all the audio being on a single track, but my thought was, couldn't they just mute the audio for the scenes in question and just subtitle the dialogue. I know it's not the ideal solution, but quite possibly better than nothing. They could always have put a disclaimer in that due to legal issues some audio in the episode had to be muted, but any dialogue has been subtitled. They did something similar with the "Director's Cut" of Alien 3, where portions where the additional scenes dialogue audio was sketchy, and there was a disclaimer at the start of the film explaining that situation.
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post #55 of 77
9/13/09 at 7:16pm
I still say it's unprofessional to put out a press release trumpeting the release of a product when the company apparently didn't even know whether had all the rights secured for the release.

I've been happy with the Shout releases of Mr. Belvedere, but that's my only experience with them other than this Werewolf debacle.

Apparently it must involve a significant amount of music throughout the series, or they probably could have just redubbed the dialogue (the actors are still alive, yes?).

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post #56 of 77
9/13/09 at 8:34pm

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I still say it's unprofessional to put out a press release trumpeting the release of a product when the company apparently didn't even know whether had all the rights secured for the release.
Well, it's hard to say exactly what might have happened. It's not unheard of for deals to go South at the last minute. The company I work for recently announced a huge acquisition deal. It's been announced and all that, but technically, until the deal is closed sometime next year, anything can happen.

Maybe Shout! had the rights they thought they needed, but then the artist or publisher says "we don't like this deal anymore" and make up anything to invalidate the contract. Whatever claim might be meritless, but it gets lawyers back involved and drags out the process. Then, Shout! decides instead of incurring a whole legal process for an extreme cult show from the 80's decides to bag the whole deal.

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post #57 of 77
9/14/09 at 3:33pm
I love that Shout has been releasing shows that most of mainstream have forgotten about but this incident is a huge black eye for their reputation as far as I'm concerned.  There's really no excuse for a home video company making sure that the music clearance was taken care of before proceeding with anything else.  I'm sure this was a learning experience for them too since they lost a ton of money producing the extras paying the actors and crew for their time.  Such a shame.
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post #58 of 77
9/14/09 at 3:34pm
Frankly, I'd just like to know which 2 "artists" are doing the stonewalling.  I'd boycot 'em in a second... not because I want Werewolf released but because this smacks of greed and a total disrespect of people who put them where they are in the first place.

I don't blame Shout nor Sony in that "reports" are they both tried but lacked sufficient muscle or resources to come through in the end.  Yes, Sony could have kept separate audio masters... BUT did they ever exist?  It may be the original studio/producer(s) that chose to not keep the separate master tracks in the first place.  Yes, Shout could have done more up front research, but they were offered a title by Sony and in good faith started production.  I'm sure that originally both Sony and Shout didn't think there'd be a problem.

Again... who's *really* to blame... The 2 "artists" that would not play ball in an attempt to gouge the masses.
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post #59 of 77
9/14/09 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by BobO'Link View Post

Again... who's *really* to blame... The 2 "artists" that would not play ball in an attempt to gouge the masses.


I tend to think that you're right but to play devil's advocate, you don't know that Shout didn't offer an amount that was nowhere near what they normally get for their music.
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post #60 of 77
9/14/09 at 4:42pm


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No one is "telling you" to do anything.    I merely think the flip side of Shout's track record needs to be noted if there's going to be a constant effort at creating an image of them as a company that I don't think squares with reality, especially when its done in the context of then saying their failings can be excused but let's still rate another company with a track record no better or worse if a true objective yardstick were applied as the epitome of all that is wrong with TV on DVD.     And seeing this news just made me think that it's exactly what I'd expect of the company that set absolute lows for standards of customer relations PR in how they have handled a number of titles.

 

Jack’s not a “hater” of Shout, and neither am I. 
 
In this case, Shout just made a mistake (as, apparently, did Sony) – maybe more than one – and, like anyone else, they are entitled to the occasional mistake. 
 
I have no interest in Werewolf, but am sorry for those who do and share their pain as an Ironside fan. 
 
Shout’s done its share of good things – and I give it props for those things – but I must agree with Jack that their reputation on these boards often seems in excess of the reality. 
 
They did a fine job with McHale’s Navy (to name one title in my collection – a “completed” title, I might add), and they’ve done a poor job with Ironside. 
 
Yet, they remain darlings for transgressions that would forever damn FOX, Warner, and CBS / Paramount. 
 
Little isn’t always good and Big isn’t always bad! They’re all good and they’re all bad in their own ways. That’s all there is to it. And I should be able to say this without being branded a hater of Shout.
 
And, to the two bands/artists that screwed up Werewolf for its fans… So, exactly WHAT does denying this gain you?! Are you going to sell those songs to SOME OTHER old TV show for more? Doesn’t make any sense! 
 
And the names of those two bands/artists SHOULD be made public! We should at least know whom to support… or not support, as the case may be. 
 

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