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After reading through the news report over at TV Shows on DVD, I was very disappointed at Universal for what is simply just a failed attempt to quickly produce a complete series set. IN the event that nobody knows what I'm talking about, the only thing Universal is doing is simply repackaging or bundling the Season 1, Season 2.0, Season 2.4, Season 3, Season 4.0 and Season 4.5 sets into a bundled collection.

For a company who went the extra length and providing fans with Knight Rider, Northern Explosure, The Incredible Hulk and Miami Vice and offered something different than just repackaging the previous releases, it shows there are no original ideas coming out of the entertainment industry,

Knight Rider, Miami Vice and Northern Exposure offered fans single sided disks in their complete collection sets where the original releases were released as double sided disks. The Incredible Hulk was simply, also, a beautiful collection.

Battlestar Galactica? All Universal did was take the current sets and just bundled them together, collected in a hard plastic container with a Cylon toy. You can see an image of the set right here:

Battlestar Galactica DVD news: Release Date & Box Art for Battlestar Galactica - The Complete Series (DVD, Blu-ray) | TVShowsOnDVD.com

I'm just disappointed in Universal in this cheap attempt to pawn off a cheaply made complete series set. I half expected universal design, similar to either Miami Vice or maybe even the INcredible Hulk or Knight Rider collections.

Great job, Universal, at trashing another complete series set. Maybe they should be concentrating on an A-Team or Magnum P.I. Complete Series sets.

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With the existing sets, there's about 70 (yes, seventy) commentary tracks, extended and original versions of a few episodes, the webisodes, the Razor telemovie and ample behind the scenes featurettes. So what exactly should they have been added to these sets to meet your standards?
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Mark - did you not notice that the fans are getting something special in this collection - like you can get the discs in Blu-ray? That would be something the fans didn't get on their old DVDs.
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With the existing sets, there's about 70 (yes, seventy) commentary tracks, extended and original versions of a few episodes, the webisodes, the Razor telemovie and ample behind the scenes featurettes. So what exactly should they have been added to these sets to meet your standards?
I agree. Plus, if there were new extras added to the complete series set, everyone who's bought the individual sets, myself included, would be pissing and moaning that they have to buy them all over again for a new featurette or two.
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The original sets are pretty darn good. I wish some of them had a scene selection option, but other than that, I have no complaints - which is unusual for Universal DVDs.
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The complete series ON BLU-RAY within five months of the end of the series ... ! No complaints here.
The Sopranos couldn't even pull that off.
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The complete series ON BLU-RAY within five months of the end of the series ... ! No complaints here.

I agree......my only complaint is that I will have to buy the set again on Blu-Ray if I want the show in High-Def.....which I most definitely do!
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I agree......my only complaint is that I will have to buy the set again on Blu-Ray if I want the show in High-Def.....which I most definitely will!
For once, I got lucky and didn't buy the DVDs. I didn't get into the show until after S3 aired so I was waiting for a good sale on the DVDs and then the HD-DVD came out so then I figured I'd wait for a Blu-ray release (and amazingly, it's all coming at once).
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1. You mention a number of other double sided discs that Universal redid as single sided discs; that's not an option for BSG, IIRC. Aren't they all single sided, thereby alleviating that potential bonus?

2. All Paramount did for the big Queer as Folk series set was move the existing discs to a new package. Didn't Fox transplant the existing X Files discs into new packaging for that complete set? It's not unprecedented, nor terribly surprising, considering Uni is probably looking at this as another cog in the marketing for Caprica. By not having to redo a bunch of discs, the price can be kept down and allow for more people to get the whole she-bang.

I'm in for the BD set, as long as the price is under $200 or so.
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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge
Battlestar Galactica? All Universal did was take the current sets and just bundled them together, collected in a hard plastic container with a Cylon toy. You can see an image of the set right here:

Well, at least they didn't cram the dvds into a Cylon head and make you pay twice as much as it was worth...
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I knew all along that a complete set would be coming. What would've been great is if they would've added the extra scenes as part of the episode instead of having to click on them as an afterthought. I found that for 99% of the time, they would've added greatly to the episode. What are your thoughts on this?

I'm not sure what "bundled" means? I haven't seen the picture of the package but does that mean that the individual season sets have just been shrink wrapped into a larger set? If someone could explain, that would be great.

As for me, the show had just ended and I wasn't completely overwhelmed by the finale. Having said that, I'd wait a few years before diving into the BSG universe all over again. Hey, we all did that with Star Trek, why not BSG? In my opinion, television shows should go thru a few years of being shelved before we get all nostalgic for a great show and just have to own it. Twilight Zone is one, All in the Family, etc.
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I knew all along that a complete set would be coming. What would've been great is if they would've added the extra scenes as part of the episode instead of having to click on them as an afterthought. I found that for 99% of the time, they would've added greatly to the episode. What are your thoughts on this?

For this series, yes. A lot of what was cut was cut for time, not because it didn't make sense in the episode (according to RDM). I'll take the extra footage anyway I can get it, honestly. Maybe the BD will have some kind of branching option?

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I'm not sure what "bundled" means? I haven't seen the picture of the package but does that mean that the individual season sets have just been shrink wrapped into a larger set? If someone could explain, that would be great.

The already released season/half season sets are packaged in a box. Really, nothing more than that.
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I don't consider this a complete series set. All Universal did was just bundle the individual sets together. Just like what they did with Frasier, 7th Heaven, Jag, NCIS, and so on.

With Northern Exposure, Miami Vice, Incredible Hulk, Flintstones and every other complete series set, fans got something a little different. With Northern Exposure, Miami Vice, Knight Rider, fans got single sided disks. With Incredible Hulk and Knight, the CS sets were unique, just like Northern Exposure, where every disk was placed in a slimpack DVD case with special packaging to hold it in.

With Battlestar Galactica? Universal is just bundling all of the individual sets together, and slapping it together with a pretty case. It's not a complete series set and nobody should buy this set. Most of these sets simply discarded the original factory packaging and created a special case to house it in. Look at the BG set, throw in a special toy and call it a complete series set?

Sorry, but I'm not buying. I half expected some originality, possibly in the shape of the Galactica, with the DVD's similar packaged like Northern Exposure, Knight Rider and so on. I expected something a little more original.
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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge
I don't consider this a complete series set. All Universal did was just bundle the individual sets together. Just like what they did with Frasier, 7th Heaven, Jag, NCIS, and so on.

With Northern Exposure, Miami Vice, Incredible Hulk, Flintstones and every other complete series set, fans got something a little different. With Northern Exposure, Miami Vice, Knight Rider, fans got single sided disks. With Incredible Hulk and Knight, the CS sets were unique, just like Northern Exposure, where every disk was placed in a slimpack DVD case with special packaging to hold it in.

With Battlestar Galactica? Universal is just bundling all of the individual sets together, and slapping it together with a pretty case. It's not a complete series set and nobody should buy this set. Most of these sets simply discarded the original factory packaging and created a special case to house it in. Look at the BG set, throw in a special toy and call it a complete series set?

Sorry, but I'm not buying. I half expected some originality, possibly in the shape of the Galactica, with the DVD's similar packaged like Northern Exposure, Knight Rider and so on. I expected something a little more original.

Good lord man, it's the complete series. It comes with every episode, that's all it claims to be and all it needs to be.
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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge
I don't consider this a complete series set. All Universal did was just bundle the individual sets together. Just like what they did with Frasier, 7th Heaven, Jag, NCIS, and so on.

Mark, you can't have a complete series of NCIS on the shelf when the show in active production. All 11 seasons of 7th Heaven aren't out yet, either to further the point. Paramount releases the spiffy ST:TNG box set (a complete series) and bundled every season of the other respective shows into a set. Complete series = anything produced for that series. That makes no claim as to extras or bonus material.

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With Battlestar Galactica? Universal is just bundling all of the individual sets together, and slapping it together with a pretty case. It's not a complete series set and nobody should buy this set.

Yeah, it is. Every episode from the Miniseries through the finale is included, along with the webisodes. That's complete.
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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge
I don't consider this a complete series set. All Universal did was just bundle the individual sets together. Just like what they did with Frasier, 7th Heaven, Jag, NCIS, and so on.

Now you've really fallen into the "impossible to please" category. You're willing to say that the Miami Vice series is a "complete Series" boxset because they split the flippers. You're beyond splitting hairs.

If it has everything from the original series run: It's a Complete Series.
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Every episode from the Miniseries through the finale is included, along with the webisodes. That's complete.
Sorry, the definition of 'complete' is "having all parts or elements; lacking nothing; whole; entire; full" so eventhough this meets that criteria, it's clearly not a complete set.
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So the Blu-Ray IS a "Complete Series" because its not a bundle of previously available product, but the SD is NOT a "Complete Series" because the old sets weren't taken apart and reassembled in a fancy box?

Am I getting close?
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Apparently, everyone is confused. The set that TV Shows reported on is not a complete series set, it's merely the bundled package of all of the sets released for the series.

Also, I never said that NCIS, Jag, etc, had complete series sets. If you notice, those studios have released bundled sets of previous releases into an affordable package.

Also, I classify an actual complete series set in the same fashion as Miami Vice, Flintstones, Knight Rider, King of Queens, Seinfeld, etc.

Simply just bundling previous sets (Season 1, 2.0, 2.5, 3, 4.0 and 4.5) into a bundled package and tossing in a free toy does not make it a complete series set. It is, and I repeat, a bundled DVD package, that happens to include every factory released set for this series.

Apparently, nobody has figured out the problem I have with this. It's a bundled package, not a complete series set, despite containing every individual set release.
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But "Bundled Package" tells the consumer NOTHING about what they're getting. "Complete Series" describes EXACTLY what they are getting.

I think maybe the term you are looking for isn't "Complete Series", but "Collector's Set". The first term simply denotes what is inside - how it is packaged is irrelevant. The second term denotes added value and something unique.
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Fine. The DVD set is a bloody bundled package and those of us getting the BD get the Complete Series. Is everyone happy now?
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nevermind
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Apparently, everyone is confused.
No one is confused. People just don't share your view. That's an experience we all have to get used to, at one point or another.
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Thanks, Michael. It's not my attempt to create an argument, I'm just trying to provide some ground for why I think this set is being poorly put together by Universal.

Actually, the term "Complete Series" has become synonymous in the home video industry as a 'complete collection' of an entire series that includes original packaging.

As in the case of shows like Frasier, where Paramount took all 11 seasons and bundled them together and like other shows like Star Trek Enterprise and the like. In this case, they are bundled collections, and I emphasize the word "collections."

Battlestar Galactica, the upcoming release, is merely that, a collection, it's not a complete series despite the fact that it contains every episode. You can't bundle previous releases (Season 1, 2.0, etc) together and call it a brand new release.

Universal's release of this set is like GM taking the exterior shell of a 2009 Chevy and placing it on a 2003 Chevy and calling it a brand new vehicle.

This is what Universal has done.

And, for the record, I'm not debating the term "Complete Series," I'm debating the fact that Universal is simply bundling previous season sets together, factory sealed sets of Seasons 1-4 and just repackaging them together in a fancy box and calling it a complete series set.

While it's true that, in the technical sense, that this release contains every episode, it's not, by definition of the complete series sets that have come before, a "complete series set" as defined by what has come before. Just look at the Charmed, I Love Lucy, Sanford and Son, Northern Exposure ....

I'm merely saying that while these complete series sets have mostly contained the original manufacturing DVD's, the complete series sets that have housed these DVD's had been completely redesigned, not simply re-bundled, slapped together, and calling it a complete series set.
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\While it's true that, in the technical sense, that this release contains every episode, it's not, by definition of the complete series sets that have come before, a "complete series set" as defined by what has come before. Just look at the Charmed, I Love Lucy, Sanford and Son, Northern Exposure ....

I'm merely saying that while these complete series sets have mostly contained the original manufacturing DVD's, the complete series sets that have housed these DVD's had been completely redesigned, not simply re-bundled, slapped together, and calling it a complete series set.

That's your definition and expectation. This isn't a bait and switch. You want a Deluxe Edition - which by definition is the Blu-ray set.
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Personally, I've come to prefer the bundling of season sets to make up a series collection. This is nothing against Mark's desire for something special in a series collection, but just that it seems they continue to screw it up.

They appear so focused on coming up with something clever and attractive that they lose site of the fact that the container needs to protect and preserve its contents as well. While they always seem to start out looking cool, it is just a matter of time before you hear all the gripes about the packaging from a long term storage standpoint (e.g., cardboard sleeves, scratches/smudges, glue, difficulty getting disks out).

If they want to make something really special that also protects the disks, I'm all for it. Otherwise, just give me a single box with a bunch of thinpack containers, and nice artwork.
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It's all semantics. Personally I have no problem with them calling a repackage of standalone sets, thrown into an overall 'container' of some sorts, a "Complete Series", since that is absolutely technically correct. For instance, I have the "Complete Series" of ST:TOS that quite literally just took the three individual seasons and placed them in a cardboard holder and shrink-wrapped the lot. In contrast my ST:TNG (and DS9) is 7 individual season sets. So what?

FWIW, I'm getting the Blu-rays. Whatever you want to call them. To date I've bought S1 to 3 and Razor on DVD, haven't got 4.0 yet and won't get 4.5 either since I'll just be getting the BD set. But for the BDs coming out, I would have bought 4.0 and 4.5 individually, and passed on the "Complete Series", since I already had it, so to speak. Which is your right as the consumer.

Just to fuel the debate: what if the discs are identical, down to the artwork, but have simply been repackaged in a nifty new package, rather than having the separate individual season sets stuffed into a 'container'? I'm not sure if this was the case with MASH, although MASH also included the 2-disc movie set, and a new disc of extra material -- which they then sold individually as well so fans who had bought 11 individual seasons weren't screwed over either. Well done to Fox on that one
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If you already own the show on DVD...its a safe bet you dont need to buy the complete series. Unless you gotta have the box. Blu-ray, now thats a whole new story. I own season 1-3 on DVD, and i would buy the show again, on Blu-ray for the right price. We will see.

I really dont get what your problem is Mark, if you own the show already, dont buy it. If you dont own it, or if you want it on Blu-ray, buy it!
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Yeah, I really don't see why someone who's been fence-sitting all this time wouldn't be thrilled to pick up every single episode at a new price-point, no matter how it's packaged. Though, it won't technically be considered a "complete series" release until the upcoming The Plan movie gets included, but the fact that you're getting every last episode, plus Razor, plus the webisodes, plus everything else sundry and assorted will probably be enough to get the uncommitted to finally throw down for these.

RDM has also confirmed that the Blu-Ray release will be containing brand-new commentaries for all of the episodes in the Season 1, Season 2.0, and Season 2.5 sets that didn't originally feature them.

Evidently Moore recorded podcasts for several of these episodes, which showed up on the Sci-Fi website upon broadcast, but which for some weird reason weren't ported over to the DVD sets. And there are several others (particularly in Season 1) for which he never originally recorded any at all, and for which he's now apparently done so.
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Corey, that's not my definition. The entertainment industry set that definition just by how complete series sets have been released before. And I have examples of this:

The Flintstones, Gilmore Girls, Little House on the Prarie, Seinfeld, Knight Rider, Northern Exposure, King of Queens, I Dream of Jeannie, Angel, Roswell, MacGyver, X-Files, Stargate SG-1 ...

Just one simple examination of the packaging shows just how the sets were put together. These sets were not bundled sets of previous releases but rather an all new packaging using just the DVD's that were manufacturered before.

I'm simply saying that the Battlestar Galactica is not that. All Universal did was just bundle the previous releases together. Come up with every explanation or excuse you want, but in the end, the Battlestar Galactica set is just that, a re-bundled collection ...
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