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iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

post #1 of 38
3/12/09 at 11:02am
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Just for you Ronbo! =)
iPhone OS 3.0 is coming, preview on March 17th

Also, might we see a Wii Wand for Apple TV?
Apple patent filing details possible "remote wand" for Apple TV, again

What would be REALLY cool would be to see tight integration with Google Voice:
Official Google Blog: Here comes Google Voice

It seems like Gvoice and iPhone would be a natural fit to me...

Sam
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post #2 of 38
3/12/09 at 12:48pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

Despite being smart-phoneless, I'm ever curious about what's coming next. But I feel that I'm getting closer to moving to PDA / Phone device. And this year could be a good year to choose something, with a iPhone software refresh, the Palm Pre, and some revised Blackberry hardware and software (maybe they'll get that Storm to work decently).

And as a Verizon customer, I hope they get in the game soon with something more than the Blackberry line.
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post #3 of 38
3/13/09 at 11:27am

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

My personal wish list for iPhone 3.0:

Landscape typing for both e-mail & SMS background notifications
Copy/Paste
Tethering
Turn by Turn GPS with voice
Video recording
Bulgarian keyboard (the darned Romanians got one already -- in reality it is just a question of when they start official iPhone sales in Bulgaria).

Hardware for iPhone 3rd gen:
Better camera
IR so it can be a full fledged universal remote (or at least a 3rd party IR attachment that plugs into the iPhone/iPodTouch connector)*
More memory for app use
larger storage (32GB or 64GB).

*There is software/hardware called UIremote in the works -- current status: vaporware.
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post #4 of 38
3/13/09 at 11:38am

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

If tethering comes out, would it likely be an extra cost service through AT&T?
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post #5 of 38
3/13/09 at 12:13pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

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Originally Posted by DaveF
If tethering comes out, would it likely be an extra cost service through AT&T?
Yes. The devil will be in the details -- how much exactly will they charge for the service.
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post #6 of 38
3/13/09 at 3:19pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

We went from Donkey Kong to Robotron?!

Yeah, been covering this news break and looking forward to
next week when we learn more about the iPhone 3.0 software.

Must be something quite good because Apple is certainly putting
out a lot of early "buzz."
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post #7 of 38
3/13/09 at 5:10pm
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Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

LMAO
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post #8 of 38
3/13/09 at 6:15pm

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Well, I hope it (or some variant of it) will work on the iPod Touch 2G. And they better get Apple Lossless support working correctly w/out the nasty (frequent) audio dropouts.

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Originally Posted by DaveF
Despite being smart-phoneless, I'm ever curious about what's coming next. But I feel that I'm getting closer to moving to PDA / Phone device. And this year could be a good year to choose something, with a iPhone software refresh, the Palm Pre, and some revised Blackberry hardware and software (maybe they'll get that Storm to work decently).

And as a Verizon customer, I hope they get in the game soon with something more than the Blackberry line.

Verizon does also have a pair of Samsung offerings, etc. The Omnia looked promising (including what seems to be a fairly decent camera -- as good as on-phone cameras get anyway), but apparently, the MS Windoze mobile software is probably still a bit too much of a resource hog to run perfectly well on it.

I almost bought the Omnia for the wife to use -- and just might've by now -- but that niggling Windoze issue combined w/ Verizon's new policy of forcing a hefty $30/month web+email plan on all smartphones (except maybe a couple barely-smart phones) *plus* adding a per-MB usage charge on top really bites the big one. And so far, I'm refusing to upgrade our dying old phones and renew any contract because of that.

FWIW, the Omnia comes w/ WiFi support, so one could use it for occasional/sparing access to the net (like one would w/ the iPod Touch). That was a big part of the appeal for my wife since she really doesn't need frequent access to email and web -- and WiFi would be just fine for her most times. But Verizon's new policy basically kills most of the appeal there.

_Man_
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post #9 of 38
3/13/09 at 8:48pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
We went from Donkey Kong to Robotron?!
I'm waiting to get it on like Archon. (a favorite childhood game)

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Verizon does also have a pair of Samsung offerings, etc. The Omnia looked promising (including what seems to be a fairly decent camera -- as good as on-phone cameras get anyway), but apparently, the MS Windoze mobile software is probably still a bit too much of a resource hog to run perfectly well on it.
The little bit I've seen of the second-tier smart phones leave me wholly unimpressed. I don't know much about Windows Mobile, but it always seemed a bastard child next to Palm OS, and some recent articles suggest it's still 6-12 months behind the iPhone and the expected Pre.

I've become a gadget snob. I'll wait to get what I want, rather than settling for something half-rate.
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post #10 of 38
3/17/09 at 9:59am
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And awwwaaaay we go. So far Ars and Engadget have the best live feeds, and I'm off to a meeting for a few hours =( If anything earthshattering occurs, please text me the big news at 9084617181@vtext.com

Seriously! 'Preciate it! I can get texts but not calls during the meeting.
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post #11 of 38
3/17/09 at 12:10pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

Well we got everything in the iPhone 3.0 software we could have hoped for except for video (but that may come with new iPhone hardware). Looks great, and I am especially excited about the device API: IR based remotes, FM radio receivers, etc, etc.
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post #12 of 38
3/17/09 at 12:23pm
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Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

Pretty fricking sweet update, and a massive one at that...
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post #13 of 38
3/17/09 at 2:06pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

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Well we got everything in the iPhone 3.0 software we could have hoped for except for video (but that may come with new iPhone hardware).
My exact thoughts. My 2 year commitment to AT&T (non iPhone) ends in two months. I'm hoping for a 32GB (or more) iPhone w/ video to come out by then, or some time during the summer, likely coinciding with 3.0's public release.

...or I could just be pipedreaming...
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post #14 of 38
3/17/09 at 2:50pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
Well, I hope it (or some variant of it) will work on the iPod Touch 2G. And they better get Apple Lossless support working correctly w/out the nasty (frequent) audio dropouts.

Hmmm... With all the favorable preview info on the new v3 OS, I decided to google this issue again to see if it's getting fixed by the new software, and apparently, it was already fixed in the last minor revision v2.2.1 back around late-Jan/early-Feb. I just didn't know about it (or even about the new software revision at all) since I hadn't connected my iPod Touch to iTunes in quite some time -- mainly because my laptop (where I run iTunes) has been out of commission.

Good to know that it's already been fixed -- and I won't even need the bigger(?) v3 software update for it, which may or may not even work on the 2G Touch.

Now, I just gotta fix my laptop (or just migrate my iTunes off to a different machine) to get that update.

_Man_
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post #15 of 38
3/17/09 at 3:08pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

No tethering? Or is that a hardware upgrade to be hoped for?

Is search Apple-app specific or for all apps?

I'm in a dull, day-long meeting with Wifi that's closer to dial-up; an iPhone would be sublime right now.
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post #16 of 38
3/17/09 at 4:52pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
No tethering? Or is that a hardware upgrade to be hoped for?
Tethering is coming, nothing to do with hardware. From the post event Q&A:
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Originally Posted by Macworld.com's transcript
11:38 PT - DM: Tim Bajarin: What about tethering (sharing internet connection from phone to computer)?

There's two pieces needed for that: client-side needs to support tethering; second is working with carriers. We are absolutely supporting tethering on client side on iPhone. Also working with carriers around the world, and it is coming.
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post #17 of 38
3/17/09 at 6:25pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

So, no tethering (It could next month or next year, based on those comments)
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post #18 of 38
3/17/09 at 7:46pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

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Originally Posted by Ted Todorov
Yes. The devil will be in the details -- how much exactly will they charge for the service.

It would probably be similar to the Blackberry tethering plans AT&T already offers, if I had to guess.

For personal Blackberry service, the unlimited data plan add on is $30/month. If you want the unlimited data add on with tethering, it is $60/month. So...$30 per month more. This is all in addition to the regular Blackberry voice plans at AT&T.

Kind of ridiculous, but typical of a company who is trying desperately to hold on to pricing structures that were in place generating much desired revenue streams well before devices like the iPhone became common for mass consumers. Hopefully AT&T will change their data pricing to be more affordable for the consumer. I could not imagine paying upwards of $150+ a month for my iPhone with the tethering option. But that is around what they are charging a lot of their unlimited data Blackberry customers.
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post #19 of 38
3/18/09 at 6:03am
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Either way, they are on the hook to make it happen which is progress. For you suckas who didn't get the airsharing app (or whatever its name is) during the 2-3 days it was available =p Mines been sitting frozen in carbonite waiting for the day I get an iPhone...
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post #20 of 38
3/18/09 at 12:49pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

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Originally Posted by DaveF
So, no tethering (It could next month or next year, based on those comments)
I view it just the opposite -- tethering is definite, it is already in the 3.0 preferences and fully functional. See: USB Tethering Seems to be Working in iPhone 3.0 - Mac Rumors

The only thing missing are individual carrier agreements, which would be premature right now in any case. I think these agreements will happen. I do see a danger of prices being set too high, but why would any carrier say "no" to a new income stream?
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post #21 of 38
3/18/09 at 1:42pm
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How long till the beta firmwares make it to the general populace? I give it till Friday noon...
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post #22 of 38
3/18/09 at 1:58pm
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what we DIDNT get:
What Apple didn't announce for iPhone OS 3.0 - Ars Technica

App management improvements was the only one I cared about...
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post #23 of 38
3/18/09 at 3:14pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

A comment in a different forum stated something I've wondered about: does the iPhone have no integrated method for data synch?
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Another missing piece, unless it's there and they aren't telling anyone, is some way for applications to sync data or files between the iPhone and the desktop computer. The only option right now is to reinvent the wheel and write your own server.

Apple seems more interested in games than in applications that require moving data back and forth. I don't see why they cannot provide this.

What remains perplexing to me is how Apple made such a remarkable technological and interface leap, while seemingly missing basic lessons from a decade of PDAs e.g. copy/paste, data synch, and even a to-do list.

None of these issues keep me away from it (that's $$ and ATT). But I see significant opportunity for the Pre with its (seeming) emphasis on personal data management. (not an "iPhone killer", but real competition and expanding the smart-phone eco-system).
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post #24 of 38
3/18/09 at 6:35pm
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The best thing about the Pre is that it will keep Apple motivated....

Anyway, I've been a Student Dev thanks to my night job for a long time and tonight I finally signed up for the (real, not student) iPhone dev program.... Should have my authorization code in under 24 hours and will be able to download the beta, but I'll be under NDA for it I guess. Edit: I'm in!

USB tethering, Publish Video and Find my iPhone found in OS 3.0

AT&T to offer unsubsidized iPhone 3G with no commitment required?

Video: iPhone OS 3.0 walkthrough

IPhone 3.0: iPhone 3.0 Beta OS Walkthrough Video
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post #25 of 38
3/19/09 at 9:56am

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The latest from Macrumors is evidence of video support -- presumably for the as of yet unannounced iPhone 3.0 hardware.

Re the Pre: I really think you are giving the Pre/Palm too much credit as competition. The company is one failed launch away from bankruptcy, the idea that the Pre will attract major developer support is laughable (essentially it's "WebOS" is the Javascript based development environment that Apple was offering developers at the iPhone 1.0 launch, before 2.0 and the SDK. Apple was met with howls of outrage (and rightly so!)) And the idea that they will sell vast amounts of Pres on Sprint is not the likeliest. This is a valiant effort from a dying company. The only way the Palm and the Pre will survive is if Microsoft buys them and discontinues WinMo. Not likely. MS bought Danger -- and produced what, exactly?

What is driving Apple are Steve Jobs, Tim Cook, Jony Ive et al. and their quest for perfection.
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post #26 of 38
3/19/09 at 11:08am
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Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

To be fair Palm has been at the mobile space for a long time and I think they have a much better shot at getting a smartphone right than does anyone at Nokia, RIM or on the Windows Mobile Disaster (tm).

That they hired Chuq Von Rospaq (spelling?) speaks volumes to me. I still have no interest in the platform but as I said compelling rivals will force Apple to keep moving which is a REALLY good thing.
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post #27 of 38
3/19/09 at 12:50pm

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As a 7-year Palm user, when a friend -- and still a diehard Palm fan -- told me last Fall that Palm had an amazing, new, comeback OS in the works I told him there was no way. Palm was lost and soon to be dead.

But the Pre announcement and demo showed a device clearly designed for the PDA user. I saw a better understanding and purpose for personal data management than I've seen on the iPhone. A demo is not shipping product, and announcements are no appstore. Nor does the Pre have the broad appeal of the web-browsing / iPod / game machine of the iPhone. But for someone who really wants a "Personal Data Assistant", the Pre is exciting.
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post #28 of 38
3/19/09 at 1:58pm

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Originally Posted by Sam Posten
To be fair Palm has been at the mobile space for a long time and I think they have a much better shot at getting a smartphone right than does anyone at Nokia, RIM or on the Windows Mobile Disaster (tm).

That they hired Chuq Von Rospaq (spelling?) speaks volumes to me. I still have no interest in the platform but as I said compelling rivals will force Apple to keep moving which is a REALLY good thing.
Palm has hired lots of Apple people -- they have a great team. If the Pre had come out two years ago, this would be a very different story. The problem is that Palm is not just late, but virtually bankrupt. Sales of their current devices have fallen off a cliff and they still don't have a shipping date for the Pre. And even if the launch happens relatively soon and goes better than the BB Storm, I just don't see how Palm will emerge from its death spiral. Why would any developer devote time and effort to a platform that may vanish at any moment?
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post #29 of 38
3/19/09 at 3:48pm

Re: iPhone 3.0 is on like Robotron, March 17th preview =p

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Originally Posted by Ted Todorov
Why would any developer devote time and effort to a platform that may vanish at any moment?
Isn't this moot? Didn't Palm pre-announce a roster of brand-name developers already lined up for Pre development?

Moreover, didn't the early developers for the iPhone crank out simple apps in a couple of weeks and in the digital gold rush make tens, even hundreds of thousands of dollars? If the Palm Pre is indeed fueled by web standard code, it's doubtful app creation is going to require months labor and Microsoft-ian bankrolls. If some joker can roll-up a web page in a couple weeks and sell it for a few bucks with the hope of hitting the jackpot, then there will be developers early on.

It may not pan out. If the gold rush is not large enough, if consumers ignore the Pre, etc. then it will fizzle, perhaps quickly. Palm is in a precarious position.

Even if it succeeds, I don't think the Pre is going to be gangbusters; it won't topple the iPhone. But in the mismash of "smart" phones on the market, there's room for it. And it looks like there's serious design savvy behind it; enough to possibly recapture the hearts and wallets of former Palm lovers. And those who don't love the iPhone and would really be better served by the Pre's design philosophy.
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post #30 of 38
3/20/09 at 10:39am

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Originally Posted by DaveF
Isn't this moot? Didn't Palm pre-announce a roster of brand-name developers already lined up for Pre development?

Moreover, didn't the early developers for the iPhone crank out simple apps in a couple of weeks and in the digital gold rush make tens, even hundreds of thousands of dollars? ...
The gold rush for iPhone development happened because by the time the iPhone SDK was announced there was an installed user base of several million iPhone/iPod Touch users plus a clear belief that the number of iPhones would explode once the the 3G was introduced. Also, those millions of iPhone users had a preexisting propensity to shop on iTunes for music and video.

Palm has none of that going for them. I may have the wrong brand crystal ball, but no Pre programming rush is happening. As for the "brand name" developers (who?), the iPhone was all about indie devs., and what they produced was hardly junk -- stuff like PocketPedia, Wurdle and 2 Across were among my first downloads -- excellent then and still excellent now.
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