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post #391 of 1171
6/3/09 at 7:52am

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Originally Posted by MarkHastings
And what's up with Paps? He pulled a Matsuzaka by loading the bases (with no outs) then striking out the next 3 batters.

Classic, but heartache inducing.

Mark,

I know, that was odd. I'm not sure what's going on. Three straight singles, and then three straight strikeouts. Hmmm.

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I like the playoff structure as it now stands. I also think that the team with the best record ought to have the extra home game in the World Series, as opposed to the team in the league that wins the All-Star Game. I realize why they changed it to this, but last year, Francona -- in order to win the game -- almost had to do the unthinkable as he began to have fewer pitchers left to use. I think it should be like the NBA and NHL, in other words.
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post #392 of 1171
6/3/09 at 8:15am

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Papelbon's been doing that all year. The word is that he and the team have changed his mechanics a fair amount because his old ones were causing soreness or the like. It looks like they've traded some control or command (whatever "command" is) for less injury risk.

Speculation is that the Red Sox front office believes Papelbon doesn't have that long a shelf life, and Daniel Bard is the heir apparent to that position.
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post #393 of 1171
6/3/09 at 8:30am

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^^ My brother is starting to call him Papelbomb from all the homers he's been giving up.
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The word is that he and the team have changed his mechanics a fair amount because his old ones were causing soreness or the like. It looks like they've traded some control or command (whatever "command" is) for less injury risk.
Eck mentioned last night how he was amazed that Paps wasn't throwing a lot of fast balls like he used to.
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post #394 of 1171
6/3/09 at 5:17pm

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Mark and Jason,

I have noticed a change in the way he holds his glove (and is the drop to the waist gone?) Anyway, the home runs don't concern me too much. His ERA is great, and he's doing a very good job. However, the strikeout-to-walk ratio is a bit of a cause for concern, I think.
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post #395 of 1171
6/3/09 at 8:33pm

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I guess Smoltz is looking better and better in terms of moving on to the Red Sox, and getting to leave on his terms. Glavine definitely got released due to the money he would have been paid just for being on the team at those milestones.
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post #396 of 1171
6/3/09 at 9:50pm
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Patrick: From a distance it looks like a pretty weak move by Braves management. Pissy way to treat one of your biggest stars. How does it look from close-up?
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post #397 of 1171
6/3/09 at 9:54pm
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Originally Posted by Philip Hamm
Got tickets to the Nationals game tonight! Hopefully the rain will hold up enough for the game to happen. Possibly I will witness baseball history.

Philip:

How late were you at the ballpark tonight? Get a little wet? Beaned by any hailstones?

Are your tickets good for tomorrow's game? If so, can you go?

I hope so...on all counts (except the rain/hailstone parts!).
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post #398 of 1171
6/4/09 at 8:37am

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Last night, I was waiting to see how Beckett would do after he brought his no-hit bid into the sixth. When he got the first two outs in the seventh, I was really getting quite excited. Of course, we could not watch the game due to it being blacked out, but the radio and computer were working just fine.

I really thought the Yankees would mount a comeback from 4-2 down in either the eighth or the ninth last night. I was surprised that that score held up.
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post #399 of 1171
6/4/09 at 9:37am
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Much like the Josh Beckett suspension earlier this season, AJ Burnett has now been suspended 6 games for throwing up & in at the Ranger's Nelson Cruz a couple of days ago.

Meanwhile the Ranger's pitcher in that game, Vincente Padilla (who HIT a couple of guys AND threw up & in at a couple of other guys AND has since been released by his club(!) for such behavior) walks away with some undisclosed fines.

Idiotic.
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post #400 of 1171
6/4/09 at 9:39am

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Much like the Josh Beckett suspension earlier this season, AJ Burnett has now been suspended 6 games for throwing up & in at the Ranger's Nelson Cruz a couple of days ago.

Meanwhile the Ranger's pitcher in that game, Vincente Padilla (who HIT a couple of guys AND threw up & in at a couple of other guys AND has since been released by his club(!) for such behavior) walks away with some undisclosed fines.

Idiotic.

Looks like MLB is using the Colin Campbell book on issuing player discipline.
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post #401 of 1171
6/4/09 at 9:40am

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^^^

True, but at least the ruling in both instances was consistent.
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post #402 of 1171
6/4/09 at 9:47am

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Much like the Josh Beckett suspension earlier this season, AJ Burnett has now been suspended 6 games for throwing up & in at the Ranger's Nelson Cruz a couple of days ago.

Meanwhile the Ranger's pitcher in that game, Vincente Padilla (who HIT a couple of guys AND threw up & in at a couple of other guys AND has since been released by his club(!) for such behavior) walks away with some undisclosed fines.

Idiotic.
I don't have a problem with the suspension except Padilla not being suspended for starting it. I just don't understand that thought process. Bob Watson should know what Padilla did was on purpose.
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post #403 of 1171
6/4/09 at 9:48am

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Originally Posted by Ockeghem
^^^

True, but at least the ruling in both instances was consistent.
Hopefully, the appeal result will be consistent too.
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post #404 of 1171
6/4/09 at 9:55am
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That's just it. If Watson isn't going to have to explain himself and the rationale behind his decisions, how is anyone ever supposed to know the potential impact of their behavior? As it is now, he seems clueless.

Maybe he had some impact on the release of Padilla by the Rangers? If so, maybe that would change things. It would seem wholly inappropriate, but it's the kind of decision that sparks the mind to ponder outrageous scenarios as real possibilities.

It was surprising to hear Padilla's teammates (and ex-teammates) talk about how pissed they would get at him for putting them in the position of being constantly hit by opposing pitchers.

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Hopefully, the appeal result will be consistent too.

Agreed.
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post #405 of 1171
6/4/09 at 11:57am

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during the rally inning in today's Yankee game, i swear Kay pronounced Cabrera's name as "Monkey Cabrera". it's only funny because that's how my 6 year old niece has pronounced it for years
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post #406 of 1171
6/4/09 at 12:12pm

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Originally Posted by Ockeghem
Last night, I was waiting to see how Beckett would do after he brought his no-hit bid into the sixth. When he got the first two outs in the seventh, I was really getting quite excited. Of course, we could not watch the game due to it being blacked out, but the radio and computer were working just fine.

You couldn't watch it on the local channel? That was some wacky game!

re: Padilla. How do you suspend a player who isn't on a team?
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post #407 of 1171
6/4/09 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by Aaron Silverman
re: Padilla. How do you suspend a player who isn't on a team?

Yeah. I was thinking about that. I figured that any team that might pick him up would have to realize he wouldn't be eligible for x number of games. Of course, there's probably some easy way around that, too.
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post #408 of 1171
6/4/09 at 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by Aaron Silverman
re: Padilla. How do you suspend a player who isn't on a team?
He is still on the team in uniform and sitting on their bench.
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post #409 of 1171
6/4/09 at 12:56pm

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padilla is not on a team right now.
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post #410 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:13pm

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Originally Posted by TonyD
padilla is not on a team right now.
Then my eyes must be playing games with me since YES kept showing him in the their dugout.
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post #411 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:18pm

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
That's just it. If Watson isn't going to have to explain himself and the rationale behind his decisions, how is anyone ever supposed to know the potential impact of their behavior? As it is now, he seems clueless.

Maybe he had some impact on the release of Padilla by the Rangers? If so, maybe that would change things. It would seem wholly inappropriate, but it's the kind of decision that sparks the mind to ponder outrageous scenarios as real possibilities.

It was surprising to hear Padilla's teammates (and ex-teammates) talk about how pissed they would get at him for putting them in the position of being constantly hit by opposing pitchers.

Agreed.
so am I, unless Padilla has a personal issue with texiera and just plunks
him for that reason.

Whenever i hear former players talk, they seem appreciative of a pitcher
hitting a guy to protect there own players.



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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
I don't have a problem with the suspension except Padilla not being suspended for starting it. I just don't understand that thought process. Bob Watson should know what Padilla did was on purpose.


this is my post from earlier this season, seems like it can apply
for my thoughts now, too.
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Originally Posted by TonyD
so what if he did.
pitchers used to be allowed to control the game with inside pitches and pitches that had a meaning.
not anymore.
Beckett threw a pitch a foot away from Abreu's head, wasn't even close.
the mistake here was the umpire, they need to
stop giving batters time this late into the pitch.
It was Umpire's fault anything happened.


also Bob watson is a boob.

Pitchers get tossed and get warnings for throwing inside without ever hitting anyone. ridiculous
and watson gives out suspensions for the same.

It's a joke.

Bob Gibson

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I wonder how Gibson would deal with this nonsense of not being
allowed to throw inside.


If pitchers get supended for thowing up and in,
Texiera should get suspended for his cowardly take out after he was hit
by padilla.
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post #412 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:29pm

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Originally Posted by TonyD
so am I, unless Padilla has a personal issue with texiera and just plunks
him for that reason.

Whenever i hear former players talk, they seem appreciative of a pitcher
hitting a guy to protect there own players.






this is my post from earlier this season, seems like it can apply
for my thoughts now, too.


I wonder how Gibson would deal with this nonsense of not being
allowed to throw inside.


If pitchers get supended for thowing up and in,
Texiera should get suspended for his cowardly take out after he was hit
by padilla.
Tony,
There is some history between Padilla and Texiera. This isn't the first time he has hit Tex. Also, there appears to be an issue from when they were teammates.

By the way, what Tex did at second is nothing different from what I've seen in baseball games for almost 50 years and he did touch 2nd base with that hard slide.

I hope you're not letting your anti-Yankee feelings cloud your judgement here.

By the way, Gibson is my favorite player of all-time, but he at least batted so he didn't leave his teammates to take the revenge for his actions.
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post #413 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:29pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Then my eyes must be playing games with me since YES kept showing him in the their dugout.
Right, there was a report on mlb.com that he was waived
after yesterdays game but he seems to still be on the team.

Mike just a few posts back indicated that
he thought Padilla was released.

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/ar...=.jsp&c_id=tex
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post #414 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:32pm

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no not a yankee thing, I'm still not really thinking of Texiera as a yankee anyway, just a hired gun who happens to be on the yanks right now.
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post #415 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:33pm

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Originally Posted by TonyD
no not a yankee thing, I'm still not really thinking of Texiera as a yankee anyway, just a hired gun who happens to be on the yanks right now.
Yeah right.
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post #416 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:37pm

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ok believe what you want.
What texiera did wasn't any differnt then a pitcher throwing at a batter because he doesn't like him or any other reason.

if a pitcher gets suspended then a cheap shot at second should be too.
more of a chance the infielder can get hurt on that play then a batter getting hurt by getting hit in the leg by a pitcher.
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post #417 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:40pm

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Originally Posted by TonyD
ok believe what you want.
What texiera did wasn't any differnt then a pitcher throwing at a batter because he doesn't like him or any other reason.

if a pitcher gets suspended then a cheap shot at second should be too.
more of a chance the infielder can get hurt on that play then a batter getting hurt by getting hit in the leg by a pitcher.
I always believe what I want and I think what you're saying isn't the reality of that situation.

Anyhow, I let you have the last word as I won't respond any further because we're not getting anywhere here.
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post #418 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:40pm

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Originally Posted by Aaron Silverman
You couldn't watch it on the local channel? That was some wacky game!

re: Padilla. How do you suspend a player who isn't on a team?
Nope. And had Beckett thrown a no-hitter, I was going to visit Comerica Park personally. (Seriously, I wish I had gone to that game.)

Does anyone think Teixeira will not be with the Yankees at the end of this season?
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post #419 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by TonyD
Right, there was a report on mlb.com that he was waived
after yesterdays game but he seems to still be on the team.

Mike just a few posts back indicated that
he thought Padilla was released.

Here's the report from a TX paper...which sources Fox Sports. I heard it on Baseball Tonight on ESPN last night.

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EDIT**


I guess the way this works is Padilla remains a Ranger until someone claims him.

My bad for any confusion. Sorry.
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post #420 of 1171
6/4/09 at 1:42pm
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And I thought Texeira's slide at second base was perfectly fine. It was a good, hard play.
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