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post #421 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:43pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
I always believe what I want and I think what you're saying isn't the reality of that situation.

Anyhow, I let you have the last word as I won't respond any further because we're not getting anywhere here.

gee thanks.
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post #422 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:44pm

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anyway, it's been fun watching the phils quietly move up to the second best
record in baseball behind the dodgers who they will be playing the rest of the week.
should be fun.
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post #423 of 1171
6/4/09 at 3:11pm

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Patrick: From a distance it looks like a pretty weak move by Braves management. Pissy way to treat one of your biggest stars. How does it look from close-up?

Half of me thinks it's payback for Glavine leaving for the Mets 5 years ago, and half of me thinks it just too bad, but money is money, and they didn't think 80mph was going to cut it in the big leagues (tell that to Jamie Moyer and knuckler Tim Wakefield) when you have young arms (Hanson) supposedly ready for their time in the spotlight.
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post #424 of 1171
6/4/09 at 5:00pm

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Randy Johnson just won his 300th career game, 5-1, though Giants closer Brian Wilson made it interesting in the bottom of the 8th. He came within inches of walking Adam Dunn with the bases loaded, which would have tied the game (the score was 2-1 at that point, SF scored 3 runs in the top of the 9th). But the 3-2 pitch was called a strike to end the inning. Coincidentally, Johnson gets 300 against the Nats, the franchise with which he began his major league career (as the Expos, of course).

How long until the next 300-game winner? Unless Moyer pitches until he's about 50 to get 50 more wins (not gonna happen), it'll be a long time. Here's a good SI article on the topic.

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re: Padilla. How do you suspend a player who isn't on a team?
Apparently, pretty easily. A minor leaguer, who is a free agent, was just suspended 100 games yesterday for violating the drug policy. The suspension will begin if/when he gets signed by someone.
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post #425 of 1171
6/4/09 at 8:16pm

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Personally, I think Tex's slide was the perfect response. At least he's got a fire in his belly and knows good hardnosed baseball.
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post #426 of 1171
6/4/09 at 8:23pm

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I disagree, I think it was weak.

If he really wanted to get into it he would have gone out to Padilla and
settled it with him once and for all.
Instead he complained and whined about it all the way up to first base until his manager had to come out and give him a hug,
then went after the fielder while he was in a defenseless position.

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post #427 of 1171
6/4/09 at 10:15pm
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But, Tony, breaking up a double play with a hard slide into second is appropriate baseball at any time...whether your ticked-off you've been hit by a pitch or not.

I would hope he'd make that same slide at any other time he's got the opportunity.

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I wish fans at ballparks would be more vocal with their displeasure about players who don't play the game hard enough. I think of all the Mets who lately have decided to stop running to first base on a batted ball. Most recently a Met popped up to the catcher in fair territory--and got thrown out (by a lot) because the catcher dropped the ball and threw to first. The runner clearly would hae had enough time to have beaten the play and been safe. The way the Mets are losing games lately that type of play (and it seems rampant on that team) should not be tolerated. Well, it never should be.

Melky Cabrera (he of the recent late inning heroics) hit the winning HR in today's Yankee game. Right after contact, he posed and watched the ball. When he decided that it might not be a HR, he decided he better run to first (it barely made it into the first row of the left-field seats). After he rounded first and realized it was a HR, he immediately slowed it down to a leisurely trot.

And you all know how I felt about that kind of behavior by Manny when he was on the Red Sox. Not that he would have even decided to run hard to first for fear the ball wasn't going out...

I read this week that the Tigers had a team meeting after the announcement of the GM situation. Jim Leyland reminded his players that a lot of the people they play for will be losing their jobs and that the Tiger players should not take their jobs for granted. He reminded them of the importance of hustling on every play because it was expected by the fans, by him and the coaches and of themselves.

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"We actually had a team meeting about it," said Tigers manager Jim Leyland, who grew up in Perrysburg, Ohio, where he had a job cutting windshields for GM cars. "I told the guys, 'This is not a year to not run out ground balls.' We get a check every two weeks, and there are people who just found out they ain't getting a check. We've got to pinch ourselves and realize how lucky we are."

I told a buddy the other day all young players should be required to watch games featuring Pete Rose. I used to hate Pete when I was younger and he was playing. I sure do appreciate, though, now, how he used to play the game.
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post #428 of 1171
6/4/09 at 10:39pm

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
But, Tony, breaking up a double play with a hard slide into second is appropriate baseball at any time...whether your ticked-off you've been hit by a pitch or not.

I would hope he'd make that same slide at any other time he's got the opportunity.


I agree completely unless the intention is just to injure the guy which is what Texiera was trying to do more then being concerned about a double play.
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This one is also mostly great.


what?
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post #429 of 1171
6/5/09 at 5:35am

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Originally Posted by TonyD
I disagree, I think it was weak.

If he really wanted to get into it he would have gone out to Padilla and
settled it with him once and for all.
Instead he complained and whined about it all the way up to first base until his manager had to come out and give him a hug,
then went after the fielder while he was in a defenseless position.
What gets me about the whole deal is that Burnett got the suspension for throwing at a Texas player, WTF ?
The first pitch that hit Tex was up and in and grazed his sleeve, the second one hit him square in the wallet. There was obviously a history between these two. I give credit to the ump for not issuing the warnings 'till after Burnett did what he had to do. He basically let the players settle it (yeah, with retaliation). I really like the intensity that Tex brings with him. Burnett earned some cred with his teammates for protecting Tex. Seemed like it was all over the next game; no monkey business, just baseball.
I didn't see Melky 'styling' after the HR but if I were him, I'd just put my head down and run. He's not that far removed from his stint in the minors.
Speaking of Melky, this might be of some amusement value:

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post #430 of 1171
6/5/09 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by LewB
Speaking of Melky, this might be of some amusement value:

What the heck is that, Lew?!?
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post #431 of 1171
6/5/09 at 7:06am

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The problem with "playing the game hard" is that it makes you look like a goon....although, maybe the reason for that is because most players have a lackadaisical approach which makes any real effort look 'over-the-top'??

Youk always gets this response because he puts 110% into everything he does.
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post #432 of 1171
6/5/09 at 7:35am

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
I used to hate Pete when I was younger and he was playing. I sure do appreciate, though, now, how he used to play the game.
Mike,

Those are my exact sentiments regarding Pete Rose. You nailed it there.

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Youk always gets this response because he puts 110% into everything he does.
The Youker is my favorite player for the BoSox. I do love his game -- every aspect of it.
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post #433 of 1171
6/5/09 at 9:22am

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I agree completely unless the intention is just to injure the guy which is what Texiera was trying to do more then being concerned about a double play.

the SS/2B on Texas didn't seem to have a problem with the play.

got this from another board:

"Tex is 2 for 8 with 2 HR, 2BB, 4 HBP against Padilla lifetime"
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post #434 of 1171
6/5/09 at 10:17am

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Originally Posted by MarkHastings
The problem with "playing the game hard" is that it makes you look like a goon....although, maybe the reason for that is because most players have a lackadaisical approach which makes any real effort look 'over-the-top'??

Youk always gets this response because he puts 110% into everything he does.

I think that's a good point.
in the first inning of the Phils/Dodgers last night Juan Pierre led off
with a single and then tried to steal second, a straight steal, but
furcal swings at a bad pitch and fouls it off, (should have seen the look on Pierre's face.)
then grounds into a double play.
Now everyone was surprised because furcal was out by plenty
on a tough dp for the Phils, it looked liked he didn't run, decided
it was a dp so didn't go all out on the play.

So I think it's a combo of lazy play and lack
of baseball smarts going around in the league.

last week with the phills down 2 in the ninth no outs Victorino
tries to steal 2nd and gets thrown out with Matt Stairs at the plate.
Not a smart play.
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post #435 of 1171
6/5/09 at 11:01am

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Originally Posted by EricW
got this from another board:

"Tex is 2 for 8 with 2 HR, 2BB, 4 HBP against Padilla lifetime"

Wow. So he's batting .250, and has two hits -- each of them home runs. But look at that HBP stat! Something is up, which a poster above alluded to the other day.

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
There is some history between Padilla and Texiera. This isn't the first time he has hit Tex. Also, there appears to be an issue from when they were teammates.
Robert,

Do you happen to have any more info. on this, or could you lead me in the right direction? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
By the way, Gibson is my favorite player of all-time, but he at least batted so he didn't leave his teammates to take the revenge for his actions.
Gibson was phenomenal in his day. I watched him pitch many times in the late 1960s, and he was a magician on the mound. What an ERA in 1968. (In fact, what a year in general for baseball in 1968 -- so many thrilling memories for me. I had no idea at the time that we may have seen our last 30-game winner when it was occurring.)
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post #436 of 1171
6/5/09 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by Ockeghem
I had no idea at the time that we may have seen our last 30-game winner when it was occurring.)

And we may have seen, last night, our last 300 game winner ever.
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post #437 of 1171
6/5/09 at 11:18am

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the first 2 times Tex faced Padilla, Tex homered. the 3rd time, he got hit.
Tex brought it up to him directly when they became teammates but i don't know where that went.
now flash forward to the present, Tex gets hit twice.
so, in 14 plate appearances, he's been hit 4 times.
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post #438 of 1171
6/5/09 at 11:57am

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Originally Posted by EricW
the first 2 times Tex faced Padilla, Tex homered. the 3rd time, he got hit.
Tex brought it up to him directly when they became teammates but i don't know where that went.
now flash forward to the present, Tex gets hit twice.
so, in 14 plate appearances, he's been hit 4 times.
Eric,

Thanks. Well, I suppose that hitting a batter will keep them from getting more home runs.

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
And we may have seen, last night, our last 300 game winner ever.
Mike,

Why do you say that? Is it because there are fewer approaching that goal in our lifetime, or is it because of something else? Shorter rotations? Fewer decisions?
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post #439 of 1171
6/5/09 at 12:03pm

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take a look at the active wins leaders.

jamie moyer is at the top with 250.

Historical Leaders | MLB.com: Stats

Pettit with 220 is the only one close.
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post #440 of 1171
6/5/09 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by Ockeghem
Mike,

Why do you say that? Is it because there are fewer approaching that goal in our lifetime, or is it because of something else? Shorter rotations? Fewer decisions?

Pretty much the same reasons it'll be tough to ever get another 30 game winner: Longer rotations, increased injuries/attention to medical care, pitch counts...and an overall attitude to "baby" starting pitching. I don't necessarily mean that in the negative sense. It's just that ballclubs invest so much $$$ into their starting pitching nowadays, they tend to want to be sure they don't "pull a Koufax" with one of their pitchers and blow out their arm at a young age. Each season that Koufax posted wins of 25, 26 & 27 (against single digit losses), he pitched 311, 325 & 335 innings! You look at the IP of someone like Walter Johnson (417 wins) and wonder how he ever pitched for 20 years.

Andy Pettitte has never pitched more than 240 innings in any season.

And, IP is just one indicator of the way pitchers have less chance to win 30/300. You can look at a bunch of other stats like games started, etc.
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post #441 of 1171
6/5/09 at 12:23pm

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i wonder how close to 300 Smoltz would be if he hadn't closed those years.
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post #442 of 1171
6/6/09 at 5:54pm

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I'm pleased David Ortiz just hit a home run for Boston, but the big story right now is John Lester. I really hope I don't regret writing this right now.

Lester has ten strikeouts and a perfect game through six innings (the BoSox are leading the Rangers 8-0). He's retired the first eighteen batters he's faced, and from what I've seen of him, he looks like he's in the zone bigtime. If he gets through the seventh inning perfect, I really hope MLB Network cuts into the game....

This is quite exciting if you're a Red Sox fan. (Heck, possible perfect games are fun for all baseball fans, aren't they? )
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post #443 of 1171
6/6/09 at 6:00pm

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Pretty much the same reasons it'll be tough to ever get another 30 game winner: Longer rotations, increased injuries/attention to medical care, pitch counts...and an overall attitude to "baby" starting pitching. I don't necessarily mean that in the negative sense. It's just that ballclubs invest so much $$$ into their starting pitching nowadays, they tend to want to be sure they don't "pull a Koufax" with one of their pitchers and blow out their arm at a young age. Each season that Koufax posted wins of 25, 26 & 27 (against single digit losses), he pitched 311, 325 & 335 innings! You look at the IP of someone like Walter Johnson (417 wins) and wonder how he ever pitched for 20 years.

Andy Pettitte has never pitched more than 240 innings in any season.

And, IP is just one indicator of the way pitchers have less chance to win 30/300. You can look at a bunch of other stats like games started, etc.

Mike,

Those are excellent reasons. I was just curious why you didn't think it would ever happen again. You may well be right.

I remember when Steve Carlton flirted with it (27); his making it close was one of the most exciting things of that season for me.

BTW, Lester's perfect game and no-hit bid just ended with one out in the seventh. Maybe I shouldn't have written about it.
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post #444 of 1171
6/6/09 at 6:16pm

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Carlton won 27 on a team that only won 59 games.
I can't even imagine how many he would have won if that team was good.
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post #445 of 1171
6/7/09 at 1:37pm

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Back on 4/5, in my predictions, I posted:
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West: Angels (if only Texas had some pitching, I think they could make a run for the division)
And now two months into the season, they're tied with the Red Sox for the best record in the AL after taking two out of three at Fenway this weekend (after going winless in seven games in Boston last season). I knew they had a good team but even I wasn't expecting this. The Rangers are for real. Everyone expected them to hit but I don't think many people expected their pitching to be this good.

I'd like to see them go out and try to get another established pitcher to solidify their rotation a little more (after all you can't really trust a guy like Padilla, though he pitched well again today).
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post #446 of 1171
6/7/09 at 8:08pm

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^^^

The Rangers certainly looked good in their three-game series with the BoSox this weekend. Part of that may have to do with Boston having some pretty shoddy pitching (outside of Lester); however, I thought they (Texas) showed a pretty good defensive infield in the two games I saw.

On another note, I'm really impressed with Edwin Jackson. He's the real deal. I don't know if the gun was correct yesterday, but he was throwing 99 m.p.h. in the ninth inning in the Tigers' victory over the Angels. He and Verlander are quite the one-two punch for Detroit.
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post #447 of 1171
6/8/09 at 7:42am

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Originally Posted by Scott_J
Back on 4/5, in my predictions, I posted:

And now two months into the season, they're tied with the Red Sox for the best record in the AL after taking two out of three at Fenway this weekend (after going winless in seven games in Boston last season). I knew they had a good team but even I wasn't expecting this. The Rangers are for real. Everyone expected them to hit but I don't think many people expected their pitching to be this good.

I'd like to see them go out and try to get another established pitcher to solidify their rotation a little more (after all you can't really trust a guy like Padilla, though he pitched well again today).
Actually, they're tie with the Yankees for the best record in the AL. Also, Padilla as I stated never left the Rangers roster.
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post #448 of 1171
6/8/09 at 8:19am

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Right, but he has been put on waivers, just no one has claimed him.

it was mentioned during the tbs game yesterday.
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post #449 of 1171
6/8/09 at 8:22am

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What the heck is that, Lew?!?

Melky with porn star Mary Cary, I'm assuming missing the good parts.
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post #450 of 1171
6/8/09 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Also, Padilla as I stated never left the Rangers roster.

That was annoyingly evident yesterday...
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