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A few words about...™ Pride and Prejudice -- in Blu-ray

post #1 of 30
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I've always found it interesting to see the prices that 1st and other early editions of literature bring on the world market, and it seems that the major works of Jane Austen are high on the list.

While a decent 2nd edition of Pride and Prejudice will go for $10 - 15,000, a first in very good or better condition can easily head toward the $100,000 mark. As a comparison to this 1813 first edition, consider Henry Fielding's Tom Jones, considered by some to be the first true English novel.

While P and P was apparently published in a first of 1,500 copies, Tom Jones was an immediate sell-out in 1749 at 2,000 -- with an additional 1,500 published from the same type (albeit re-set without errors) a few weeks later. A nice first of Tom Jones will run anywhere from $5 -10,000.

What does that tell us? Probably something more to do with followers of Ms. Austen than English literature in general.

But I'm reminded that this piece is about the new Blu-ray of the BBC presentation of 1995 at 5 hours, 23 minutes of Ms. Austen's work. Which is about the amount of time really necessary to tell the story with fully developed characters.

This is great television, and a superlative upgrade from the standard definition version. The BBC has done the right thing with P and P, going back to the foundation, in this case the original 16mm negative, as the basis for the Blu-ray, as their work has paid off in spades.

What we have appears to my eye as a Spirit image harvest, with occasional bumps at either splices or notches, but overall a glorious presentation of an extremely high quality show.

16mm shot correctly and with an image properly harvested can yield beautiful results, especially when the dirt which seems to rule the roost in 16mm is wiped clean.

Everything about this presentation is of the highest caliber.

Highly Recommended, especially for those who can enjoy the film with their first edition nearby.

RAH

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post #2 of 30

Re: A few words about...™ Pride and Prejudice -- in Blu-ray

Well Robert, I'm missing that 1st edition, but I do love the thought. I'll settle for a glass of Sherry, followed by Port during the third act.
post #3 of 30

Re: A few words about...™ Pride and Prejudice -- in Blu-ray

Good to see this release get Robert Harris's approval. I probably won't be picking it up anytime soon (cash problems, do I really need it?, etc. ). But it's a terrific miniseries and the past releases have looked awful. It's very reassuring to know there's a good quality version of this series available.
post #4 of 30

Re: A few words about...™ Pride and Prejudice -- in Blu-ray

Edited to remove ill-advised information.
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Re: A few words about...™ Pride and Prejudice -- in Blu-ray

Mark, I'm confused. I think the BD is 1.78:1, like the DVD SE, no? (Note: the DVD SE box was incorrectly labeled 2.35:1).

I bought the BD, but don't currently have a BD player available to watch it on.

I should also say that I had the original 4:3 DVD, then sold it and got the 16:9 SE DVD. The framing of the 16:9 seems okay to me.

The DVD Beaver comparison illustrates some differences, and the significant PQ improvement:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...ce_blu-ray.htm
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Re: A few words about...™ Pride and Prejudice -- in Blu-ray

GlennH,

Thanks for the link. The images at the link look great. None of those are the scenes that seem like Hannibal and sliced off the top third of someone's cranium to eat their brians ala the film "Hannibal."
And it is clearer to me now how the framing has changed and it is seeming
more likely that because the framing on the initial DVD was so compromised
in the first place maybe the top and bottom didn't look as odd to me as they do now.

Still, look at the scene with the whole family with Lydia standing up and how much of the top of the image
is removed in the Blu-Ray compared to the original 4x3 DVD. Look at the bookcase in the background.
It is that difference of "head room" that in some scenes makes the head cropping go from what
we usually see (mid to upper forehead) to cropping in odd places, like right above the brow,
which seems like a poor place to crop to.

I only have a stand alone Blu-Ray player and not one in my PC, but I will attempt to take some photos,
thought I cannot compare it to the original DVD anymore.

Go buy the Blu-Ray, no worries. Everything else is amazing. Truly the image quality is spectacular and the
cropping is only odd in a few places, but it left me wondering if the cinematographer had been taking a cat nap
when framing the scene.
post #7 of 30

Re: A few words about...™ Pride and Prejudice -- in Blu-ray

The local Costco is selling this title at $28.99...scarfed up my copy there last week! RAH rocks!
post #8 of 30

Re: A few words about...™ Pride and Prejudice -- in Blu-ray

Thanks for another fine review, RAH. And thanks also for the DVDBeaver link showing some comparison screen caps.

Have never seen this much acclaimed BBC miniseries before -- and do very much enjoy various Austen-based films albeit mainly the Hollywood-ized ones so far -- so I'm looking forward to seeing the BD I just scored today for just $15 from the nearby street vendor here in downtown Manhattan.

_Man_
post #9 of 30

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RAH, what on earth happened to the scene a few minutes from the end when Darcy says "I've been a selfish being all my life and so he would have continued to be but for ...? Suddenly the PQ goes bad--almost as if it were suddenly standard def for about a minute or two. No one else (except my sister who had noticed it, too) has mentioned this. I'm thinking there is also a post on the Blu Ray.com comment re: this title that asks "what's up with that...". What happened there?

Otherwise, the PQ, etc. is excellent. A very enjoyable BD.
post #10 of 30
While I find the image quality to be good for the most part, I too question the framing of many scenes which lobotomize the characters. I bought the BR after reading RAH's comments and viewing the DVDBeaver captures, which appear to present more of the side of the frame than the 4:3 version, yet scenes such as the crossing of the bridge in the first or second installment, plus numerous other occasions have entire heads cut off, and nothing of substance in the lower frame. There are also several instances where compression artifacts are evident, with background window panes hovering above the image, or trees freezing and shifting (episodes 4 and 5 particularly).


Edited by Jeff Ulmer - 7/22/2009 at 04:56 pm GMT
post #11 of 30
Been watching this with the wifey the past few nights and want to comment on the audio. It's ony two channel stereo (and I say "only" with tongue planted firmly in cheek), but it's uncompressed and it sounds fantastic.

My favorite picture quality revelation was when a still picture was photographed and used as an establishing shot (only happened once, in the first or second episode). On a television broadcast, a variety of picture quality issues would have hidden this shortcut, but on blu-ray, it stands out. Good stuff.
post #12 of 30
It's now $19.99 at Amazon.
post #13 of 30
Does anyone know what's the deal/differences with the NEW version of this Movie on BD that arrives this week?  I just bought the old BD version to give my wive for Mother's Day, and, this morning, I see a new re-issue is due on Tuesday.

Thanks.
C
post #14 of 30
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Does anyone know what's the deal/differences with the NEW version of this Movie on BD that arrives this week?  I just bought the old BD version to give my wive for Mother's Day, and, this morning, I see a new re-issue is due on Tuesday.

Thanks.
C


 

Chris,

The new release has reportedly been restored.  It will be interesting to see the improve quality over the 2009 BR release.

http://www.blurayfreak.com/2009/04/pride-and-prejudice-extensively-remastered-for-bluray.html




Crawdaddy
post #15 of 30
It was already restored before the last release
post #16 of 30
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Chris,

The new release has reportedly been restored.  It will be interesting to see the improve quality over the 2009 BR release.

http://www.blurayfreak.com/2009/04/pride-and-prejudice-extensively-remastered-for-bluray.html

Crawdaddy

Re-mastered would be the word.  Restored would denote something problematic with the actual film elements.
They have selected a different element for transfer, in this case the OCN, and have created a new master.

RAH
post #17 of 30
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris View Post


Re-mastered would be the word.  Restored would denote something problematic with the actual film elements.
They have selected a different element for transfer, in this case the OCN, and have created a new master.

RAH
 

I stand corrected by the expert on this subject matter.






Crawdaddy
post #18 of 30
 Amazon has a release date of Tuesday April 27 for a standard DVD release, but I haven't located anything about a newer BD issue. The referenced article at bluerayfreak.com seems to be referring to the 2009 BD, which was indeed sourced from the OCN.
post #19 of 30
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Originally Posted by Paul Penna View Post

 Amazon has a release date of Tuesday April 27 for a standard DVD release, but I haven't located anything about a newer BD issue. The referenced article at bluerayfreak.com seems to be referring to the 2009 BD, which was indeed sourced from the OCN.
Here you go.

Pride and Prejudice (1995 Restored) (A&E Home Video)
post #20 of 30
 Ah, thanks. Granted Amazon descriptions can be dicey, but going by that, the difference as listed is that the new one is 1 rather than 2 discs, and 1.33:1 rather than 1.78:1. The word "remaster" doesn't appear.
post #21 of 30
For 16mm materials, the risks associated with running a cut negative through a telecine are usually worth the rewards associated with the improved image quality.  Especially if skilled technicians coupled with advancing technology are used to mitigate those risks.

On a less serious note, I take it that "first edition" Blu-rays of the P&P miniseries will not be quite as collectible as first editions of the novel.

Regards,
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by Ken_McAlinden View Post

For 16mm materials, the risks associated with running a cut negative through a telecine are usually worth the rewards associated with the improved image quality.  Especially if skilled technicians coupled with advancing technology are used to mitigate those risks.

On a less serious note, I take it that "first edition" Blu-rays of the P&P miniseries will not be quite as collectible as first editions of the novel.

Regards,

Doubtful.  Although some DVDs, as well as lasers still hold value as collectibles.
post #23 of 30
I'm not convinced this is a new release at all.  The "Blu-ray freak" article linked to is dated "08 Apr", but does not give a year.  It talks about the UK edition already being available, with the U.S. version to follow on "April 14th" - not April 27th.  I believe this article is from 2009 and refers to the 2009 release.  I think the "new" version is simply a repackaging of the 2009 discs.  At least I hope so.  I  don't want to have to buy this thing again.  It is starting to compete with the original Star Wars trilogy and the Godfather films as my most re-bought title.   I'm lacking only a laserdisc version to complete the set. 

Regards,

Joe
post #24 of 30
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This was released in May of 2009 in the Colonies.  It arrived earlier in the UK - October of 2008.

I have no idea what the new (and potentially strange) release is that arrives 27 April.  It appears to be 1.33 - open matte.

I can only presume that a market exists for those who have an HD monitor, but for whatever reason greatly miss having black bars.  This will solve the problem by allowing them to view the bars at the sides.  

Prospective buyers will pay twice the price for those bars, and have 300 minutes on a single disc, possibly a BD-18.

Nice idea, but conceptually enough to give one nightmares.

Can't wait for a non-anamorphic Avatar.

RAH
post #25 of 30
The previous 4:3 SD releases of this had substantially less information on the sides than last year's 16:9 release.  It's possible that it was shot on Super 16, framed for 4:3, and protected for 16:9 in the "side matte" areas, but I don't know how common this would have been for a mid 90s BBC miniseries.  In such cases, the filmmakers sometimes have a preference for the more restrictive aspect ratio as that is the one for which they had to carefully plan their compositions and the "unmatted" ratio has too much "dead space". 

Note: The above is pure speculation as I have no firsthand knowledge (or even reliable second hand knowledge) about how it was actually filmed. 

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This was released in May of 2009 in the Colonies.  It arrived earlier in the UK - October of 2008.

I have no idea what the new (and potentially strange) release is that arrives 27 April.  It appears to be 1.33 - open matte.

I can only presume that a market exists for those who have an HD monitor, but for whatever reason greatly miss having black bars.  This will solve the problem by allowing them to view the bars at the sides.  

Prospective buyers will pay twice the price for those bars, and have 300 minutes on a single disc, possibly a BD-18.

Nice idea, but conceptually enough to give one nightmares.

Can't wait for a non-anamorphic Avatar.

RAH
 
post #26 of 30
I also just picked this one up on BD for $20 and hope I won't need to repurchase it (I haven't even opened my copy yet).

I just want to note that you should not go by Amazon's technical specs. They are often (and most likely) wrong.
post #27 of 30
Nothing would surprise me at this point, but my guess is that this is simply a repackaging of the 2009 BD discs, to coincide with (and use the same new artwork as) the new DVD version that uses the same remaster.

The Amazon specs are probably just wrong, as they often are. It's probably 1.78:1 and 2 discs. In fact, the little "2" in the corner on the cover probably means 2 discs.
post #28 of 30
Quote:
...this is simply a repackaging of the 2009 BD discs, to coincide with (and use the same new artwork as) the new DVD version that uses the same remaster.
 

I just checked the A&E site for information on both the new DVD release and the "new" Blu Ray edition and it seems clear that Glenn is correct. 

The SD-DVD is based on the same HD master, sourced from the original negatives, that was used for the 2009 BD release.  It also has some of the same supplements.  The specs box shows the aspect ratio as "1.33:1", but the features list in the description proper says "anamorphic widescreen".  I'm confident that the 1.33:1 is an error which was also picked up by Amazon and incorrectly applied to the BD 2 disc set.  This should be a major quality improvement in terms of color fideltiy and over-all image quality compared to the last widescreen DVD release, for those who don't have Blu Ray players, HD monitors or both.

The Blu Ray version is simply the 2009 set re-issued with the new cover artwork.  The list of features is identical and the preview video clip is the widescreen demo comparing the previous widescreen version, sourced from a print, to the new restoration, sourced from the negative, taken from the restoration documentary included on the 2009 release.  And it clearly says "2 discs".  Amazon specs are often garbage, they listed the upcoming BD of Stagecoach as being widescreen, and their reviews are useless as they combine reviews for different releases of the same title.  
 
Nice to know I don't have to buy yet another copy.  (At least until I upgrade all my equipment, by which time P&P 3D will no doubt be on the way on whatever medium replaces BD. )

Regards,

Joe
post #29 of 30
Thanks for the clarification, guys.  I'll be finally picking this up.
post #30 of 30

Wanted to echo the thanks for saving me $11. Just pulled the trigger on the original BBC Blu ray. My gf will love this.

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