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post #691 of 1171
7/8/09 at 10:11pm
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I'm wondering if the Jays will deal Halladay within their division/league...

I know I wouldn't.  Things are tough enough.
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post #692 of 1171
7/8/09 at 10:57pm

I'm thinking the Jays have to be blown away by an offer before they deal Halladay and if the best offer came from the Sox or Yanks, they'll make the deal.  Remember, the Yanks got Cone and Clemens from Toronto.  However with that being said, the Sox or Yanks aren't getting Halladay unless they give up Buchholz, Joba or Hughes.  I don't think a Bowden, Masterson, McAllister or somebody in that class of prospect is going to do.  It's going to take at least 2 "A" prospects and a couple of "B" prospects. 

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post #693 of 1171
7/9/09 at 6:03pm
there are reports that the phils are this close to signing Pedro.

please Phils don't sign Pedro.
If this happened they would surely be out of the running for Halladay.

Edited by TonyD - 7/10/2009 at 04:12 pm GMT
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post #694 of 1171
7/9/09 at 7:42pm
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Tony:  if you've never watched Pedro pitch much...you are in for a treat. 

He's a wizard.  He's a wizard on the downside, but as he showed during the WBC, he's still got "it."
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post #695 of 1171
7/9/09 at 8:25pm
Mike,

I heard last night that the Jays are probably not going to let Halladay sign with any team in the AL East. I didn't know that they had that kind of control over whom he signs with.

The BoSox bullpen let us down yet again tonight. Delcarmen and Ramirez have been mediocre at best lately.
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post #696 of 1171
7/9/09 at 8:27pm
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Since Halladay is still under contract to the Jays, they've got every bit of say over where he goes for the duration of that contract. 

A disappointing loss indeed tonight.  They've got to do better than that. 
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post #697 of 1171
7/9/09 at 8:36pm
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Since Halladay is still under contract to the Jays, they've got every bit of say over where he goes for the duration of that contract.

Doc has veto power over any trade, just like Peavy with the Padres. Peavy's already veto'd a trade or two the Padres wanted to do.  i think it was Chicago or Phillie or both?
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post #698 of 1171
7/9/09 at 9:47pm
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Doc has veto power over any trade, just like Peavy with the Padres. Peavy's already veto'd a trade or two the Padres wanted to do.  i think it was Chicago or Phillie or both?

Sure.  The fact that both sides need to agree really limits things.  I was just responding to Scott's point about the Jays control over where Halladay goes. 
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post #699 of 1171
7/10/09 at 6:47am
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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon View Post

Tony:  if you've never watched Pedro pitch much...you are in for a treat. 

He's a wizard.  He's a wizard on the downside, but as he showed during the WBC, he's still got "it."
 

Remy's said there were times in spring training where Pedro would tell the batter his changeup was coming, and the batter would still swing and miss.  For 3-4 years in his prime, he was the best I've ever seen . . . and I saw Clemens in his prime.  Pedro was Clemens, with 2 more out pitches.
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post #700 of 1171
7/10/09 at 7:05am
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Pedro was Clemens, with 2 more out pitches.
 

With less power but much nastier stuff.  I love watching the movement on his pitches.  You shake your head and wonder. 
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post #701 of 1171
7/10/09 at 9:13am
who is Remy's?
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post #702 of 1171
7/10/09 at 10:15am
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who is Remy's?
 


Jerry Remy, former Sox 2nd baseman, and the finest color commentator in the business.  Beloved by all of Red Sox nation for his baseball knowledge and instinctively perfect pacing of a broadcast.  Currently out of action due to his battle with lung cancer. 


Get well soon Remdog, even with the inimitable Eck filling in, Sox broadcasts aren't the same without you.
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post #703 of 1171
7/10/09 at 1:51pm
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Get well soon Remdog, even with the inimitable Eck filling in, Sox broadcasts aren't the same without you.
Every time I have tears in my eyes and a pain in my stomach from the laughter, I wonder how others can watch ball games without such commentary.

Remember when Manny was rubbing the head of Tavarez? Jerry and Don were laughing so hard that they couldn't talk the entire inning.


and back on the topic of people getting struck by baseballs. Did they actually show Erin Andrews getting beaned on TV??
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Never-scare-us-like-that-about-Erin-Andrews-agai?urn=ncaaf,175760
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post #704 of 1171
7/10/09 at 3:55pm
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Every time I have tears in my eyes and a pain in my stomach from the laughter, I wonder how others can watch ball games without such commentary.

Remember when Manny was rubbing the head of Tavarez? Jerry and Don were laughing so hard that they couldn't talk the entire inning.


 
Exactly.  Jerry, first with McDonough, and now with Orsillo, knows that some games are just plain boring, and no "Here's my excited over dramatic voice!" call of a routine fly is going to change that.  So they joke and laugh, and check out girls, and make fun of the people in the luxury seats, and make general chit chat, just to liven things up.  As I've said before, they know a liner to right in a 10-2 game is not the same as a walk off home run in the 9th.  Too many announcers think their call is what makes the game, instead of the game dictating their call.

My favorite was when they were speculating that Manny used the "facilities" in the Wall, and every time they brought up Tavarez.  They should have kept Julian just for the laughs that nut brought to the booth.

PS - By the way Mark, were you watching last night when Eck blurted out the answer to the AFLAC quiz?  Don didn't even wait until the bottom of the inning, he just said "Since Eck ruined it for all, we might as well show the answer now." and they put the answer up.
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post #705 of 1171
7/10/09 at 4:11pm
i don't watch alot of Sox broadcasts, but i remember last year there was an old guy with a thick new england accent, who was that?  i haven't heard him in a while.Submit
also, Heidi Watney - WOW.  (not as hot as Erin Andrews, but in the same ballpark (pun intended)
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post #706 of 1171
7/10/09 at 4:20pm
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i don't watch alot of Sox broadcasts, but i remember last year there was an old guy with a thick new england accent, who was that?  i haven't heard him in a while.Submit
also, Heidi Watney - WOW.  (not as hot as Erin Andrews, but in the same ballpark (pun intended)
 

Although he'd rebuff the "old" part (he's a young 56), that would be Jerry Remy.  He was born in Fall River and grew up in Somerset, and he was on some of the teams (like '78) that really, really hated the Yankees (and he still does).  Unusual for a Red Sox player, his game was bunting and speed.  He was also tough as nails and would stand in at 2nd and take a clean out in order to make a play.  This led to many knee injuries, which led to his demise from the game after 9 seasons.
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post #707 of 1171
7/10/09 at 4:31pm
okay, i thought maybe that's who you guys were talking about.  i actually enjoyed hearing him as he had at least some degree of impartiality as opposed to the Yankee's cheerleader Michael Kay.
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post #708 of 1171
7/10/09 at 5:22pm
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PS - By the way Mark, were you watching last night when Eck blurted out the answer to the AFLAC quiz?  Don didn't even wait until the bottom of the inning, he just said "Since Eck ruined it for all, we might as well show the answer now." and they put the answer up.
Damn, I was watching at a bar and couldn't hear...I can just hear the laughter. LOL

At first, I was so upset that Eck was filling in (because he was so dull at first), but he and Don have had some pretty funny conversations....but definitely nothing like the Rem Dawg.  I love when Jerry will do one inning where he throws off the commentator role and just cheers on the Sox. LOL - Those are classic.
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post #709 of 1171
7/10/09 at 6:01pm
If Kay is a Yankee cheerleader than why do so many Yankee fans hate him because they think he's always negative about the Yankees?  John Sterling is a Yankee cheerleader and a very poor announcer too.
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post #710 of 1171
7/10/09 at 9:10pm
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If Kay is a Yankee cheerleader than why do so many Yankee fans hate him because they think he's always negative about the Yankees?  John Sterling is a Yankee cheerleader and a very poor announcer too.

Because some Yankee fans can be oversensitive to ANY criticism of their team. 

Kay is first and foremost a homer...although in the Yankee universe of announcers (Sterling, Waldman, Singleton, Cone, Leiter, O'Neill, Flaherty) he is one of the few who will question things.  And he will occasionally play devil's advocate to (in my opinion) give his boothmate the opportunity to slap the idea down.    But even a little devil's avocate will cause some Yankee fans to question his "pinstripes."

Yankee management did a disservice to their fans by not renewing their relationship with Jim Kaat when they had the opportunity this season. 
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post #711 of 1171
7/11/09 at 6:34am
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Because some Yankee fans can be oversensitive to ANY criticism of their team. 

Kay is first and foremost a homer...although in the Yankee universe of announcers (Sterling, Waldman, Singleton, Cone, Leiter, O'Neill, Flaherty) he is one of the few who will question things.  And he will occasionally play devil's advocate to (in my opinion) give his boothmate the opportunity to slap the idea down.    But even a little devil's avocate will cause some Yankee fans to question his "pinstripes."

Yankee management did a disservice to their fans by not renewing their relationship with Jim Kaat when they had the opportunity this season. 

 


Excuse me if I take what a Red Sox fan says about the Yankees with a large grain of salt.  By the way, Cone and Flaherty have questioned the Yankees this year about how they should use Hughes and Chamberlain.

Since you're a Red Sox fan are any of the Red Sox announcers homers?
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post #712 of 1171
7/11/09 at 6:36am
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Excuse me if I take what a Red Sox fan says about the Yankees with a large grain of salt.  By the way, Cone and Flaherty have questioned the Yankees this year about how they should use Hughes and Chamberlain.

Are any of the Red Sox announcers homers since you basically stated that all of the Yankee ones are? 
 
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post #713 of 1171
7/11/09 at 1:08pm
So, was anyone fortunate enough to see the no-hitter thrown by Sanchez last night?  My, he was one play away from a perfect game (error on the third baseman).
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post #714 of 1171
7/11/09 at 6:45pm
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And a great catch by centerfielder Aaron Rowand in the 9th to keep the no-hitter alive.
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post #715 of 1171
7/11/09 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon View Post

And a great catch by centerfielder Aaron Rowand in the 9th to keep the no-hitter alive.
 
That was a routine catch anyone could have made in their sleep.

;)

Okay, so the Sox won their game tonight, 15-9.  I'm still concerned about their bullpen, and I think I have good reason to be.  Smoltz pitches really well (he left with a 9-1 lead -- that's two consecutive starts whereby he's pitched quite well), yet Masterson and Delcarmen come in and give up five runs.  And to top it off, Okajima (where is the 2007 version of this man, anyway?) comes in and gets a strikeout to end the inning, but then gives up a homer and two singles to the first three batters the next inning, only to be bailed out by Bard (thank goodness).  Methinks the Red Sox bullpen is keeping other teams around too long.  This is not a bullpen that is getting the job done in many instances.

Addendum: And Bard gives up two more runs in the top of the eighth....  The Red Sox lead 9-1, and give up eight runs in three innings?  I'm thankful that they have responded with some firepower of their own in the bottom of the seventh and eighth innings; otherwise, this game could have been quite depressing ... and even more ugly than it already is (four errors, and I think one of them was changed back to a hit).
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post #716 of 1171
7/12/09 at 12:08am
I joked with a friend (when I saw Masterson pitching with a 9-1 lead) and said "Well, at least he can give up his 5 runs and the Sox would still be ahead!

and yeah, what's up with Delcarmen??
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post #717 of 1171
7/12/09 at 7:50am
Mark,

I've actually been rather impressed with Masterson since last year, and into this year. For the most part, he's been pitching rather well. I don't know what happened yesterday. Maybe some of the credit ought to go to the Royals.

As for Delcarmen (and Ramirez, for that matter), I have no idea.
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post #718 of 1171
7/12/09 at 8:10pm
Yeah, I thought Masterson has been rock solid up until the past few games he pitched. Remember the game when he gave up 5 runs in one inning?
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post #719 of 1171
7/13/09 at 8:00am
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I love the All-Star Game.  Always have.

It has always seemed so cool that players who don't really know each other can still take the field as a team and play a reasonably sound game.  Most major leaguers seem to "get" the honor of being selected and getting to play in the game (even in this day and age of the overpriced, jaded athlete).  And, for those who don't "get it"...too bad.  It's their loss. 

I am baffled by those who think the over-hyped ESPN home run derby contest has somehow become more popular than the All-Star Game itself.  I don't have anything against the idea of a home run derby.  I played countless games of wiffleball HR derby as a kid and loved the old TV series (great on DVD, BTW!).  And, I'll usually watch--even if it means having to suffer through the ungodly pairing of Chris Berman and Joe Morgan to do it (who EVER came up with that?!?) and the obnoxiously late starting time (VERY BAD for kids to be able to enjoy).

But there's something magical about an All-Star Game.  Whether it's the pre-game activities honoring past players (I cannot believe it's been ten years since the '99 game at Fenway and they brought Ted Williams onto the field before the game among all the current players).  Or, whether it's the fun of watching players from rival teams enjoy each other's company on the dugout steps as the game progresses.  Not to mention the awesome match-ups that can be found during the game of the best pitchers from each league facing the best hitters from the other league (another reason I can't stand interleague play). 

I wish home field advantage for the World Series wasn't connected to the All-Star Game.  A return to the rotating schedule or, better yet, best regular season record would be preferred. 

But what a terrific moment in any baseball season--when the best players get together and show off their stuff against the rest of the best. 
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post #720 of 1171
7/13/09 at 9:42am
Mike,

I'm with you all the way on this (All-Star Game).  I am looking forward to the Derby tonight, and the game tomorrow night. :)

Go American League!

BTW, I do cheer and root for the Yankee players in this game. :)
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