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Originally Posted by Bryan Tuck
And yes, it should be made clear that it wasn't Mr. Frank that was responsible for those disparaging comments. In fact, he should be commended for posting them, allowing everyone else to see what Magnolia apparently thinks of its customers.

Agreed. And I hope too many people don't see his name and start sending him really nasty e-mails, because I'm sure Magnolia will not be happy with him about that memo thingy getting out. Just from the tone of it I can tell it was not meant to be released publicly

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Originally Posted by Bryan Tuck
Again, what's most frustrating about this is that they are fixing it "based on the feedback," but refusing to extend that "fix" to the people who created the feedback.

But according to Magnolia, they aren't fixing anything...just offering another option. This was just a more literal translation, because the name Eli in swedish literally translates to "I'm Trapped"
(Hear that? I'm rolling my eyes so hard it made a sound)
post #92 of 146
Thread Starter 

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Wow, that was some bad intel. Thank God I addressed my letter wrong.

Who exactly should this letter go to so that I may reforward what I
had sent to the wrong guy?
post #93 of 146

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
Who exactly should this letter go to so that I may reforward what I had sent to the wrong guy?

Unfortunately, Ron, I have no idea where the original comments originated from. They just came from some anonymous (to us anyway) Magnolia employee to Andrew Franks.

I guess you could try sending a little note to Mr. Franks explaining who you and we are, and see if he would mind either a) supplying you with a magnolia contact or b) forwarding your e-mail to his contact.

It's really a shame that the only e-mail addys we have for magnolia are all generic department emails.

If we knew we would get a response, we could always go up the food chain to Mark Cuban. He owns Magnolia...(Yeah, I'm just grasping at straws at this point)
post #94 of 146

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Ron, here's Magnolia's contacts page...

Magnolia Pictures

Somewhere, someone posted the email of the head of the company, but I cannot remember where, and haven't found it yet. If I do, I will post again.
post #95 of 146

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Mark Cuban's blog has a contact form: Contact blog maverick.
I have no idea if he actually reads this stuff, but it's worth a shot.

Edit: Now that I think about it, he has quoted emails in his blog, so he probably does read them.
post #96 of 146

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Maybe if you start out with "I'm a huge Mavericks fan..."
post #97 of 146

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Well, I'm sure this won't work, but like Mick Wright mentioned, it is worth a shot.

Here is the email I am planning to send to Mark Cuban.

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Dear Mr. Cuban,

I sincerely hope you please take the time to read this, as there are a couple of things I wanted to touch on with this email. (Well, it started as an email, but then I couldn’t find an address for you =) )

First of all I really admire the way you have built up your career, and the fact that you see the true potential of the internet and other forms of media/communications.

Therefore, I feel that I have to let you know about something that is currently going on on the internet with Magnolia Pictures, a company you own.

A few weeks ago, Magnolia released a great Swedish film, Let The Right One In on DVD and Blu-Ray. For some reason, they felt the need to completely re-do the subtitles for the movie, discarding the ones that were used theatrically. The new ones are extremely simplistic, missing sentences in some occasions, and they take quite a bit of the subtext and subtlety out of the film. (You can see for yourself here: http://iconsoffright.com/news/2009/0...les_in_to.html)

However, this issue is not really the point of my e-mail. My email is about Magnolia’s response to the issue.

First, they stated that this was a conscious choice, and that it was not an error. However, they did say they would change the subtitles back to the theatrical ones for future pressings of the disks. They also said that they will not have a mail in exchange offer for the people who already own it, who wish to have the theatrical version. In fact, they said that the new version will be available for those people to purchase.

Now, what that says to me is, “You purchased something that was not what you expected (They did not let anybody know the subtitles differed from the theatrical showings), and now we expect you to purchase it a second time to get what you thought you were originally getting”.

Apparently, I am not the only one that interpreted it this way, because this spread across the internet like a wild fire, popping up on most horror blogs and sites like The Consumerist, and especially at the Home Theater Forum and DVDTalk, the two largest industry discussion sites on the internet. At that point an e-mail campaign started to magnolia.

Most egregious, however, is the response that Magnolia had for their customers. I am including it in it’s entirety below. (You can see it in context here: http://iconsoffright.com/news/2009/0...t_the_rig.html)

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Yes the bloggers are having a field day on this one. Normally they like to pick on the English Dub tracks, but in this case it’s the subtitles. Obviously online tend to get rowdy and bandwagon mentality without knowing all the details. The current subtitle track is not altering the context of the film at all, in fact it’s a more literal translation than any prior version of subtitles. It’s not a defective or faulty subtitle file. Just more literal and larger in size for the small screen. Both English and Spanish subtitle files were produced for this dvd release. Frankly it’s not all that uncommon to have the subs vary from prior releases, typically go unnoticed as subs are purely a translation of film dialogue. This wouldn’t have been a blip had it not been for one particular horror blog doing a side by side and claiming that they are wrong. They are not. We are not doing a recall or anything of that nature, again, these are not defective. Title came out two weeks ago and general public don’t notice and don’t care – bloggers are well known for jumping on something, making an issue of it and moving on. We have decided that based on the feedback that we will be making a running change, so that going forward (once inventories deplete), we will be making that subtitle version available. Options in set up will be; English Subtitles / English (theatrical) Subtitles / Spanish Subtitles”

Now, this is where the bad PR comes into play. Again, this reply has spread across the internet, and now there are people boycotting Magnolia films. (In fact, I held off buying Timecrimes today, just because of this issue).What is getting under people’s skin especially, is they said they are altering further pressings “because of fan reaction”. These fans (myself included) are the people who already purchased the movie, and we are now left in the cold. The fact that the person at Magnolia who wrote that shrugs off their customers and says “general public don’t notice and don’t care” is very disheartening for their customers, and all around seems like terrible PR. Especially when, in the occasion that another film studio runs into a situation like this, they always have an exchange. (I again note, the customers want a voluntary exchange, not a widespread recall).

In most cases, a disk exchange like this costs a few dollars per disk that is sent out. On top of that, it is not a huge amount of people that participate in them. In the end, an exchange program would not cost a lot of money, but would still save face with the company’s customers, and save Magnolia from having a huge black cloud of bad publicity around them. (And in my honest opinion, it is the right thing to do)

I just wanted to bring this to your attention, because I know you are a person that knows the power of the internet, and you know what bad word of mouth can do to a business. The fact is that this email from Magnolia, and their general reaction to their returning customers is all over the internet right now…and that can’t be good.

I thank you for reading this letter, I really appreciate your time.

James Koch
An (Ex?) Magnolia Customer who bought Let The Right one in, and does feel a bit ripped off.
post #98 of 146

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Originally Posted by James_Koch
But according to Magnolia, they aren't fixing anything...just offering another option.
If they're *replacing* the existing English subtitles with the theatrical subtitles there's no "option". They can call whatever they'd like, but it's a fix as far as I'm concerned.
post #99 of 146

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Originally Posted by dpippel
If they're *replacing* the existing English subtitles with the theatrical subtitles there's no "option". They can call whatever they'd like, but it's a fix as far as I'm concerned.

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Originally Posted by Magnolia
...we will be making that subtitle version available. Options in set up will be; English Subtitles / English (theatrical) Subtitles / Spanish Subtitles”

They are just adding on the theatrical subtitles. They are not removing the original home video subtitles

As for the Mark Cuban e-mail, I just sent it. Now begins the waiting game.
post #100 of 146

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Originally Posted by James_Koch
They are just adding on the theatrical subtitles. They are not removing the original home video subtitles.
I missed that text, thanks. A slightly different situation, but an admission of omission if nothing else. I still call it a fix. Those of us who bought the title currently in the pipeline are still S.O.L. if we want the theatrical subs and Magnolia doesn't change their tune. Best of luck with your email approach. Hopefully it won't fall on deaf ears and Mr. Cuban can put the ball in motion...
post #101 of 146

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Good email James. It covers everything, and well.
post #102 of 146

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Thanks, I was trying to appeal to him from more of a business perspective. It helps that he is someone that is very involved in the internet, and has spoken at lengths about the power of the internet. I hope he does read it.

Also, in related news, my update has reached the consumerist.
Dissed: Movie Distributor Doesn't Care For Blogosphere, Says To Ignore It
post #103 of 146

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I just received an email from Amazon listing 10 "Popular Blu-Ray Releases." Number one is Let The Right One In. Scroll down to the user reviews and 2 of the 3 reviews showing are complaining about the subtitles. There are as of this writing 122 reviews and I'll bet there are more subtitle complaints than just those 2.
post #104 of 146

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I was just checking Roger Ebert's weekend movie reviews, and I noticed that the subtitle issue for "Let the Right One In" has been mentioned. Just scroll down to "Answer Man" and someone has asked Ebert what he thinks. Ebert doesn't really comment, but does acknowledge it. I wish Ebert could comment about the dumbing down of subtitles, plus many people read his reviews and trust his views on the movie industry.
post #105 of 146

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Returned my copy to Amazon, but rented this from a local DVD-specialist store that carries a lot of foreign films and watched it last night. Not only is the "Eli" => "I'm trapped" bungled, but so is the whole line about a character asking another to "go steady", which is turned into "do I have a chance with you?". That whole dialogue is awkwardly translated, and the book version of the conversation makes much more sense.

This is not a "more accurate translation," it's a bad one.
post #106 of 146

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Just trying to get an update, I'm assuming none of us "mob mentality bloggers" have heard anything from Magnet? Maybe they are adopting the "if we just keep quiet it will all go away" mentality...
post #107 of 146

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No, all quiet as far as I know...
post #108 of 146

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FYI for those thinking of importing the Swedish version w/ the correct subs. Apparently, the new 2.7 update to the PS3 has rendered it unplayable. I guess there is an opening part on the disc that is 1080i/50hz which the PS3 used to skip but now it cannot bypass it. This may affect other titles as well. Hopefully Sony fixes this.
post #109 of 146

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If I'm reading between the lines correctly, it looks like I'll be able to simply claim that my blu ray's subtitles are defective and they'll replace it with the new version.

I wonder if there's some legal/logistical challenge they can't do a recall/exchange? perhaps if they make it officially a recall they have to get all the stock back from retailers as well and send them replacements. whereas if they just press fixed discs with a new sku they can send them out to retailers as the retailers need new stock and that way avoid absorbing the cost of a recall. I don't think they're worried about the much smaller cost of exchanging individual customers dvds, since the vast majority of purchasers will never know of the problem and only a percentage of those aware of it will actually get an exchange.

But in any event, a polite email saying my disc's subtitles are defective and wondering if I can get a replacement is what I'm going to try.
post #110 of 146

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I wonder if there's some legal/logistical challenge they can't do a recall/exchange? perhaps if they make it officially a recall they have to get all the stock back from retailers as well and send them replacements. whereas if they just press fixed discs with a new sku they can send them out to retailers as the retailers need new stock and that way avoid absorbing the cost of a recall. I don't think they're worried about the much smaller cost of exchanging individual customers dvds, since the vast majority of purchasers will never know of the problem and only a percentage of those aware of it will actually get an exchange.

I don't think anyone is seriously asking for a recall. And Magnet specifically said, "There will be no exchanges," in their statement. But you're right, I really can't see allowing an exchange program for those that want it costing too much to make it unfeasible.

Again, to me, the fact that the films that Magnet deals with have a limited audience should make it all the more important to maintain a good relationship with that limited audience.

Does anyone know if there is a simliar problem with Timecrimes?
post #111 of 146

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Netflix shipped me the film. Looking for advice. My gut feel is to NOT watch it (I haven't seen the film yet), return it, and simply purchase the corrected version when it hits stores.

Or should I just watch the BD I have?

Recommendations?

Thanks,
Chuck
post #112 of 146

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Chuck, it's a good movie. When I rented from my local store and watched it, I (having read the novel) took issue with a few subtitle choices (documented above in various posts by myself and others) but to be honest, *most* of the subs are fine. And my girlfriend, who has not read the book, really liked the movie a lot and obviously took no issue with the subs.

With Magnet leaving this all up in the air, and if you really want to see a good movie and don't want to go through the hassle of returning it, then I would say to crack it open and spin 'er up. It's a fine movie, made a little dimmer by a poor choice of subtitle options, but still a damned fine movie.
post #113 of 146

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Wow, those simplified translations are lame. I recall many of those lines from the theater, it's a shame to see them dumbed down.
post #114 of 146

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I bit the bullet and watched it. Looking at some of the f'ed subtitles, they do matter. It's not narrative, I understood the story and relationships. But some of the tone was lost.

Still, a good film, and one I might revisit when they get the subtitles right. Worth another look anyway.
post #115 of 146

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Mark Cuban has replied to the emails I have sent him (on other issues)...

Anyway, this guy is now available on Netflix instant watch, so if you are a subscriber you can watch it in low quality for free and see if its something you might want to get the 'real' dvd/bd for.
post #116 of 146

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I watched a screener I had laying around of this that I had avoided because when I first popped it in it had the most obscenely obnoxious burnins ever. There's a property of Bavaria films in the upper left corner that's steady and relatively unobtrusive. then at times there's a chyron of the same Bavaria films that will pop up for about thirty seconds around about the times (every ten minutes or so) the movie switches to black and white for a minute. these aren't so bad, really, annoying, but relatively minor. Then there's the additional, "Property of Magnolia Films" chyron which is centered in the frame but below the Bavaria films bit in the upper left. There is plenty of room for it on the upper right, but nope, they have it smack in the middle of where the eyes of most faces would be. And it moves too. About every fifteen minutes it jumps down or up about 1/6 of the screen. The finale 15 minutes it's in the exact middle of the screen. Incredibly annoying and distracting because like the chyron in the upper left it never goes away, it's permanantly part of the image. The image is also very washed out when it is in color, the contrast is horrifically off and it really looks like a bland and lifeless low budget horror flick that couldn't afford a substantial lighting package for their film. Anyone wondering why the film never got so much as a mention by any cinematography group awards wise has only to look at the screener, which is probably the most misrepresentative of a film as any screener I've ever seen. Except in one respect. It has the theatrical subtitles. And it's the main reason I put up with watching the whole screener.

And I don't think they really added anything to the film. The only difference was that I was aware of when there were supposed to be differences (like the rubix cube scene) but overall, it didn't strike me as substantially changing the impact of the movie. The piss poor presentation on the screener was enormously detrimental to the enjoyment of the film though, much more so than the subtitles.
post #117 of 146

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What I do know is that I was all set to blind buy another film this week called Splinter. Then I looked at the distributor and saw that it was Magnolia/Magnet.

No dice.

I've heard great things about this film, but I meant what I said about Magnet never again getting a dime of my money. To bad, too ... I'd love to add Splinter to my collection. I'll have to wait until it gets an R2 release, though.
post #118 of 146
Does anyone know if there is a ways of identifying the corrected version in the shops. I saw this in the shop today but dont want to buy the one without the theatrical subtitles
post #119 of 146
There have been reports of DVDs with the theatrical subs included making their way to store shelves, but I have read no mention of Blu-ray Discs.  On the 'corrected' DVDs in the Subtitle box it says 'English - Theatrical' or something very similar.
post #120 of 146
Paul's correct - those who have found the corrected DVDs mention the "English (Theatrical)" label.

However, to date I have yet to hear of anyone finding a corrected Blu-ray.
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