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You don't really believe that, do you?

Naw. Just still having fun with the thread.

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post #122 of 150

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Id almost hate to see this thread die.

You know, if a compete set of Galactica means you have to have the 78 series, and Galactica 80, a complete Star Trek would need TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT. I will have to start a boycott of all Trek, until i get a real, and complete set. Wait, i want new discs, extras, a cool box, and maybe a Checkov action figure. Price best be under $100, cause im not made of money!
post #123 of 150

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A Shatner head with the discs under his rug.
post #124 of 150

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Originally Posted by RickER
Id almost hate to see this thread die.

You know, if a compete set of Galactica means you have to have the 78 series, and Galactica 80, a complete Star Trek would need TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT. I will have to start a boycott of all Trek, until i get a real, and complete set. Wait, i want new discs, extras, a cool box, and maybe a Checkov action figure. Price best be under $100, cause im not made of money!

Don't forget ALL the movies...and the Animated Series.
post #125 of 150
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You guys keep forgetting that this set is perhaps one of the most expensive standard sets to get released. The SRP is $300 and after the Pre-Order, after the street date release week, don't look for any substantial price cuts on this set.

Even Amazon will kick the price up to around $250. Retailers are only allowed to discount merchandise so much. If Amazon keeps that BG set, the everyday price, at $200, you can bet that Amazon will end up getting sued by the distributor of that product.

Since the whole thing broke out since last summer, large chain retailers are under fire over their business standards of selling merchandise far lower than the manufacturers SRP. Retailers are only allowed to discount merchandise only so much after it was discovered that big chain retailers like Best Buy, Circuit City, Target and other specialty electronics and technology chains were undercutting prices, selling merchandise so low in order to force out local competitors in their area of business (technology and entertainment).

This all came to a head last summer when manufacturers started firing back by invoking the laws that prevent such undercutting. This kind of pricing was shown to be in violation of state and federal laws. This is why websites such as Amazon and Best Buy list not just the "Sale Price" but they are also now required by law to list the "List Price" or "SRP." If the price is set too low, they are prevented, by Federal law, from displaying those prices on their websites. This is why sites such as Best Buy aren't allowed to display those prices are instead will display an indicative warning "See Price in Cart."
post #126 of 150

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Not true. Right now Amazon has their preorder price at 35% off SRP. They sell many Complete Series at 30-40% off SRP every single day - unless they run a sale where they are cheaper:

X-Files, The Complete Series: 329.98 SRP. Amazon Price: 169.99 (48% off)

Deadwood, The Complete Series: 179.97 SRP. Amazon Price: 105.99 (40% off)

ST: DS9, The Complete Series: 519.99 SRP. Amazon Price: 111.49 (38% off)

Twilight Zone, The Complete Series: 299.99 SRP. Amazon Price: 316.99 (39% off)

The OC, The Complete Series: 179.98 SRP. Amazon Price: 111.49 (38% off)

ST:Voyager, The Complete Series: 529.98 SRP. Amazon Price: 334.99 (37% off)

Gilmore Girls, The Complete Series: 258.82 SRP. Amazon Price: 170.49 (34% off)

Babylon 5, The Complete Series: 299.98 SRP. Amazon Price: 199.99 (33% off)

Seinfeld, The Complete Series: 250.95 SRP. Amazon Price: 179.99 (30% off)

West Wing, The Complete Series: 299.98 SRP. Amazon Price: 209.99 (30% off)

Charmed, The Complete Series: 249.98 SRP. Amazon Price: 174.99 (30% off)

ST:TNG, The Complete Series: 455.96 SRP. Amazon Price: 326.99 (28% off)
post #127 of 150

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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge
Even Amazon will kick the price up to around $250. Retailers are only allowed to discount merchandise so much. If Amazon keeps that BG set, the everyday price, at $200, you can bet that Amazon will end up getting sued by the distributor of that product.

This all came to a head last summer when manufacturers started firing back by invoking the laws that prevent such undercutting. This kind of pricing was shown to be in violation of state and federal laws. This is why websites such as Amazon and Best Buy list not just the "Sale Price" but they are also now required by law to list the "List Price" or "SRP." If the price is set too low, they are prevented, by Federal law, from displaying those prices on their websites. This is why sites such as Best Buy aren't allowed to display those prices are instead will display an indicative warning "See Price in Cart."

While I have seen situations in the past regarding vendors losing the right to sell a brand because of selling below a manufacturers established lowest price and I've seen the warning about prices not listed and having to put it in the cart first. But I've only seen this myself with respect to hardware purchases such as receivers, speakers, DVD players, and such. These manufacturers typically limit what chains in a given area are authorized to even sell the product to try to enforce this control.

However, I have never seen nor heard of this behavior with studios and distributors of DVDs. Could you please provide an example of a merchant losing the right to sell a brand of DVD as a result of selling the product to low? Could you provide an example of a DVD purchase that requires you to put it in a cart first to see the price due to a legal constraint? I am naturally curious to learn more about this regarding DVD's, As I say, this is news to me.

How does Amazon manage the Gold Box deals and such that quite frequently have sales of over 50%? Or how about DD 25% off there normal sales price, which general equates to about 40% off? Then there are Borders coupons of 40% - 50% off. Unless you are saying that they are allowed to sell up to 50% off of list. If that is the case then the BSG set should be able to go for about $150 with no issues.
post #128 of 150

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nevermind
post #129 of 150

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Originally Posted by TravisR
nevermind

Go ahead...say it. Keep beating the dead horse!

The only thing you can lose is your sanity, and maybe respect. But in this thread who cares?
post #130 of 150

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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge
You guys keep forgetting that this set is perhaps one of the most expensive standard sets to get released.
Please, Mark. Do NOT try to tell any or all of us what is or isn't in our heads. You just can't know.

By the same token, we can't know what's in your head. We really, truly can't know that.
post #131 of 150

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I'm still looking forward to this.
post #132 of 150

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According to Tvshowsondvd.com there's a possibility that the sd dvd set may have exclusive features. OR it could just be features that are going to be on 4.5 set. The Blu-ray on the other hand has some very cool exclusive features. Check it out: Battlestar Galactica DVD news: Extras for Season 4.5 or The Complete Series from Amazon | TVShowsOnDVD.com
post #133 of 150

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According to Tvshowsondvd.com there's a possibility that the sd dvd set may have exclusive features. OR it could just be features that are going to be on 4.5 set.
I don't think there's anything to worry about. Based on other Universal Blu-rays, some of the features might be in the (awful) U Control but I think it's safe to assume that everything will be there from the DVDs.
post #134 of 150

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Amazon now has the DVD set for $168 which works out to $28 per set.
post #135 of 150

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Originally Posted by TravisR
Amazon now has the DVD set for $168 which works out to $28 per set.

But they had it for $195 and I was told it was NEVER going to be cheaper than that!
post #136 of 150

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Originally Posted by David Levine
But they had it for $195 and I was told it was NEVER going to be cheaper than that!


Wow!!! The first posting of mis-information out of 135!
post #137 of 150
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Michael, the Battlestar Galactica set is one of the most expensive sets ever released. How can you find this inflammatory? The set retails for $280, as indicated by Amazon. How is that telling everyone what's in their minds? I just stated a fact. If that SRP is in error, then blame Amazon. I just stated the facts from what I saw ... I'm not trying to anger anyone, but that is the information I have.

Take a look: http://www.amazon.com/Battlestar-Gal...735618&sr=1-21

Being that HTF is into the technology and entertainment news, I'm quite surprised that you don't remember this. It was all over the media outlets and had something to do with a retailer selling merchandise far below the acceptable discounted prices that retailers often sell at. Merchandisers fired back with lawsuits and refusing to allow these retailers to sell their merchandise.

It started when some retailers filed complaints with makers of LCD TV's, GPS Units and other electronics merchandise because one retailer was advertising prices lower than their competition and brought up the issue of price fixing.

Even Best Buy, Wal Mart's, and other retailers came under fire over selling merchandise far below established pricing structures that retailers are required to follow. One simple look at this weeks Best Buy website will reveal the problem. Take a look at their iPod listings. They don't list the sale price, only that you have to look at the price in your shopping cart, while they have discounted the prices on iPods by just $5.

Why do you think that Microsoft and Apple refuses to allow retailers to sell their products below the SRP that they set? It's also why manufacturers/companies have fired back at retailers by filing lawsuits against retailers over price-fixing, trying to force competitors in a certain market out of business.

It happened. The problem is that everybody thinks that Amazon's prices are everyday prices and I can assure you that they are not. Even the prices that David Levine stated won't be at those prices for long.

I can guarantee you that as soon as 20th Century Fox starts hearing complaints from retailers that Amazon is selling the X-Files Complete Series set at nearly 50% off that Amazon will be forced to remove that sales price.

Even at that price, that sales price on X-Files is only temporary at best ... just look at Amazon's listing for Jetson's Season 1, the original series. They have it listed at $20 and while I plan on ordering a copy of this release, nexst week it'll go back up to the $35-40 everyday price tag that they've been selling the set for.
post #138 of 150

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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge
Being that HTF is into the technology and entertainment news, I'm quite surprised that you don't remember this. It was all over the media outlets and had something to do with a retailer selling merchandise far below the acceptable discounted prices that retailers often sell at. Merchandisers fired back with lawsuits and refusing to allow these retailers to sell their merchandise.

It started when some retailers filed complaints with makers of LCD TV's, GPS Units and other electronics merchandise because one retailer was advertising prices lower than their competition and brought up the issue of price fixing.

Even Best Buy, Wal Mart's, and other retailers came under fire over selling merchandise far below established pricing structures that retailers are required to follow. One simple look at this weeks Best Buy website will reveal the problem. Take a look at their iPod listings. They don't list the sale price, only that you have to look at the price in your shopping cart, while they have discounted the prices on iPods by just $5.

Why do you think that Microsoft and Apple refuses to allow retailers to sell their products below the SRP that they set? It's also why manufacturers/companies have fired back at retailers by filing lawsuits against retailers over price-fixing, trying to force competitors in a certain market out of business.

Yes, this is fairly common knowledge with certain merchandise where manufacturers attempt to control the market pricing. Typically, merchandice where sales expertise and support are of value (e.g., hardware, as matching all your examples). So they protect the interest of their brick and mortar type shops from online pricing and gray market products.

I just don't see the relevance of stating this in a DVD thread. I have never seen DVD pricing or studios/distributors following this logic. If you want to provide clear cut examples to show how this relates to DVD pricing and sales, please do. Otherwise, the use of this rationale has no merit in this discussion.
post #139 of 150

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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge
Even at that price, that sales price on X-Files is only temporary at best ... just look at Amazon's listing for Jetson's Season 1, the original series. They have it listed at $20 and while I plan on ordering a copy of this release, nexst week it'll go back up to the $35-40 everyday price tag that they've been selling the set for.
I can't see the future but that's extremely unlikely. When the sale is over, it may go up to $25 or even $30 but I doubt the price will rise to the MSRP or 10% off the MSRP like you're saying.

And I agree that the price on The X-Files set is likely to be temporary (it is nearly half off), the rest of the prices listed are the norm. Just like those ones, the price on the BSG set will be close to the pre-order price in the weeks and months after it comes out and there won't be some dramatic price increase of $75 or $100.
post #140 of 150

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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge
Michael, the Battlestar Galactica set is one of the most expensive sets ever released. How can you find this inflammatory?
There you go again: telling people what they're thinking. I never said anything was "inflammatory" (though it's interesting that you went straight for that word). I asked you not to assume that no one in this thread but you has noticed the cost of this set, despite your many, many, many, many posts about it.

There comes a point (and you passed it several pages ago) where one must accept that further repetition doesn't strengthen an argument; it weakens it. You've made your case. It's time to move on.
post #141 of 150

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Mark, with all due resect, but why do you keep belaboring this point, when the real problem with this set is the omission of The Plan? That's what's so dissapointing about it.
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I don't have a problem with simply packaging all the previous releases in a bundle for a complete series, along with the original packaging - it's still the complete series. The only part of the BG release I'm not happy with is the pricing for the Blu version, which is what will keep me from buying into this series.

If I have been buying a show as released, it is annoying to have a complete set come out with extras I might want, a better format (NE with single sided discs and the parka pack) and/or a much lower combined price. I don't want to buy the same show/movie five times.

I won't be a bit surprised if BG gets another complete release in a deluxe edition once this set has fizzled in sales.
post #143 of 150

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Originally Posted by Jeff Ulmer
I won't be a bit surprised if BG gets another complete release in a deluxe edition once this set has fizzled in sales.

Who is to say it will fizzle in sales?
I see Universal doing what many studios do with cult/ sci-fi shows...selling what they can at a premium price point, then going down in price 6 months to a year later. Paramount does it all the time with Trek, and of course FOX does it with shows like The X Files.
Universal did it with the classic Galactica, and Buck Rogers. When those shows came to DVD, they cost about $100...street price (give or take 10 bucks, its been a while). But they were a premium price, and crap DVD-18s to boot! Now you can routinely find Buck Rogers for under $20. Course its been out for 7 or 8 years.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Ulmer
I don't have a problem with simply packaging all the previous releases in a bundle for a complete series, along with the original packaging - it's still the complete series. The only part of the BG release I'm not happy with is the pricing for the Blu version, which is what will keep me from buying into this series.

If I have been buying a show as released, it is annoying to have a complete set come out with extras I might want, a better format (NE with single sided discs and the parka pack) and/or a much lower combined price. I don't want to buy the same show/movie five times.

I won't be a bit surprised if BG gets another complete release in a deluxe edition once this set has fizzled in sales.

Except its now been shown that this isn't a bundle of existing sets. The SD set gets the same new packaging as the BR.
post #145 of 150

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Originally Posted by Jeff Ulmer
I won't be a bit surprised if BG gets another complete release in a deluxe edition once this set has fizzled in sales.
Considering the amount of extras that are going to be on the set, I can't imagine what they could add that would make enough fans spend another $250 or more on rebuying the entire series again. I'm sure someday they'll 'make' everyone rebuy it but I can't imagine that day coming until downloads become the norm.
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Michael, nothing, in any of my posts about the pricing on this set has been about telling people what they are thinking. In addition, I never said I was telling anyone what to think. If you go back and read my most recent posts, you would notice that I said that this set was;

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one of the most expensive sets ever produced

I'd like to know where I said that I was telling everyone what to think. I have never said anything like that ...

Since Amazon's price listing supports my statement, it's a fact, not mere speculation.

And, my original argument is that this set is a very disappointing release. The fact is that the majority of consumers who purchase DVD's make their purchases at a brick and mortar store. Since many retailers will be selling the sets at either full retail $279.99, some discount stores will have them discounted $259.99 (Best Buy, Target). Not only that, but these stores will look at the price tag and not stock very many.

I'm expecting that this set will fall flat on its face because of that very issue. Now, the deal on the price? Universal still doesn't get it and even Paramount didn't get it until CBS took control over the distribution of Paramount's DVD releases on the TV Shows. Complete Series sets are supposed to show a little incentive to consumers by making the price a little easier than the individual season sets.

The BG set is basically the same price as it is for the individual season sets. Even the MASH, Northern Exposure, Gilmore Girls, I Love Lucy, I Dream of Jeannie and many of the other sets were priced accordingly at $179.99 and the sets were better designed than this BG set. Yet the set is one of the most expensive ever produced.

I'm not continuing the argument but all you could have said was "sure, the set is one of the most expensive produced." Charmed is probably the only other set that is priced even higher than the BG set. That would have ended the argument.
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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge
I'm not continuing the argument but all you could have said was "sure, the set is one of the most expensive produced." Charmed is probably the only other set that is priced even higher than the BG set. That would have ended the argument.

Thats not telling people what to think?

Geez, Mark.

People dont take your side, they give reasons why they think its a good set, and you either dont listen, or you tell them...its overpriced, i dont like the box, its the same discs, its not a complete series...which technically it is, cause The Plan is a movie of the week...not an episode of the series...i know, splitting hairs. But damn, pick an issue and stick with it. Listen to what others think, and dont keep bringing up the same old stuff, if you dont like what they are saying.

If your sitting alone, or mostly alone in this issue (s)?, to bad. Some days you win one, some days you lose.

You keep dismissing when i ask, if you own, or are buying the individual season sets, or not? Thats your choice, but if your not gonna buy it until they "give it" to you, just wait. Why keep ragging?
post #148 of 150

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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge
Michael, nothing, in any of my posts about the pricing on this set has been about telling people what they are thinking.
I don't know whether you're being disingenuous or just lying. It's in black and white for all the world to see. You asked me (and I quoted back to you):

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the Battlestar Galactica set is one of the most expensive sets ever released. How can you find this inflammatory?
You cannot find anywhere in this thread where I have indicated, in words or substance, that you have said anything "inflammatory". Repetitious, tiresome and pointless, maybe, but not inflammatory. That's your word, shoved onto someone else. You do that a lot, in this thread and elsewhere.

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In addition, I never said I was telling anyone what to think.
Here's something else you do a lot: defend against an accusation that wasn't made. Nowhere in this thread have I accused you of telling people what to think (which is not to say that I couldn't). But by inventing the accusation, you give yourself a pretext to repeat your rants yet once more.

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That would have ended the argument.
As you have amply demonstrated on numerous occasions, the argument cannot end, because you will seize on any excuse to continue it -- and if one doesn't exist, you'll invent it. I've urged you to move on. You should take the advice.
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RickER, the set is one of the most expensive sets produced. How is that telling people what to think? I have never taken it either way about who is on what side or what. I just stated my opinion on the design of the set and about it being the most expeisnvie and I get accused of telling people what to think.

How did Michael or even you, RickER, come up with the idea that that particular statement is telling people what to think? I don't see how that is telling anyone what to think. Nobody can do that. While it would be great if I could force people to think what I'm thinking, it's just not possible.

Michael, it is not my intention to continue this ... I'm just confused by what you're so mad about. You said that I'm trying to tell everyone what to think but you won't elaborate. It would be nice if you were specific about it.

What I think happened is that you were offended that I was posting something negative about what I think about the design of this particular set and instead of saying "Mark, that is your opinion on the set" you say that I'm trying to tell people what to think trying to force me to stop posting.

I though this was an open public forum where we could discuss TV Show releases and the designs of these sets and instead I get thrashed on by the Admin especially when I didn't say anything that could be seen as threatening, flaming or whatever.

If you don't agree with my opinion that I think this is a poorly designed set, then state your own opinion. Simply saying that I'm telling others what to think while not alluding to what you meant is designed to scare members from posting. I think the HTF forums are great but it doesn't help when members are afraid to post their opinions on what they think of a particular design for a particular set.

And, I'm not continuing the argument just to continue it I simply said that this set was poorly designed. This is a view that is shared by other posting members in this topic. Then, someone else brought up the issue of pricing on the set. My issue isn't with the pricing but rather the design ...
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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge
You said that I'm trying to tell everyone what to think but you won't elaborate. It would be nice if you were specific about it.
I can't elaborate, because I never said any such thing. You can repeat it as many times as you want, but that won't make it true.

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What I think happened is that you were offended that I was posting something negative about what I think about the design of this particular set and instead of saying "Mark, that is your opinion on the set" you say that I'm trying to tell people what to think trying to force me to stop posting.
And again: I have never accused you of telling people what to think (although I could have). But you have, at long last, hit on something that I did say. I did tell you the equivalent of "Mark, that is your opinion on the set" -- back on page 1. It does not appear to have had much impact.

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I though this was an open public forum where we could discuss TV Show releases and the designs of these sets and instead I get thrashed on by the Admin especially when I didn't say anything that could be seen as threatening, flaming or whatever.
You haven't been "thrashed on". You've been disagreed with. As this thread amply documents, you don't deal well with disagreement.

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If you don't agree with my opinion that I think this is a poorly designed set, then state your own opinion. Simply saying that I'm telling others what to think while not alluding to what you meant is designed to scare members from posting. I think the HTF forums are great but it doesn't help when members are afraid to post their opinions on what they think of a particular design for a particular set.
I don't have an opinion on this set. I do, however, have an opinion on this thread, which is that it has long since ceased to serve any useful purpose.
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