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post #31 of 51
5/28/09 at 10:09am

Re: NFL 2009 Offseason thread

I don't think there's such a thing as too harsh when talking about Favre lately. He's proving himself to be the prima donna that many people suspected years ago and is making a laughing-stock of himself and any legacy he might have once had. Now he's just an easy punchline for comedians.

But, if he wants to unretire...again...I look forward to him setting another interception record.
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post #32 of 51
5/28/09 at 11:26am

Re: NFL 2009 Offseason thread

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Originally Posted by DavidJ
So, I was watching First Take on ESPN2 this morning and there were a couple of interesting NFL tidbits:

Did anyone else hear or read Tarkenton's rant about Favre? It was pretty harsh. And while I'm sick of the whole Favre "saga," I thought Tarkenton was off base.

There was also a report about how pleased the Lions are with Stafford. So much so that the commentator said he wouldn't be surprised if Stafford was on the field opening day. He didn't say it was what they were striving for just that what many thought wasn't at all possible now was slightly possible.

My take:

Of course, the Lions are saying they are pleased with and encouraged by Stafford's performance. They drafted him #1 and gave him a huge contract. Now that doesn't mean that he isn't doing well, it just means they'd say the same thing regardless.

I'd also like to add that any talk of starting Stafford early in the season is nuts. You've got Culpepper and there is no need to rush Stafford's development.

At this time of the year, every team says they are very pleased with the progress of their draft picks in camp. You never hear a team say "this guy really sucks. I can't believe we drafted him". It's just off season fluff.

I agree that the Lions should sit Stafford for the first year and let Culpepper take the pounding behind that weak offensive line, but since when did this franchise ever do the smart thing? If they put him in too soon, he could become shell shocked (ala David Carr in Houston).

I didn't see the Tarkenton piece on Favre, but I've been trying to be Favre-free this off season. I am really tired of the entire media circus.
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post #33 of 51
5/29/09 at 10:07pm

Re: NFL 2009 Offseason thread

Scott, I thought you might "like" this:

Lions ranked worst NFL franchise | detnews.com | The Detroit News

Adam Schein went through and ranked every franchise from 1 to 10 in eight different categories. The Lions had the lowest total and I thought you'd appreciate his comment:

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"But it's tough to overcome a '1' for ownership and front office. There's a reason why the Lions are rebuilding since 1957."
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post #34 of 51
5/31/09 at 5:47am

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Nice article, David. It certainly is easier to determine which franchise is #32 than who is #1. I think it's a toss-up between Pittsburgh and New England. Also, he has the Cardinals ranked way too high at #11. Their ownership is just as bad as Detroit's, and Arizona will surely come crashing back to earth quickly under their guidance after somehow lucking into a Super Bowl appearance.
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post #35 of 51
7/4/09 at 7:42pm
Thread Starter 
RIP, Steve McNair.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4306275
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post #36 of 51
7/5/09 at 4:06pm
The news on McNair really shocked me. I always thought he was a much better QB than he got credit for. Had that final play in the Super Bowl vs. the Rams gained one more yard, McNair would have been looked on much differently, IMO. He would have been 1-0 in the Super Bowl, and Warner would now be 0-3.

RIP, Steve.
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post #37 of 51
7/8/09 at 2:19pm
Thread Starter 
The girlfriend of McNair had GSR on her, so it points to her being the shooter, and he being asleep when she pumped 4 rounds into him.  Sounds like jealousy and financial troubles motivated the girlfriend into such drastic actions. 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-mcnairkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns
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post #38 of 51
8/14/09 at 9:12am
Thread Starter 
So, Michael Vick is now an Eagle.  Thoughts?
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post #39 of 51
8/14/09 at 10:31am
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post #40 of 51
8/14/09 at 11:54am
I think I was one of those who posted their disgust at Vick's actions and his lack of character.  I also believe that, to use a trite phrase, when someone has paid their debt to society he/she should have the opportunity to seek employment.  They should have the opportunity to start over again.

I personally hope he has truly opened his mind to the suffering he caused and is in the process of changing his attitude towards dogs and other animals.  He has an opportunity to reach a generation of young people and turn them away from animal cruelty and I hope he succeeds in this.

The moment it becomes evident he's still the same guy, he shouldn't touch a football in the NFL again.
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post #41 of 51
8/14/09 at 6:09pm
I think he should have proved himself first before he was given another million dollar contract.

Has he really done anything yet besides say what he's going to do?
As it is now he already has the money again, hasn't proven anything.

I'm very disappointed in the Eagles and not sure what the point of signing him is and don't think I'll be watching the games while Vick is on the field.
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post #42 of 51
8/15/09 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by TonyD View PostHas he really done anything yet besides say what he's going to do?
As it is now he already has the money again, hasn't proven anything.
According to my morning paper, none of the money is guaranteed.
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post #43 of 51
8/15/09 at 12:58pm
this is true, not guaranteed but how likely is it that he'll be cut at least this season.
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post #44 of 51
8/16/09 at 8:16am
I don't feel he's learned anything.  He didn't serve his whole sentence, and what he did serve was partly in the comforts of his own home (I think). Yet now he's being allowed to step right back on the field and be showered with money once again.  I think a 3-5 year ban from football would have been appropriate, then possibly consider reinstatement if he's still clean at that time.

I'm really disgusted that the Commissioner seemed to roll over so easy on this one.  So much for the "hard line" he's been touting the past few years with respect to player behavior.

I'm not a big believer in second chances. A leopard never changes his spots, as they say.
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post #45 of 51
8/16/09 at 8:40pm
HMmmmm. Not a believer in second chances, that means you have had the luxury of not making any mistakes. I on the other hand have made a few in my life. And while they are nothing serious and only occasionally rear their head for my explanation, they do. And its been 20 years. Who among us is the person we once were? You have to allow the chance for people to learn and change and grow because if you don't or you believe that their is no possibility of change then what was the point? It won't bring dogs or people back.
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post #46 of 51
8/17/09 at 9:57am
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I don't feel he's learned anything. 

I'm really disgusted that the Commissioner seemed to roll over so easy on this one.  So much for the "hard line" he's been touting the past few years with respect to player behavior.

I'm not a big believer in second chances. A leopard never changes his spots, as they say.
 
I partly believe you.  I'm skeptical of his sincerity.  But he has done his time and he should have the chance to work at the profession his talents allow.  It seems wrong to continue the punishment once released from jail.  There's the chance he is sincere and will work with the HSUS to campaign against dog fighting.  He could help many kids to grow up knowing dog fighting is a cruel activity.

Who knows what the end result will be?  That's better than determining the end result by condemning him forever.
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post #47 of 51
8/17/09 at 11:39am

Okay, commit a felony, get convicted, do time, THEN try to get your old job back.  Good luck with that...   The NFL has a policy preventing convicted felons from working in the league offices, yet Vick gets suitors lined up to pay him millions.  I'm all for second chances.. as long as opportunities are equal. 

Here's to hoping the guy running the PA system at Lucas Oil this week has the guts to play "Who let the Dogs out"

Go Colts!

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post #48 of 51
8/17/09 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by Nathan_F View Post

Okay, commit a felony, get convicted, do time, THEN try to get your old job back.  Good luck with that... 



The difference of course is that Vick, like him or not, possess a skill set that very few people in the world have.
 
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post #49 of 51
8/17/09 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick_S View Post

The difference of course is that Vick, like him or not, possess a skill set that very few people in the world have.
 

That should make no difference.  The fact that it does says volumes about our society.
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post #50 of 51
8/17/09 at 2:16pm
Thread Starter 
After everything is said and done this season, I'm not sure people will care which of their team's wins were felon-free.  LOL!
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post #51 of 51
8/18/09 at 10:13am
Vick has been pushed aside, now Favre is back in the headlines and is supposed to sign this afternoon with the Vikings.  Favre didn't like another quarterback snatching up all that air time.
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