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No SACD's but possibly blu ray at some point.

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Vinyl era compilation? Are you serious? That's your argument???


There is no logic to that. Real Love and Free as a Bird were two singles and putting them on Past Master Volume 2 would give them representation in the collection.



Exactly, including those two songs would be an updated version of that.

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Not exactly. The Live at the Hollywood Bowl album is still OOP, the Christmas flexis have never seen a wide release, and the 1982 "The Beatles Movie Medley" (a surprisingly well-edited Stars on 45-esque track with the original recordings) has never been released on a legit CD. There's ample space on Past Masters for that last one at least; even if it wasn't entirely a commissioned piece, it's worth hearing.

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Yes, that and the fact that the "Let it Be"-era stuff was released within 4 months of the breakup as opposed to nearly 26 years afterwards (and 16 years after Lennon's death) in the case of the "Anthology" releases. I'm still amazed that this is a difficult concept to grasp.


What I've yet to see is the logic focusing on the two newest Beatles recordings on a release focusing on upgrading the oldest CD releases. You are literally the only person I've seen calling for these tracks to be included, and I've read the impossibly-long Hoffman forum threads. I need to get a new cellphone and I'd like it if one of these box sets included a kickass new Blackberry or something but that doesn't mean it would be an appropriate inclusion in this collection.

Again, they belong on the Anthology releases and the unanimous consensus is that those releases sound much better than the original '87 releases AND they're still available.

This isn't intended to be a complete collection of Beatles recordings, nor is it a complete collection of Beatles singles. Once again, this is an upgrade of the outdated '87 releases (and that's precise, everything points to it being identical to the track) and I fail to see anything that suggests otherwise. Maybe you can start a petition to get everything from BBC Sessions to "LOVE" remastered and included in a more comprehensive box set but that's not what this is.

You also seem to be hung up on the fact that these two tracks were issued as singles. "Past Masters" was never strictly a singles comp. There are singles, b-sides, compilation tracks, alternate versions etc. It's very much an odds-and-sods collection of tracks and I fail to see how "FaaB" and "RL" are any more eligible for this kind of release than the other 153 "Anthology" tracks, and again, those are still readily available... on "Anthology" 1, 2 and 3. "Bad Boy" and the "Wildlife" version of "Across the Universe" aren't singles or b-sides so why are they more eligible than all the non-single "Anthology" tracks?

But yeah, this is getting ridiculous. If you want those two tracks you can buy the singles (you're obviously aware that they exist) or you can buy the Anthology releases. This has been the case for the past 13 years. You don't need to wait until 9-9-09 for that. If you want CD copies of the 62-70 "canon" that aren't embarrassingly-outdated that is something that will have to wait until 9-9-09 and that's what we should be discussing.

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They should be included because it allow for these two hits to be represented in the collection as this is the time that it is being updated.

I read Hoffman too so what?

I am not hung up on anything. I am merely stating that it's an opportunity to include them.

But by all means go on about arbitrary narrowly defined era's etc etc.

Whether or not I own the Anthology collections is not relevant to my point.

Nor I am debating the merits of the Across the Universe on Past Masters vs the inclusion of other anthology songs because that is irrelevant as well.

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Is the single version of A Day In The Life anywhere in either of these boxes?

I'll be buying both boxsets on day of release and have been holding off on owning several Beatles discs while waiting on this. Can't wait!

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But they're not updating the tracklists or anything. Once again, that's not the intention.

"Free as a Bird" and "Real Love" obviously aren't on the agenda. It's that simple. You've done a very good job of establishing that you have an idea of what this release should include that isn't shared by anyone else. I've scanned the official Apple/EMI press release and I haven't seen your name so I see this:


and I just have to say that my point is that your point is irrelevant.

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I am merely stating that it's an opportunity to add them on there since they are 2 hits from the group.

But you don't care because they weren't on vinyl in the 1960's.

Your point is noted.

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I also don't care because they're already well-represented and widely available on CD. I can walk about 15 feet from where I'm sitting and get my copies in a matter of seconds.

Ultimately this project is a 4-year effort to remaster material that needed to be remastered whereas what you want is something that anyone with a CD burner can do.

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So are other songs, so what?

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I don't care about the other songs that are widely available in acceptable quality.

I care about the material that is only represented on outdated 22-year-old CD's.

So I'm very pleased that they are addressing that specific issue.

I have 16 crappy-sounding Beatles CDs from 1987 that will be replaced by 16 new CDs on 09-09-09.

How "Free as a Bird" and "Real Love" even enter into the equation is beyond me.

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you don't care. they are not part of your equation. fine. you have established that and it should be irrelevant to you if these two songs are at the end of Past Masters Vol 2.

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They weren't on Past Masters 2 before so why should they be now?

Maybe they should just release "Past Masters Volume 3" and call it "The Beatles Anthology".

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Ok for the 10th time, because they are revising the collection, now is the opportunity to have 2 hits represented since there's room and the perfect spot for them. It's hardly unusual to update a comp on later editions.

It's not that difficult to grasp.

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Who said they're revising the collection? Actually, the fact that they aren't revising the collection seems to be your main sticking point.

They're remastering the existing releases. There are no bonus tracks and no other changes in the configuration. The only arguable change is the combination of "Past Masters" into a single volume and even that was released as a double-album on vinyl and probably would have been released as a double-CD if those double-disc holders used on other Beatles releases were widely available then. The first edition of the white album was two individual CD cases in a longbox so it's not much of a stretch to see why the "Past Masters" volumes were even released individually in the first place.

But what this all comes down to is your belief that this release should be something that it's not. It's not about adding tracks, it's about taking 1987 CD releases and bringing them up to the standards of today. They could easily take other "Anthology" tracks and use them to supplement the other albums, most of which barely use half of a CD's capacity. They just aren't doing that. Again, the 3 Anthology releases exist as a pretty comprehensive collection of "bonus tracks" as-is, they're readily available and not in need of remastering like the recordings that have been remastered.

Is that really so hard to understand?

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They are going back to it to make changes.

As noted in the release - the remastering, liner notes etc.

I am aware of what they doing. I don't know if you are being dense on purpose or what. Again, I merely suggesting that there is room to include these two hits and since they are updating the collection, this is an opportunity to do that.

I am not making this to be something that it is not, I am merely suggesting:

I merely suggesting that there is room to include these two hits and since they are updating the collection, this is an opportunity to do that.

That's all. They are just putting remastered discs in the same packaging, they are updating it so again, sorry that my suggest upsets your world, but it's just an opportunity that's all.

Why is it that hard for you to understand?

Please before you ignore every word that I have typed over and over again - please just read my simple suggestion until you understand. I am not trying to be rude... you are just not grasping my point.

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Without dragging myself too far into this particular argument - since when were those two songs "hits"? I've heard about these two songs since they were included on the Anthology... but I have never actually heard them.

Probably because I don't have the Anthology. I have the book, but not the CD.

Did they actually chart at some point and I missed it?

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They were notable because they were the first Beatles songs released in over 25 years.

They both met with a pretty mixed reception. They don't particularly sound like Beatles tracks, they sound like what they are: Lennon demos overdubbed by much older men and produced by someone other than George Martin. That's not a bash on Jeff Lynne or McCartney, Harrison or Starr, it's just that the whole equation doesn't result in something that would even be appropriate in this collection. If anything, they even stick out like a sore thumb in the Anthology.

But again, there is a lot of empty CD space on these releases and literally one person in the entire world thinks these songs should be added to this space whereas literally everyone else (including the powers that be) seems to be on the same page.

Once again, this is something that can be resolved in a CD burner. If you want "Past Masters" with "Free as a Bird" and "Real Love" included then burn a copy. Nobody else does.

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They did chart, and yes - you did miss them. Free As A Bird peaked at No.6 in 1995, and Real Love reached No.11 in 1996.

You might have heard Real Love on TV commercials advertising Anthology 2.

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They are part of the history whether you like it or not. If by chance they were to be included at the end of the wildly varied sounding Past Masters 2 (varied in song styles) then you could always stop the disc before Free started.

Why should the songs sound like the 60s, it was the 90s...

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So are all the other "Anthology" tracks and they aren't included...

probably because they're already well-represented and widely available.

As for your suggestion that I stop the disc before "Free as a Bird" starts, I won't have to worry about that. I would have to borrow your burned disc for that to be an issue.

I'll be perfectly happy to listen to the new remastered "Past Masters" and find that it ends with "You Know My Name" just like I'm perfectly happy to break out my perfectly-fine copies of "The Beatles Anthology" if I do want to listen to "Free as a Bird" and "Real Love". Again, I am on the same page as the people behind these releases. You are literally the only person arguing that these tracks belong in this release.


Why should songs that don't need to be remastered be included in a remastered box set?

Right now if you want the songs on "Past Masters" you can go to the store and buy "Past Masters". If you want the songs on "The Beatles Anthology" you can go to the store and buy "The Beatles Anthology". You're literally the only person I've ever encountered who seems to object to this.

That's going to be the same situation on 09-09-09, it's just that the "Past Masters" tracks will sound a lot better than the ones you can get now.

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Also: Amazon.com has their US prices up: $18.98 for the 12 single-disc albums and $24.98 for the two double albums. That adds up to $277.72. They don't have either box set listed.

On one hand I have a little voice telling me that this is list price and that nobody will actually charge this (Amazon.com has months to lower the price) but on the other hand I can't help but be reminded that the prices NEVER dropped on the '87 releases. Right now you can buy the current White Album on Amazon.com for a little less than $25.

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This is one of those very few releases on any format (CD, DVD, BD, etc.) that they could charge MSRP and I will buy them. Something tells me they know that...

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To Bill and Albert,
Just remember: "All you need is Love..Love; Love is all you need"

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Can you provide links? I can't find anything about these when I search Amazon's website.

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Go to Amazon.com, search for "Beatles" under "music" and sort by release date.

The 2009 releases will be towards the top. There are actually a few singles listed first with a 2010 release date but I don't know if that's something actually in the pipeline or just more Amazon.com preorder listing weirdness.

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[Sheila Broflovski]"What, what,WHAT??"[/Sheila Broflovski]

You're joking, right? There was never a single for ADITL. It did appear clean on the "Imagine: John Lennon" soundtrack CD. Post breakup singles from Capitol/EMI, using the original catalogue following the dissolution of their EMI contract renewal, included "Got To Get You Into My Life" (to shill 'Rock & Roll Music'), the unissued "Girl" (for 'Love Songs'), "Sgt. Pepper/With A Little Help..." (to get mileage out of the p.o.s. Bee Gees movie), and the novelty "Movie Medley" (borrowing from the 'Stars on 45' phoenom).

The entire CD collection (with the exception of MMT, using the American release listing) uses the British release pattern, where (usually) albums were albums, and singles were their own entity - only 2 EPs featured original content - others compiled singles or lifted album tracks (of course, as mentioned MMT got the expanded release, since it did well enough as a UK import to warrant its own release there. The German vinyl pressing was the absolute best version - The MFSL LP used the US 2nd gen. master tape).