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post #61 of 90
4/7/09 at 6:36am

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While I sympathize with those who may lose rental opportunities, I can't say I'm sad about Blockbuster's difficulties. Their puritanical attitude regarding film ratings (a self-defeating one in any event) helped deprive the industry of a useful rating owing to their command of the rental market and their refusal to stock NC-17 rated films.
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post #62 of 90
4/7/09 at 6:53am

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So I just noticed that NF isn't going to carry many (or perhaps any) of the Warner catalogs that were released this week such as Tango & Cash and 2010: YWMC. Typical of them and now they expect me to shell out more $ for BD access when they aren't carrying every title that is available?
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post #63 of 90
4/7/09 at 9:06am

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Typical of them.... to price their offerings indicative of the value their customers derive from those offerings... yes, indeed.
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post #64 of 90
4/7/09 at 12:00pm

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it took them more than a year to offer the Kingdom of Heaven DC on dvd rather than just SD, so they may eventually stock it. Make title suggestions to them regularly of the titles they're not carrying.
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post #65 of 90
4/7/09 at 12:59pm

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Originally Posted by Brian^K
Typical of them.... to price their offerings indicative of the value their customers derive from those offerings... yes, indeed.

Jason is one of their customers. Based on his post, I gather that their pricing does not match the value he derives from their offerings.
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post #66 of 90
4/7/09 at 6:15pm

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Originally Posted by Brian^K
Fixed your post.

Why be so defensive of NF? Not like Jason's the *only* one to complain about NF's (lack of) service for Blu-rays, which is the main issue at hand.

Of course, if NF will quickly remedy the problem now that they're charging that much more for them, I'm sure most will stop complaining...

_Man_
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post #67 of 90
4/8/09 at 5:06am

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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
Why be so defensive of NF?
I couldn't care less about Netflix. You'll find me saying the exact same kinds of things with regard to American Airlines, Time Warner, Sears, Verizon, General Electric, JetBlue, Samsung, Disney, Dell, Saunder, TiVo, NBC/Universal, Comcast, Marriott, Viacom, Sony, CBS, Microsoft, Wal-Mart, and many other smaller companies.

My interest is in the entitlement mentality that is the basis of the perspective expressed. Entitlement mentality is a cancer eating at the foundation of our society.

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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
Not like Jason's the *only* one to complain about NF's (lack of) service for Blu-rays, which is the main issue at hand.
As I said before, talk is cheap. I gave Jason the benefit of the doubt that he'll eventually put his money where is mouth is and stop complaining and actually take responsible action as a consumer, i.e., stop patronizing a supplier from which he claims he isn't getting enough value.

However, maybe I'm being too generous. Maybe his complaints are more vacuous than that. Maybe he just wants to pay less, even though what he's paying now is worth it. If that's what you're asserting then shame on you for thinking so little of Jason.

Let's be clear: If you are paying the price, then you are ratifying the price/value proposition offered. If you pay and complain, then you're blowing smoke.
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post #68 of 90
4/8/09 at 6:38am

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Brian K - Question for you - do you subscribe to cable or satellite TV?
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post #69 of 90
4/8/09 at 1:59pm

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Originally Posted by Brian^K
My interest is in the entitlement mentality that is the basis of the perspective expressed. Entitlement mentality is a cancer eating at the foundation of our society.

As I said before, talk is cheap. I gave Jason the benefit of the doubt that he'll eventually put his money where is mouth is and stop complaining and actually take responsible action as a consumer, i.e., stop patronizing a supplier from which he claims he isn't getting enough value.

Entitlement??? So NF has been charging extra for BD rental service (for the past 6 months), but apparently doesn't send out BDs in any reasonably timely fashion to many customers (or doesn't feel like increasing inventory at a good pace) and complaints about that along w/ the new price hike is what you call "entitlement mentality"???

If anyone is feeling "entitled", it's NF -- that's why they've been charging more w/out actually providing more. Let's see if NF will actually put their $$$ where their mouth is would be more like it now that they're substantially hiking the extra charge.

Sheeeeesh!

For the record, I would agree there's a lot of entitlement mentality going on in our society, but I fail to see this being a prime example of that. Would be one thing if NF did *not* charge extra, but that's just not the case.

_Man_
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post #70 of 90
4/8/09 at 2:18pm

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FWIW, I would agree w/ Brian that y'all should do more than just complain about NF here.

I think some of y'all should just dump NF (at least temporarily) and maybe move to Blockbuster, if BD rental (and keeping NF competitive) is a big deal to you. And let NF know why you're dumping them while you're at it.

And before Jason also asks me whether I subscribe to cable/sat, the answer is NO -- because I do not feel they're worth it to me. OTA digital reception, especially nowadays, is good enough for me (to go along w/ all the media purchases and rentals and whatever else I do).

_Man_
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post #71 of 90
4/8/09 at 2:29pm

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i don't do blu rentals myself yet, but of all the talk of blockbuster going under, i think you guys are just screwed with the price increase since in 3 months they may be the only one to go to for blu rentals.
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post #72 of 90
4/8/09 at 2:39pm

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Originally Posted by Shane D
i don't do blu rentals myself yet, but of all the talk of blockbuster going under, i think you guys are just screwed with the price increase since in 3 months they may be the only one to go to for blu rentals.

At that point, I guess I'll just stop renting altogether again. I generally prefer to buy, not rent, anyway. And the main reason I decided to rent again (via Blockbuster) is for Blu-ray though I do very occasionally rent a DVD from them as well.

Personally, I think they should just offer a BD-exclusive plan for those of us who only want BDs -- and maybe give us the option to pay an extra $1 to rent a DVD or two each month.

_Man_
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post #73 of 90
4/8/09 at 2:46pm

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For what it's worth, my friend who switched to BB.com because of the hike said that she's impressed so far, fast turn around time and they haven't gotten it wrong yet.

I told her get back to me in another three weeks and if they're still doing good i'll switch. Still, she doesn't rent as many TV shows as I do and that's where the problem was before so I might have to find that out on my own, hopefully they've gotten better.

Now, is it just the brick n' mortor stores that might close or is BB.com in danger, too? Wouldn't that be nice for NF, being the only game in town.
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post #74 of 90
4/8/09 at 4:52pm

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Originally Posted by Inspector Hammer!
For what it's worth, my friend who switched to BB.com because of the hike said that she's impressed so far, fast turn around time and they haven't gotten it wrong yet.

I told her get back to me in another three weeks and if they're still doing good i'll switch. Still, she doesn't rent as many TV shows as I do and that's where the problem was before so I might have to find that out on my own, hopefully they've gotten better.

Now, is it just the brick n' mortor stores that might close or is BB.com in danger, too? Wouldn't that be nice for NF, being the only game in town.

Maybe you can just scale back your NF plan and spend the savings on the one-at-a-time plan w/ BB.com mainly for their BDs. Not like you're required to completely dump one for the other afterall, especially since the BD option is extra (and optional) w/ NF -- and there are no non-compete agreement to sign IIRC. Something to consider.

_Man_
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post #75 of 90
4/8/09 at 5:11pm

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a couple years ago I switched from blockbuster to netflix because while the return in store and get a new free rental thing was terriffic, espeically for new releases, their website was much worse to navigate. hard to manage your queue, and there was a fifty fifty shot blockbuster would skip 1-6 things at the top of your queue (which said available, not wait) to send you something much lower. I got to the point where I was trying to keep less than five or ten movies in my queue to try to get the movies I wanted. and their recommendations and ratings system were completely inept.

Worst of all, catalogue new releases could take three, four or more weeks to filter onto the blockbuster site, which was very frustrating.


I went back to netflix and loved the way their site navigated and the queue was managed. of course netflix has changed both of those things for the worst now, they no longer have an awesome 'this weeks releases' page, broken down by genre. the more actively managable drag and drop new queue at netflix is in theory a good idea but in practice has immensely long lag times and is in general just a pain to use. So some of the things I like best about netflix have gone downhill. otoh, their bluray service is great and I get them as fast as regular dvds, never had a problem on that front. I would imagine blockbuster to have inferior blu ray service and selection, though, so I'm very hesitant to switch back.
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post #76 of 90
4/8/09 at 7:54pm

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Originally Posted by Adam_S
I went back to netflix and loved the way their site navigated and the queue was managed. of course netflix has changed both of those things for the worst now, they no longer have an awesome 'this weeks releases' page, broken down by genre.

Yes they do but it's now hidden and must be accessed directly through the URL

Netflix Online Movie Rentals - Rent DVDs, Classic Films to DVD New Releases
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post #77 of 90
4/9/09 at 2:32am

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Originally Posted by Southpaw
Brian K - Question for you - do you subscribe to cable or satellite TV?
Why do you want to know?
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post #78 of 90
4/9/09 at 2:38am

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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
Entitlement???
Yes, "entitlement". Show proof that Netflix has explicitly promised to send your BD discs out in a fewer number of days than they have. Where is the promise that you would receive what you want in the smaller number of days you are asserting?

If you want a service that promises a specific amount of timeliness, then find such a service. Don't expect a service to comply with requirements you unilaterally impose.

And if no service is willing to explicitly promise you what you want explicitly promised to you, then do without. Live with the reality that not everything kowtows to your personal whims.

And if you really think that there is a demand for what you want, then put your money where your mouth is and start your own competing service. Again, don't expect others to kowtow to what you wish you were offered.

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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
If anyone is feeling "entitled", it's NF -- that's why they've been charging more w/out actually providing more.
That's silly. They're a service. They learn about their customers, figure out what is appropriate to offer for the price-point customers are willing to pay, and offer the service that way. You are not owed anything other than what you are explicitly promised. Your presumption that they should kowtow to your self-motivated expectations is indefensible.
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post #79 of 90
4/9/09 at 2:39am

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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
And before Jason also asks me whether I subscribe to cable/sat, the answer is NO -- because I do not feel they're worth it to me. OTA digital reception, especially nowadays, is good enough for me (to go along w/ all the media purchases and rentals and whatever else I do).
And if you think the Netflix, or Netflix BD service, aren't worth, then do without them, too!
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post #80 of 90
4/9/09 at 2:42am

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Originally Posted by Inspector Hammer!
Now, is it just the brick n' mortor stores that might close or is BB.com in danger, too? Wouldn't that be nice for NF, being the only game in town.
And a reflection of the fact that they have been offering a pretty decent service for a decent price up until now. They haven't done anything that was specifically predatory against Blockbuster, and yet Blockbuster still failed. When consumers allow all the competitors in a market to fail, then consumer get what they deserve afterward, from the sole competitor left.
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post #81 of 90
4/9/09 at 5:31am

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Originally Posted by Brian^K
Why do you want to know?

Never mind.
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post #82 of 90
4/9/09 at 8:14am

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I have dropped my BR access, for now. I rent probably 10 SD dvds per month, and 1 BR... so the math did not add up in my case.

$1-2 dollars extra is fair... but not 4.
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post #83 of 90
4/9/09 at 8:49am

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Brian^K, i'm just wondering, is there a reason your being so confrontational with people here? Don't get mad, like I said i'm just wondering, your coming across as really angry about this subject.
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post #84 of 90
4/9/09 at 10:57am

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Originally Posted by Brian^K
When consumers allow all the competitors in a market to fail, then consumer get what they deserve afterward, from the sole competitor left.


Yay, we get a monopoly. Isn't that grand?
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post #85 of 90
4/9/09 at 8:06pm

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Originally Posted by Brian^K
And if you think the Netflix, or Netflix BD service, aren't worth, then do without them, too!

Dude, chill out!

Read more carefully before you keep trampling on others' comments here.

I dropped NF a looooooooooong time ago and currently use Blockbuster mainly for BD rentals (to supplement my purchases, which I prefer). I'm pretty sure I said something to that effect already. I've even agreed w/ you that people should act according to what they think NF's service is actually worth to them, which can vary depending on the individual -- and also suggested some solutions to the BD rental problem.

Only main thing I disagreed w/ you on were your tone and your characterization of others. No need to get so confrontational about all this.

And don't put words in my mouth about what NF promises (or not). I expect *any* paid service to meet customer needs in a reasonably timely fashion. If that doesn't happen -- and the service provider will not adequately address the problem -- then I stop that service (just like you would from what I can tell). And again, I did *not* give NF another try precisely because I found Blockbuster to be much better at BD rentals (in the past year) than what I heard about NF -- and there's no extra charge either.

_Man_
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post #86 of 90
4/10/09 at 4:10am

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Originally Posted by Southpaw
Never mind.
I didn't think so.
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post #87 of 90
4/10/09 at 4:13am

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Originally Posted by Inspector Hammer!
Brian^K, i'm just wondering, is there a reason your being so confrontational with people here? Don't get mad, like I said i'm just wondering, your coming across as really angry about this subject.
Try reading through the thread from the perspective of someone who disagrees with you, rather than reading through the thread thinking that anything written contrary to what you believe is either "crazy" or "confrontational".

Some people in this thread are clearly very angry with Netflix and are making statements that reveal what I consider objectionable perspectives. Being the only person who is (AFAIC reasonable enough to) see things from the other side of the coin, it is natural that those who are upset that they're not getting their way will see any advocacy of a fair and balanced perspective on business as a confrontation.
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post #88 of 90
4/10/09 at 4:15am

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Originally Posted by Brent M
Yay, we get a monopoly. Isn't that grand?
Indeed, an one crafted by consumers themselves, through their purchasing behaviors. However, I suspect some will still try to "blame" Netflix for being the best.
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post #89 of 90
4/10/09 at 4:20am

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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
Dude, chill out!
I'm "chill", dude.

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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
Read more carefully before you keep trampling on others' comments here.
This thread isn't about being upset about how BB treats you. It is about Netflix raising its price. My comments are with regard to the topic of this thread. If they have come across as being directed at one comment, specifically, then I apologize for the confusion; my comments in this thread are directed at the criticisms of Netflix.

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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
I expect *any* paid service to meet customer needs in a reasonably timely fashion.
However, you're putting yourself in the position of dictating what "reasonable" is in that sentence. In the mass-market, "reasonable" is dictated by mass-market consumer behaviors, not the expectations of any one consumer.
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post #90 of 90
4/10/09 at 6:37am

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spin it any way you want brian, you aren't haven't discussion you're lecturing
and being condescending.

oh well, unsubscribed since everyone seems to have made their point,
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