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A few words about...™ Grease -- in Blu-ray

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In 1972 I spent an evening at the original cast recording session for Grease, and many of the tunes have stayed with me over the intervening decades. This was a great Broadway musical, that six years later, made an superb transition to film.

Here we are, three decades later, after VHS, laser, and DVD, with the the film finally making a high quality debut on home video on Blu-ray, with terrific sounding audio, and an image of high quality, if not occasionally odd looking. Viewing Grease, I was trying to figure out whether the image was processed to remove some grain, or whether it could have been originally as grainless as it appears. Thanks to the all-seeing eye of Blu-ray, it also seems that the optics used on the shoot may not have been of the highest caliber. Numerous shots, possibly taken with zooms, are reasonably sharp in the center of the image, but roll off with aberrations outside of center. Others just seem to be soft enough and lacking detail to look off. Is this processing? I'm not certain.

But that stance may be overlooking a terrific filmed musical, and rather like not seeing the forest for the trees, seeking the insects dining away on the leaves rather than taking in the images of beautiful trees.

While I report these anomalies for the record, it really doesn't damage the presentation, as once you sit back, relax and allow the teen actors -- well, almost -- among the leads, Stockard Channing was 34, John Travolta 24, Didi Conn 27 and Olivia Newton-John 30 -- to take you back to the wonderful '50s where less violent gangs than the sharks and jets made beautiful music.

I can't end this piece without mentioning two actresses who play second leads in the film -- Eve Arden as the principal began her career in film in 1929, while Joan Blondell of the beauty school, began her career in film a year later.

All in all, Grease is a quality Blu-ray, and very close to the one that we've been waiting for, as it far surpasses the standard definition version.

Recommended.

RAH

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Woah! I'm not sure if I simply totally forgot this was coming or simply missed the announcement completely.

Anyway, sounds like one more BD upgrade to look forward to. I thought I'd be more selective about upgrades (and purchases in general) for BD, but so far, I don't seem to be getting w/ my own program. Of course, having a family w/ kids and all does make it tougher to be more selective. I just picked up Twilight (to go w/ Sin City) for instance even though I saw it on rental just last weekend and didn't care much for it, but I've got a daughter entering that tween age phase (and reading them darned books just like every other girl at her age). Maybe I coulda gotten away w/ not buying Twilight (and Mamma Mia -- though that was like just $5 w/out the case, etc.), if I saw Grease coming and coulda maybe, just maybe (but nah...) appease the kids w/ that instead...

Thanks yet again, RAH, for another fine review here...

_Man_
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
But that stance may be overlooking a terrific filmed musical, and rather like not seeing the forest for the trees, seeking the insects dining away on the leaves rather than taking in the images of beautiful trees.
I love this analogy, RAH. Reminds me of the early days of DVDs and overcompressed and oversharpened jpeg images, both of which were sometimes plagued with what was referred to as "mosquito noise." Thankfully, those days are mostly in the past, though you wouldn't know it from some of the complaints we see on various forums.
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RAH,

Thanks for the great review. Your continued presence
at this forum makes this THE place I come
to check reviews of Blu-rays
before I make a final purchasing decision and your
reviews are often the deciding factor
(i.e. no on "Gigi," yes on "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.")

I look forward to seeing your reviews of "Vertigo,"
"Rear Window," "My Fair Lady," and "Lawrence of Arabia."
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Thanks again RAH. I was horrified (yes, horrified) at the state of the Rockin' Rydell DVD, and I'm glad to hear that the BD, while not perfect, makes a better job of it.

I love this film much more than a grown man should, so I wanna see it done right on BD.
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Thanks for the review, Robert.

Does the blu-ray have the original 1978 sound mix, or the messed up remix Paramount has been using since the 1998 re-release? There are numerous changes and mistakes in that mix, both musically and in the dialogue. At one point, the background vocals in You're the One That I Want become completely out of sync. Background vocals are used in Hopelessly Devoted to You that were never in the original. There is some weird percussion in the middle of Summer Nights. Sound Effects and foley are added and turned up too loud during the dance competition. Etc, etc.

As someone that grew up seeing the film in theaters and then repeated on cable and VHS, I can't stand to watch the film with the remixed sound. PLEASE tell me this has been corrected on the blu-ray...
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I just had to chime in here,

Yes,the 1998 remix is horrid but unfortunatley I don't think the original stereo track is included on the blu ray.I can't believe someone involved with the movie hasn't sorted it out or at least made sure the original track is included.

Apart from the horrible added base drums half way through summer nights and all the other sound effects,the music sounds compressed and muted,also the lead vocals sound too upfront and dry whereas the original was pretty dynamic sounding.Who did this crap remix anyway?

I'm gutted that I won't be able to watch Grease in hidef the way it was meant to be heard.
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Did they restore the Coke sign? You'd think the parties would have worked something out by now - that, or spend a little 21st Century effort in fixing up the "dancing mattes."
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Originally Posted by Tucker J
I just had to chime in here,

Yes,the 1998 remix is horrid but unfortunatley I don't think the original stereo track is included on the blu ray.I can't believe someone involved with the movie hasn't sorted it out or at least made sure the original track is included.

Apart from the horrible added base drums half way through summer nights and all the other sound effects,the music sounds compressed and muted,also the lead vocals sound too upfront and dry whereas the original was pretty dynamic sounding.Who did this crap remix anyway?

I'm gutted that I won't be able to watch Grease in hidef the way it was meant to be heard.

Do you know for a fact that only the 98 remix is on the BluRay?
post #10 of 49

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According to every review I read, only the remix is included. Bit of a shame, really.
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Originally Posted by Felix Martinez
Did they restore the Coke sign? You'd think the parties would have worked something out by now - that, or spend a little 21st Century effort in fixing up the "dancing mattes."
The grey boxes are still there.
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Originally Posted by Felix Martinez
Did they restore the Coke sign? You'd think the parties would have worked something out by now - that, or spend a little 21st Century effort in fixing up the "dancing mattes."
Is it correct that the background "Coke Sign" was obscured for the original theatrical run and if done, would be a "restore" from the original shooting?
Edit: i.e. The "Coke sign" wasn't just obscured for home distribution?
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The Coke Sign was covered for the theatrical release due to the fact that Paramount had a promotion going on with Pepsi when the film was released. At the time the diner scene was filmed the promotion was not set and the nostologic Coke menu board fit in with the decor. It more than likely does not matter today what is shown, but I would suppose that the negative was changed, just as the jarring blur is in the title sequence of "Tea For Two", which is covered in another thread here.
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Originally Posted by Brian Borst
According to every review I read, only the remix is included. Bit of a shame, really.

I guess they never heard from several million fans who can't stand that remix!

As for the Coke sign, I recall that the blurring was there in 1980 during Grease's initial HBO tv airings. I also noticed it in a 1992 re-release. Didn't see the movie in original release, but I've seen it about 50 times since--on HBO, on regular networks, in syndication, on old vhs, two theatrical re-releases, two separate dvd releases--and the blurring has always been there.
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Originally Posted by ahollis
The Coke Sign was covered for the theatrical release due to the fact that Paramount had a promotion going on with Pepsi when the film was released. At the time the diner scene was filmed the promotion was not set and the nostologic Coke menu board fit in with the decor. It more than likely does not matter today what is shown, but I would suppose that the negative was changed, just as the jarring blur is in the title sequence of "Tea For Two", which is covered in another thread here.
Actually, the real reasons for the Coke sign being obscured are covered in the article linked in Felix' post. Apparently, Coke executives objected to the raunchy content of the film and did not want their product associated with it. However, it was too late to do reshoots, so holdout mattes were used so characters wouldn't disappear behing the grey boxes.
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I truly don't understand the severe windowboxing of the opening animated credits . Who would possibly have a television with overscan severe enough to require shrinking them so much ? Yet the end credit sequence is NOT windowboxed!
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Originally Posted by Stephen_J_H
Actually, the real reasons for the Coke sign being obscured are covered in the article linked in Felix' post. Apparently, Coke executives objected to the raunchy content of the film and did not want their product associated with it. However, it was too late to do reshoots, so holdout mattes were used so characters wouldn't disappear behing the grey boxes.

Sorry, but it was the Pepsi deal. I was around at the time of the making and release. Paramout was able to place some Pepsi bottles in some latter shot scenes. You can notice one held by Barry Pearl at the begining of the "Summer Nights" segment.
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Originally Posted by Rob W
I truly don't understand the severe windowboxing of the opening animated credits . Who would possibly have a television with overscan severe enough to require shrinking them so much ? Yet the end credit sequence is NOT windowboxed!

The windowboxing here is even more drastic than what was done for the Bond opening credits. It's ridiculous.
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Just finished watching this. I only had the original DVD so this was a pretty huge leap in PQ for me. Very nice job Paramount!

Yes, the windowboxing is absurd. I used my projector's zoom mode, which made the AR 2.20:1 but no major info was missing.

As far as the audio goes, it sounded fine to me. The surrounds weren't louder then the front speakers like when I saw it in 1998. In fact, the surround audio blended in pretty seamlessly on my system. I also did not hear any of the audio errors litemakr described. Then again, I was just enjoying the movie and not really listening for any thing wrong.

Overall, I'm very happy with the Blu-Ray of Grease. Hopefully, Grease 2 will be out before the year is over!
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During Hopelessly Devoted to You, at the end of the song, there were originally foley effects. It was nice because the song ended and Olivia was left by herself and all you could hear were crickets chriping and her love letter swirling around in the water. Those sounds have been taken out and the music continues into the next scene. I would prefer the 1978 mix because of moments such as these.
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The soundtrack changes were done by director Randal Kleiser who admitted that he was just "fooling around" with the mix when it was locked for the 1998 release.

My guess is that Kleiser actually likes the new mix or he would've had something done about it.

Although I'm fine with the new mix, it does not mean I love it. I do miss the original music that played during the original Paramount logo which now seems gone forever. There are other things as well. Like the sound FX at the end of Hopelessly Devoted that ScottR mentioned.

While we're on the subject of audio, I wish they would put out a new soundtrack CD with the versions of the songs used in the film along with the few minutes of original score. Never gonna happen but I can dream.
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The soundtrack changes were done by director Randal Kleiser who admitted that he was just "fooling around" with the mix when it was locked for the 1998 release.

My guess is that Kleiser actually likes the new mix or he would've had something done about it.

Although I'm fine with the new mix, it does not mean I love it. I do miss the original music that played during the original Paramount logo which now seems gone forever. There are other things as well. Like the sound FX at the end of Hopelessly Devoted that ScottR mentioned.

While we're on the subject of audio, I wish they would put out a new soundtrack CD with the versions of the songs used in the film along with the few minutes of original score. Never gonna happen but I can dream.

Tom,that's interesting and that explains why the remix is horrible(in my opinion) because that's exactly what it sounds like"someone fooling around"
The fact that the original track isn't included is really annoying.Looks like i might have to stick with the video.
Now,what does vhs look like on a lcd?mmmm
post #23 of 49

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Well, if you get Panasonic's new BD80 VHS/Blu-Ray combo deck, you can upscale your VHS to 1080p.
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Originally Posted by Tom M
While we're on the subject of audio, I wish they would put out a new soundtrack CD with the versions of the songs used in the film along with the few minutes of original score. Never gonna happen but I can dream.

Didn't they release an "expanded" CD with an extra disc in addition to the same album versions we've had for 30 years? Supposedly the disc had a couple extra tracks of value (like the Rydell School Song), some stupid remixes, but not the complete music of the film (which I agree needs to be done but, like most post-1960 musicals won't be because the American Federation of Musicians will tie it up for years)?
post #25 of 49

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Yes, the titles are windowboxed, yes, the remix ain't all that great, but after watching this BD I'm grinning from ear to ear because I still get such a kick from Grease.

And, miraculously, it still looks vaguely like film and not an overly processed aberration, unlike pretty much every Paramount catalogue title I've ever laid eyes on (Godfather aside, natch ).

I never thought I'd say this: thanks Paramount.
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Originally Posted by ahollis
Sorry, but it was the Pepsi deal. I was around at the time of the making and release. Paramout was able to place some Pepsi bottles in some latter shot scenes. You can notice one held by Barry Pearl at the begining of the "Summer Nights" segment.


I agree it couldn't have been because of the previous post comment stating Coca-Cola didn't like the "raunchy" subject matter. Hello look at all the other films even made before and during and after Grease that were Rated R so the subject matter had nothing to do with it.

We all need to just deal with the fact it was always shown this way and it can't be corrected until George Lucas buys the rights to the film and fixes it. Haha.
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Well, I just watched this. The picture quality is pretty great, for the most part. But there's something about this and multiple other catalog titles that I don't understand, maybe some of you more knowledgeable tech guys can help. Why do some scenes look crystal clear, while others look blurry? One example is during "Hopelessly Devoted To You", there's a shot of Olivia walking over and leaning against a post. That one shot is noticeably blurred when compared to the rest of the scene.
Is it DNR? Is the original source out of focus? Is it the film stock? What??
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Originally Posted by Hank E
Well, I just watched this. The picture quality is pretty great, for the most part. But there's something about this and multiple other catalog titles that I don't understand, maybe some of you more knowledgeable tech guys can help. Why do some scenes look crystal clear, while others look blurry? One example is during "Hopelessly Devoted To You", there's a shot of Olivia walking over and leaning against a post. That one shot is noticeably blurred when compared to the rest of the scene.
Is it DNR? Is the original source out of focus? Is it the film stock? What??

IIRC, that is a long tracking shot with several camera positions and I think the focus puller was a little off when she hit the mark at the post. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I've seen this movie countless times, but it's funny how the non-editorial approach to that song really hit me this time. I had to skip back and watch it again. So simple and elegant. Maybe it's detox from the MTV style of the last 25 years...?
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Originally Posted by Hank E
Well, I just watched this. The picture quality is pretty great, for the most part. But there's something about this and multiple other catalog titles that I don't understand, maybe some of you more knowledgeable tech guys can help. Why do some scenes look crystal clear, while others look blurry? One example is during "Hopelessly Devoted To You", there's a shot of Olivia walking over and leaning against a post. That one shot is noticeably blurred when compared to the rest of the scene.
Is it DNR? Is the original source out of focus? Is it the film stock? What??


Wow, I guess I wasn't watching the same Blu-Ray disc as everyone else.

The image looks to be harvested from the same master made for the "Rockin' Rydell" DVD release from several years ago, which in and of itself was a big improvement over the original DVD. However, faces are waxy and scrubbed of any fine detail, and even the actors' hair (check out Newton-John's during a closeup in "You're the One That I Want") globs together in a very unnatural way. I'm going to call excessive DVNR on this one, for sure.

The audio is the horrible remix, with hollow and rather shrill music, and all kinds of mixing errors. Listen and you'll hear Travolta's "It's electrifyin'!" line TWICE on the soundtrack (after he falls to the ground during the beginning of "You're the One That I Want" and Newton-John looks back at her friends and they direct her to put out her cigarette - there is a strange repeat of the line low in the mix where it NEVER was in any previous version). Listen for the chorus suddenly added to "Hopelessly Devoted to You", and how they are AHEAD of Newton-John, starting the lyrics BEFORE she does! Terrible reverb has been added to all the vocals also, which is more apparent when comparing the sound to any of the older releases. I will see if I can find a way to post excerpts online comparing the mixes, which will of course have compressed sound and not compare to my original source but will perhaps show up some of these issues regardless.

Oh, another weird moment is when Newton-John is singing the reprise of "Sandra Dee" and Didi Conn runs to her. Newton-John's vocal goes in and out of heavy reverb quite sloppily when Conn runs up at the beginning exclaiming "We won!" and near the end of the song when she yells, "Come on, Sandy!" It literally sounds like the engineer was potting the reverb knob up and down to try to cover just the vocal on Newton-John but somehow Conn's lines were on the same track and they didn't want those affected.

Just an awful Blu-Ray. Eventually it will be redone, and let's pray for an original mix, or at least one now as misguided as this one. Surely at that point people will want SOME detail in the image also.
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This is admittedly a poor example owing to the limited dynamics of YouTube videos and the additional compression involved, but here it goes... The video in both cases is from the 2006 DVD.

Original Mix (sourced from a previous video release)


Remix (sourced from the 2006 "Rockin' Rydell" DVD)
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