Thanks for all the replies - both pro and con. I wanted to clarify my position in hopes that if people disagree with me, they at least understand where I'm really coming from as opposed to some distorted caricature of what I really believe (which is what I felt Neville's post was doing).
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Joe Lugoff 
If you look for things to upset you in this world, you'll always be upset. So I try as hard as I can to concentrate on the positive and not let the negative get to me too much.
I agree completely, Joe. And if my original post (from a year ago) came across as me nitpicking things just because I enjoy being upset then I failed miserably. I've found that context is king when people are quoting others and trying to discuss issues. And at the time I originally posted the discussion was centering on Paul Mavis' review of seasons Seven & Eight, per Jack P's post #364. That was a large part of what I was responding to and interacting with when I posted last year. Combined with his critique, which for the record I did find spot on, I interjected some personal real life issues that influenced the way I looked at the show. Or better yet, influenced my enjoyment of the show as it progressed year in and year out for eight seasons.
I'd also note that nowhere in my original post did I imply that other people should feel the same way I did. It was just a moment of sharing some personal thoughts in a place where I felt I could. Maybe that was my mistake. I've always looked at HTF like a friendly neighborhood barbershop where people come together and share. At least that's how I've viewed this place. And I thought I could share a personal story from my life, and how that shaped my viewing of Bewitched, and not get slammed for that. Hopefully that still holds true. But regardless, I did want to make it clear that I'm not running around trying to find things that offend me or upset me in TV. I'm a big boy and know that TV Land (not the station, just the commonly used phrase) is a place where there's always going to be shows that appeal to me and shows that don't. There's plenty out there for everyone and I'm great with that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Garysb 
I think Bewitched ran out of ideas after the 5th season and just became tired.and repetitive . The show no longer was a romantic comedy. It became more a children's show. It fact Darren and Sam didn't seem to show much affection for each other. Compare the 5th season 'Samantha Goes South For a Spell " with its semi remake about Henry the 8th. In both Samantha is sent back to the past with no memory and has to kiss Darren in order to get back. to the present. The later episode just goes for cheap laughs while the earlier episode has warmth. You can say it was because one Darren was better than the other but I think it had more to do with poor writing. The show had run its course long before it ended. I didn't buy the later seasons because I didn't think they were good, not because I disagreed with its politics, which I don't believe it had. I think anyone who says Bewitched had a liberal agenda is just feeding their conservative need to see liberal 'witches" in anything from Hollywood. I would hardly think Boyce and Hart was anyone's idea of a hip rock band in the 1960's. Probably the most liberal episode it did was "Sisters At Heart" where Tabitha gave herself and her black friend polka dots so they would look like and be sisters. I don't see the conservatives complaining about that episode as it probably wouldn't be politically correct to do so today.
Gary, I'll just say that I do believe Paul Mavis hit on a truth about ideology in his reviews. And I'll just leave it at that. To each his own. 
Quote:
Originally Posted by
BobO'Link 
Frankly, I felt your comments were very pertinent, especially considering the context in which you made them. You were simply expressing an opinion and made some very valid comments about the series in general. Life experiences alter your perspective of what is, and is not, funny or offensive. It's when people share theirs, like you did, that others can understand and hopefully become more sensitive to possible offensive behavior. I'd never really noticed how much drinking takes place at the Stevens's until you mentioned it.
I was never bothered by the witchcraft in the series as I saw it all as pure fantasy. Even though I grew up in a *very* conservative Christian household
Bewitched was not considered offensive. As far as the drinking, my recollections are this was fairly "normal" for TV and films of the era. In the 60s it seemed that someone was *always* lighting up and/or getting a drink in almost every TV show and film. As Ethan indictes, the "funny drunk" was farily common in 50s/60s TV, although I rarely found these skits funny (Vitameatavegimin being a rare exception mainly because it was an unintended consequence). I was not then, nor now, bothered by the drinking in
Bewitched but I very much understand circumstances can change that view and make it offensive, especially those in your situation.
Keep on sharing Gary. I always enjoy your comments/reflections.
Thanks a lot, Howie. I appreciate the kind words. It's not that I'm blind to the fact that drinking was often a mainstay in 50's and 60's TV. Heck, I love westerns and there's plenty of scenes involving alcohol in those. Look at The Andy Griffith Show and Otis. I laugh like everyone else in those instances. No problems at all with the occasional reference/scene involving drinking. I just thought with Bewitched in particular it seemed like an overdone thing. And that's really all there is to it. Nothing more and nothing less. I wasn't then, nor am I now, telling other people what should or shouldn't influence how they watch a TV show or what they do or don't enjoy about it. Not at all.
I hope this has helped explain where I was coming from.
Gary "take care, everyone" O.