Home Theater Forum › Home Theater Forum › Other Diversions › After Hours Lounge › Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
We are all familiar with the unsettling demise of some and downsizing of many newspapers in this country. A great industry appears to many to be in its death throes. And, of course, I am an editor at one, Los Angeles' daily for the legal community.

The Los Angeles Times, however, has always been special to me. And for most of my years, it has been a daily ritual to read the newspaper of record on the West Coast -- and, since the early 1970s, one of the four or five greatest newspapers in the country.

No more, however. Ever since the Chandler family sold its ownership of the Times to the Chicago Tribune at the end of the twentieth century, every change made at the paper has only resulted in a product that is not as good as before. For me, it all started with the sacking of the Times's most popular columnist, Robert Scheer. What I had heard was that the Tribune's publisher simply did not like Scheer's work (which was -- and is -- very much left of center).

Add to that the scandal that erupted around the Staples Center entertainment complex in downtown, in which top editors at the Times basically gave in and did a promotion of the Staples Center in what was, to me, a horrifying Sunday edition, and things did not look so hot.

Over the years, the Tribune only made matters worse. Typestyle formats were changed and resulted in what looked like a knock off of the New York Times. The "Los Angeles" section (or Section B) was changed in 2001 to the "California" section, to "broaden" its appeal, and entire offices located outside the Spring Street complex, along with those editions of the Times were shuttered altogether.

Then Sam Zell purchased the Times from the Tribune and brought to the newspaper his utter disregard for news per se and instituted a strictly bottom-line orientation to the paper.

As a result, the editorial staff has been halved. And that "California" section? Dropped completely. All the while, still more changes have been done to the paper's layout, its logo, and its coverage. (Don't get me started on the paper having dropped entirely its separate Sunday book review supplement.)

This morning, another disturbing change. One of my favorite remaining columnists, Rosa Brooks, turned in her final column. She is taking a job in the current administration, only too ready to leave what she believes is a dying industry.

As for me, I am beginning to wonder why I even still purchase the Los Angeles Times. I mean, look at the cover of this morning's edition, with the bottom of the front page and part of the left side dominated by advertising.

It didn't used to be this way. And I am thinking of giving up on this once-proud institution. So sad.

To the residents of the increasing number of towns and cities who are witnessing the shuttering of newspapers and/or the cessation of home deliveries or the conversion to "online editions" only, I feel for you and I know what it is like.
post #2 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

The amazing thing about the newspaper business is that to cut costs, they have to diminish their product, which drives away more readers, which means they have to cut costs, etc. It would be like the car companies cutting costs by removing the wheels.
post #3 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

The roll of shuttering newspapers is getting longer. On the west coast the LA Times, SF Chronicle, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, and others appear to be in poor health.

Could you imagine a day when the "newspaper of record" for California is the San Jose Mercury-News?
post #4 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

I'll miss Rosa Brooks, as well, although I think Tim Rutten is still doing superb work.

To be honest, though, I thought Jack's original post was in reference to today's controversy, which in some ways may turn out to be as bad as the Staples Center debacle: the fake news story on the Front Page, no less, which is actually an ad for the new TV show, Southland. I've already heard reports about this controversy on local radio, and there is also a link in the news area at IMDB.
post #5 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

In what seems like another lifetime, I used to live in San Diego and I subscribed to the Sunday edition of the Times. I always looked forward to my morning coffee with the Times.

There was a time when the news departments of the major networks were not expected to make money, but report the news. Now they're profit centers like any other department. Well, at least we still have print Newspaper people used to own and publish the papers, now the papers are owned by business men. Where is the investigative journalism going to come from?

If a newspaper can't make it in a large city like LA, where can a paper thrive? I've not read the Times in years, but I too mourn it's decline.
post #6 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

And in other breaking news, the Los Angeles Daily Journal has announced it will partner in a joint operating agreement with The Onion. It is not yet clear how much overlap exists in the editorial staff of the two papers. Clearly the Daily Journal and its glossy magazine, California Lawyer, have it all over The Onion in humor content since they present the facts of the cases of recent lawyer disbarment hearings.

Jack, you may need to advance your "plan B". My brother and nephew are both journalists and I see things from their perspective. The brother is going to die poor at a small town print newspaper. My nephew has already bailed from the Knight-Ridder then McClatchey chains to a major web-based news outlet.
post #7 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Harris
The amazing thing about the newspaper business is that to cut costs, they have to diminish their product, which drives away more readers, which means they have to cut costs, etc. It would be like the car companies cutting costs by removing the wheels.

Our local paper also just raised its prices this week. 25 cents a day, so daily is now 75 cents, Sunday $2 (that's a 50% increase for a daily paper). So not only a diminished product, they charge more.

I stopped home delivery in January, they've stripped it down so much the past few years.

They've dumped loads of columns, changed to a skinnier page/small font design and dropped movie/music/DVD and restaurant reviews. Would pick up a daily once in a while and almost always the Sunday version, but after the price hike, I'm done.

When a company puts out a product that continually drops in quality, then they raise prices, I stop buying.
post #8 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

Quote:
There was a time when the news departments of the major networks were not expected to make money, but report the news. Now they're profit centers like any other department.

The problem with print journalism is that there are no longer any profit centers.

Consider the former profit centers which enabled newspaper publishing.

1) General classified ads - see Craigslist.
2) Real estate ads - see Redfin and Zillow, plus RE is in the toilet now.
3) Automotive dealer ads - nobody is buying cars anymore.
4) Legal notices - the legal community will end up online. (The IP law community is already there with cheap online sites for "defensive publications".)
post #9 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

Here's an idea Jack. Color advertising inserts are moving more and more away from newspapers to "junk mail". Why not ban junk mail so they will have to go back to the newspapers? This would be an indirect subsidy to print journalism without the conflict of interest involved in direct government subsidies (which by the way are being considered in Congress as we speak ).
post #10 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

On the plus side, I've just learned that The Los Angeles Free Press has returned!
post #11 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

The print newspaper business in this area has really been hit hard, and the remaining product is not very attractive. The Detroit News and Detroit Free Press entered a joint operating agreement several years ago, and now home delivery has been reduced to three days per week (Thursday, Friday and Sunday) as of last week. The weekday paper now has little interesting content, and for the first time in my life I am considering discontinuing home delivery.
post #12 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Briggs
To the residents of the increasing number of towns and cities who are witnessing the shuttering of newspapers and/or the cessation of home deliveries or the conversion to "online editions" only, I feel for you and I know what it is like.
The problem with a lot of local newspapers now is that they have two or three local reporters for each section, and fill the rest with wire copy. I live in Albany, and there was a time when the news bureau in the capitol had its own press club it was so large. Now it looks like this:

Now you have the big three from NYC, a few from the bigger upstate cities, the AP and a few other wire and/or subscription services. As a result, state government is more opaque than ever and communities have less of a voice in what their representatives are doing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Harris
The amazing thing about the newspaper business is that to cut costs, they have to diminish their product, which drives away more readers, which means they have to cut costs, etc. It would be like the car companies cutting costs by removing the wheels.
Print journalism is a people-intensive business, and there's no getting around that. Cut the copy editors, and the quality declines. Cut reporters, and the quality declines. Cut from six columns to six (as most of the major broadsheets have), and the quality declines.

Newspapers owned by wealthy families did the best because they were viewed as a public service instead of a profit-generator. As you note, the overhead-cutting measures are self-defeating.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Angell
There was a time when the news departments of the major networks were not expected to make money, but report the news. Now they're profit centers like any other department.
While the quality of the evening news broadcasts has declined in recent years, the FCC mandate still ensures that the 6:30 PM broadcasts are the most serious news on television. Watch NBC Nightly News for a half-hour, and you're likely to get more substantial news than watching MSNBC (or Fox, or CNN) for three hours. There seems to be an inverse relationship between the amount of time you need to fill and the quality of the content being presented. At least the networks still strive for impartiality, instead of making liberal or conservative pundits bloviating for 60 minutes each the headline acts.
Quote:
Newspaper people used to own and publish the papers, now the papers are owned by business men. Where is the investigative journalism going to come from?
This is what gets me when people postulate that newspapers are no longer necessary in the age of the blog. The vast majority of bloggers never leave their office, simply aggregating the news reported by newspapers in an arrangement that suits their point-of-view. Someone trustworthy actually needs to make the phone calls, chase the leads and get the interviews. Preferably someone who is accountable to an assignment editor and whose work goes through a copy editor for clarity and accuracy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Nicholls
Jack, you may need to advance your "plan B". My brother and nephew are both journalists and I see things from their perspective. The brother is going to die poor at a small town print newspaper. My nephew has already bailed from the Knight-Ridder then McClatchey chains to a major web-based news outlet.
I finished my Bachelor of Science in print and multimedia journalism last year. Right now, I'm using the multimedia part of that degree as a web designer for a local company part-time, and the full-time jobs I'm applying for have nothing to do with journalism. One friend got a job with the Christian Science Monitor (which has since cut back to a weekly); another eventually got a job with the Daily Comet down in Louisiana after getting back from covering the Olympics in China. The rest are working a similar hodge-podge of jobs to my own situation. In the last couple months, we've lost the Rocky Mountain News, the Seattle Post-Intelligencier -- and it looks like the Boston Globe may be next. The vast majority of remaining regional dailies are making huge staffing reductions, and even the local weeklies in a lot of markets are cutting back. Until the market bottoms out and the field downsizes accordingly, it's going to be a very tough industry to break into.
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

Speaking of weeklies, Los Angeles's two alternative weeklies, the once lionized LA Weekly and the more diminutive Los Angeles CityBeat, have both gone through ownership changes and, in the case of the Weekly, having been taken over by publishers who are hostile to the paper (!).

The Weekly, which until a year ago had been considered just about the best alternative weekly in the country (yes, better than the Village Voice, which now owns it), is now seriously downsized and its staff under instruction to stop being "so leftwing" and to stop taking on national topics. It has gone from being an award-winning paper to a thin and frivolous echo of a once superb noise.

Also, because someone whom I personally despise, having had a horrible working relationship with and whom I consider to be sociopathic, is writing a column for it, I sadly have stopped looking at the Weekly.

(For the record, I used to be a writer and editor at Los Angeles's previous "second alternative weekly," the late, great Los Angeles Reader.)

Essentially, Los Angeles has become something of a media wasteland, with the exception of its top public television station, KCET-TV.

And public television is now my primary source for personal satisfaction. If not for PBS ...
post #14 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

I haven't bought a regular daily newspaper for a long time now (I do read the local paper's website, though). They're mostly filled with advertising, day-old wire service news that is readily available online in a timely manner, and precious little "local" news. They also recently downsized the physical size of the pages while the price keeps jumping up ($1 for daily edition now).

But our local daily is a family-owned venture and recently ran an editorial saying they were in good shape compared with the large city papers owned by the big conglomerates.
post #15 of 15

Re: Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper

The LA Times (a disgrace for the last several years IMO) is in hot water for running an ad that looks like a news story. On the front page. And it was THEIR idea!

Times' front-page ad sparks outcry - Los Angeles Times
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: After Hours Lounge
Home Theater Forum › Home Theater Forum › Other Diversions › After Hours Lounge › Los Angeles Times: Once a Great Newspaper