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post #31 of 58
4/21/09 at 10:25am

Re: Do you wear denim? George Will thinks you are a immature slob

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Originally Posted by Holadem
I always wonder whether a 68 y/o conservative Washington columnist would approve of my outfit before I walk out of the house.
I had the same thought. George Will (or anyone for that matter) can tell me to my face that I shouldn't wear jeans and I'd just laugh at him rather than put any stock in what he said.
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post #32 of 58
4/21/09 at 1:45pm

Re: Do you wear denim? George Will thinks you are a immature slob

I prefer to fight fire with fire....F*** me? F*** you!
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post #33 of 58
4/21/09 at 2:24pm

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Denim is the infantile uniform of a nation in which entertainment frequently features childlike adults ("Seinfeld," "Two and a Half Men")
I can't speak for seinfeld, since it hasn't been on-the-air in about a decade, but I'm reasonably sure the only person who wears denim jeans on Two and a Half Men is Jake, the child. (The two adults are Dockers and Khaki shorts respectively).

But it begets the question: If not blue-dyed denim, what should we make our casual, durable long pants from? I suspect it could be leather, but whenever I wear leather pants people always assume that I am either riding a motorcycle or I'm cruising for a leatherboy. If pants were made of wool we'd all be itchy, industrial vinyl we'd all be sweaty and have ingrown hairs and if we construct our pants from hemp then we'd all be dirty hippies.

So please, what should be make pants out of?
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post #34 of 58
4/21/09 at 2:46pm

Re: Do you wear denim? George Will thinks you are a immature slob

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Originally Posted by MarkHastings
But George's views were not just that, he's definitely still holding onto the ideals of the 30's and 40's where people dressed up whenever they went out in public. Going to the movies, dinner, sporting events, etc. meant you got dressed up nicely. Have you ever seen photos of old baseball games where all the fans would wear suits and those old hats (Bolero's??)??
I can't speak for the decline of the "suite" but hats as "required fashion" ended about the time we invented a shampoo for lice. The popular hat was the Fedora, Bolero is a neck tie.

Cheap soap is still very new, and a vast, vast, VAST part of our collective culture was developed to deal with other people, who have historically been very filthy, infested or both.

Examples:
*"threshold" - the part of the door that keeps the "thresh" inside. Before carpets and hardwood flooring people put hay ontop of packed dirt. Nobody uses thresh but we still have thresholds.

*Church incense - Where does the village go on sunday? Church. What smells really bad? An entire town of peasants who bathe in a municipal river twice a year (the same river they crap in) crammed into one building.

*Underwear - Kinda useless today, But until the last century rolled toilet-tissue didn't exist. Better to sacrifice the undergarment than mud-stripe your pantaloons.
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post #35 of 58
4/21/09 at 4:56pm

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Originally Posted by Garrett Lundy
I can't speak for the decline of the "suite" but hats as "required fashion" ended about the time we invented a shampoo for lice. The popular hat was the Fedora, Bolero is a neck tie.
Ah yes, Fedora, that's what I was thinking of.

Actually, the Bolero I was confusing it with was the Spanish Bolero hats that Flamenco dancers wear.
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post #36 of 58
4/21/09 at 5:45pm

Re: Do you wear denim? George Will thinks you are a immature slob

The Bolero is also a Spanish dance made famous by Maurice Ravel.

I think you are referring to the "bolo" string necktie.
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post #37 of 58
4/21/09 at 6:16pm

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Originally Posted by Garrett Lundy
I can't speak for the decline of the "suite" but hats as "required fashion" ended about the time we invented a shampoo for lice. The popular hat was the Fedora, Bolero is a neck tie.
I disagree with that statement. The decline of hats is primary due to JFK.
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post #38 of 58
4/21/09 at 7:25pm

Re: Do you wear denim? George Will thinks you are a immature slob

When it comes to attire I try to follow the rule "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." Problem is, everytime I find myself in Rome, they've changed the rules again!

I tend overdress the few times a year I need to dress-up. Otherwise, it's a good old fashioned pair of pants and a t-shirt/sweatshirt (but pretty nice ones).
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I know George Will is a well respected journalist,
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Not so much lately.

(I won't get into detail; a Google search should bring it up.)
Thanks for the info Michael but frankly, I just don't give a s*#% whether he's respected or not. Sorry. Looks like it's going to be a bad week .
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post #39 of 58
4/21/09 at 8:03pm

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I wear Wrangler jeans 99% of the time. I really couldn't care less what anyone else thinks of it. I wear what's comfortable..........
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post #40 of 58
4/21/09 at 9:28pm

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Originally Posted by Ed Moxley
I wear Wrangler jeans 99% of the time. I really couldn't care less what anyone else thinks of it. I wear what's comfortable..........

Brett Favre?

I prefer Levi's.

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post #41 of 58
4/22/09 at 3:58am

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Originally Posted by RobertR
Considering that he was born in Illinois, received much of his education in the Northeast, and lives in D.C., I don't see what relevance the "Yankee" label has.

"Yankee", as in American. Never seen Clerks?
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post #42 of 58
4/22/09 at 6:08am

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Originally Posted by Patrick_S
I disagree with that statement. The decline of hats is primary due to JFK.
Possibly in America, but a sudden drop in hat usage around the world?
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post #43 of 58
4/22/09 at 6:22am

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Today it is silly for Americans whose closest approximation of physical labor consists of loading their bags of clubs into golf carts to go around in public dressed for driving steers up the Chisholm Trail to the railhead in Abilene.

Not a very good example to use since most golf courses ban denim!
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post #44 of 58
4/22/09 at 7:12am

Re: Do you wear denim? George Will thinks you are a immature slob

^^ And why would anyone want to wear demin while playing golf??

And to those who don't care what this guy is saying; I don't think the rest of us exactly care, I'm just angered by the fact that he's posting an antiquated and highly offensive opinion in a major newspaper.

He has every right to his opinion, but I think his vocalization of that opinion is pretty sleazy.
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post #45 of 58
4/22/09 at 9:13am

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What he's also missing is the fact that his beloved business suit also came about as the result of the loosening of attire standards in the 19th century. I'm sure there were plenty of stick up their posterior sorts back then who similarly decried the loss of their beloved ruffs and velvet pantaloons.
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post #46 of 58
4/22/09 at 9:14am

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Originally Posted by Garrett Lundy
Possibly in America, but a sudden drop in hat usage around the world?
I can't speak about the rest of the world but it is not "possibly" for the US, it is a fact that hat sales dropped drastically when JFK became president.
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post #47 of 58
4/22/09 at 9:43am

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Actually the "JFK killed the hat" story is an urban myth.

snopes.com: John F. Kennedy's Hat

In fact, photos of JFK at his inauguration clearly show him wearing a top hat the whole time.
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post #48 of 58
4/22/09 at 10:51am

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Sorry but I'm going to say Snopes is wrong because their basic premise is wrong. They make the leap that one event was the cause in order to make their argument when in fact the hat industry cites his regular forgoing of wearing a hat as a factor in the decline.


Certainly the trend had started before his Presidency but his actions helped put the trend of going hatless over the top.
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post #49 of 58
4/22/09 at 11:08am

Re: Do you wear denim? George Will thinks you are a immature slob

So a poltical journalist doesn't like it when people wear denim jeans and everyone who does is "a immature slob" ???


Well then ...

"Hi my name is Duggie, and I'm a slob" ...


I guess tomorrow when I go to work on the construction site, I'm going to where my 3-piece suit and best silk tie and see how long they last ...
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post #50 of 58
4/22/09 at 11:46am

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Khakis last half as long and cost twice as much as jeans. Suit-pants may as well have a "do not buy" tag on them along with their "do not wash - dry clean only" tag, since besides the inability to wash them, they aren't suitable for walking outdoors -- they're only good in a controlled-temperature environment (they can be freezing when worn outdoors, or, if wool, terribly hot, and can't stop wind). And moreover, they are even more fragile and expensive than khakis. Bend down on one knee to unplug something from your power-strip, and there goes the knee of the suit-pants.

Only someone overpaid, like a top-executive, or an overpaid pundit, could justify wearing pants that require more care and have more limitations of use than a corset.

Anyway, maybe he doesn't realize that people who wear jeans are usually NOT "dressing down" -- they're dressing up. Jeans come in all kinds of cuts, and finding ones that complement your appearance is not easy. It takes time and consideration to find the right jeans.

And there is a great equalizing force in jeans -- since the cost ranges from $10 at OldNavy to a thousand bucks at Macys, and the $10 ones are SOMETIMES even better than the expensive ones. Point being, anyone who tries, can look good in jeans. You don't have to be a millionaire to look good in jeans.
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post #51 of 58
4/22/09 at 3:22pm

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the cost ranges from $10 at OldNavy to a thousand bucks at Macys, and the $10 ones are SOMETIMES even better than the expensive ones

The $12 jeans from Costco are actually pretty nice.

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Suit-pants may as well have a "do not buy" tag on them

When I was a kid suits came with two pairs of pants. It was obvious that the pants would take the brunt of the wear. But of course companies found they could make more money by selling one jacket one pair pants. Sort of like planned obsolescence.
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post #52 of 58
4/22/09 at 3:56pm

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Originally Posted by MarkHastings
And to those who don't care what this guy is saying; I don't think the rest of us exactly care, I'm just angered by the fact that he's posting an antiquated and highly offensive opinion in a major newspaper.

He has every right to his opinion, but I think his vocalization of that opinion is pretty sleazy.
And yet here we all are, linking and distributing the article and talking about it. Looks like George wrote exactly the article an op-ed wants.
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post #53 of 58
4/22/09 at 4:45pm

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And yet here we all are, linking and distributing the article and talking about it. Looks like George wrote exactly the article an op-ed wants.
True. But it was writen and published for all the wrong reasons. But what else is new?
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post #54 of 58
4/22/09 at 6:55pm

Re: Do you wear denim? George Will thinks you are a immature slob

Andy Rooney make equally asinine rants every single week on national televsion on a respected news program. As dumb as Will's article is, I guess I can give him some slack.

And anything that keeps him from writing about baseball is OK by me
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post #55 of 58
4/22/09 at 8:11pm

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Ya but we all know Rooney's rants are shtick but Will was supposed to be taken a bit more seriously. Or, maybe Michael Reuben was right. Not so respected anymore.
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post #56 of 58
4/22/09 at 10:16pm

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Originally Posted by Jerry Almeida
"Yankee", as in American.
When someone uses "Yankee" in the pejorative, he's typically either not an American or from one of the old Confederate states. Since Will is neither of those, why would he use such a title?

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Suit-pants may as well have a "do not buy" tag on them along with their "do not wash - dry clean only" tag, since besides the inability to wash them, they aren't suitable for walking outdoors -- they're only good in a controlled-temperature environment (they can be freezing when worn outdoors, or, if wool, terribly hot, and can't stop wind). And moreover, they are even more fragile and expensive than khakis. Bend down on one knee to unplug something from your power-strip, and there goes the knee of the suit-pants.
You've hit on what I think is a BIG reason why jeans are so popular--low maintenance! You don't have to get them pressed or dry cleaned, they're not fragile, etc. Suits are a lot of bother.
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post #57 of 58
4/23/09 at 2:03am

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I've even seen my share of jeans at wedding receptions. To me, that's just disrespectful

I disagree. The reception part of a wedding should be considered informal, if you're not part of the wedding party. I mean, once all the drinking and dancing starts up, the shirts get untucked, the ties fly off, any hair that was specifically styled for the wedding is ruined...mostly it ends up as something just north of a college toga party. If I'm going to have to deal with the drunk who wanders around the dance floor spilling his drink on anyone in his path, I'd rather he spilled it on my jeans and not my far more expensive and far more fragile dress pants.

As for the rest of the article...meh. I don't put much stock in "standards" as far as dress goes. I've known plenty of people who dress in a "proper" manner and talking with them is like talking to a varnished door. Looks pretty, doesn't add much to the conversation. On the flip side, I know plenty of people who wear sweat pants to restaurants and they can be colorful, thoughtful and entertaining...and vice versa.

If George Will wants to call people who wear denim immature slobs, then I have the opinion that he is just a stuffed-shirt blowhard who can't adapt to changes. Seems fair.

Bruce
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post #58 of 58
4/23/09 at 6:43am

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Originally Posted by Bruce Hedtke
I disagree. The reception part of a wedding should be considered informal, if you're not part of the wedding party. I mean, once all the drinking and dancing starts up, the shirts get untucked, the ties fly off, any hair that was specifically styled for the wedding is ruined...mostly it ends up as something just north of a college toga party.
Some may end up that way, but most receptions surely don't start off that way. Most of the recepetions I've gone to have been quite the formal affair...unless we're talking about the basement of some sort of local club, any wedding hall'd reception should at least be denim free.
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If I'm going to have to deal with the drunk who wanders around the dance floor spilling his drink on anyone in his path, I'd rather he spilled it on my jeans and not my far more expensive and far more fragile dress pants.
That's kind of backwards thinking, don't you think? You're going to dress down for a reception on the off chance that someone may spill a drink on your pants? If some drunk ruins my pants, I make him pay to claen/replace them; I don't "play it safe" by dressing down.
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