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A few words about...™ Pinocchio -- in Blu-ray

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The miracle workers as Disney have taken an old nitrate SE negative, and turned it into an extraordinary entertainment fit for the 21st century.

With all of the original elements safely duplicated with redundancy, I have no problem with yet another new incarnation of majestic, classic Disney animation.

Compared to the last SD release, resolution is far beyond in every way, the last looking very much the dupe of a dupe that it was. Tens of thousands of bits of "Disney dust" have been eliminated along with whatever wear there was, and color and detail have reached a new high.

Because of the original printing process, what you can now project or view in your home theater will be far sharper and with higher resolution that one could see at the Bijou in well... February of 1940.

While a 70th Anniversary Edition sounds nice, it just isn't so. Pinocchio premiered in the U.S. on February 7, 1940.

Regardless of age, which Disney still does not discuss -- only a small mention of "2009 Blu-ray Release," this set, labeled "2-disc" which is actually a 3-disc, will charm and terrorize the youth of the 21st century anew.

On a personal note, as someone affected, I applaud Disney's intro against second hand smoke. The execs have sent the correct message. Nothing healthier for someone in utero than a nice smoke.

Pinocchio has been brilliantly re-worked and brought to Blu-ray. This is a disc perfect in every detail, inclusive of the original RKO Radio logo.

Once again, the technical staff and vendors used by Disney have performed in a yeoman-like fashion.

Pinocchio is Highly Recommended!

Happy 69th Pinocch!

RAH

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Pinocchio (Two-Disc 70th Anniversary Platinum Edition + Standard DVD+ BD Live) [Blu-ray]
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A title I've been highly anticipating and one that dovetails nicely with my recent visit to Rome (and the nice wooden, hand-carved Pinocchio dolls I brought back for my children). Looking forward to this one. Glad to know it comes highly recommended.
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Thanks Robert. I just ordered a copy. I did come across this contrary opinion though, from someone named Jon Olivan, on the Amazon page:

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BEWARE PURISTS--this Digitally Restored version TAMPERED WITH ORIGINAL ARTWORK'S COLOR PALETTE!!!,

I just saw a special engagement of this latest 70th Anniversary version of Pinnochio at Disney's El Capitan Theatre in Hollywood in advance of the DVD re-release. Though I am happy to see the movie be given public exposure on a big theatrical screen, over the years I have seen many theatrical screenings of the movie on at least 12 different occasions including an original nitrate 3-strip Technicolor studio vault print in the early 1980's (before the studio dismantled its last nitrate screening room) and non-digital film restorations and was shocked to see that this latest restored version has digitally tampered with the film's original color palette for no justifiable reason.

Some of the chosen character hues are modern day, popular color hues, but look out of place in this early animated classic including certain pinks, reds and blues which are reused so often in identical shades that to classic animation buffs it becomes distractingly noticeable. For those animation buffs who know about Pinnochio, Walt intentionally muted colors in some of the scarier or sadder scenes. In the restored version, for example, when Pinnochio gets locked in Geppetto's "birdcage" the nighttime scene is bright and garish where it should intentionally be darker and muted.

The original movie had hand inked character outlines in colors that matched the interior ink colors, none of that is apparent in this restoration. The characters, though admittedly sharper and clearer, look color-wise like they were electronically tampered with, then reinserted in front of the original backgrounds.

At this point, the damage is done and obviously this restoration was "stylistic." But in any case, it might be compared with someone redoing the Mona Lisa with more modern color hues for the purpose of improving the artwork or making it more modern day acceptable. Either two things, perhaps no one at Disney was knowledgeable enough to notice what the outside restoration company was planning to do with the film in early test segments or maybe they figured that modern day DVD audiences would not know the difference or care, but this is the first "DIGITALLY RESTORED" classic Disney film that I have ever taken issue with. What a let down since it is my very favorite Disney film of all!!!

P.S. I was the founder of the former, long time Disney employees' Animated Film Club (later referred to as the Disney Film Club) which included Disneyland and Walt Disney Studio employees. It was founded in 1976 and continued on and off for many years afterward with visits from surviving original Disney animators, screenings of rare Disney footage and more.
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^ An animation fan that hates a new release of a classic title? NO WAY!!

Anyway, thanks for the review, RAH. I'm looking forward to it.
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Pinocchio always had a muted pastel look to the backgrounds. Monstro the Whale had some the most complex coloring that I have seen in a traditionally animated film. The shading on Monstro was amazing.

I would like to know if the film maintains the muted color palette or has the color been pumped to make it look like the flat, inferior, color stylings that modern 2D animated films took on?
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can't wait
...... now bring on A.I. please
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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
Pinocchio always had a muted pastel look to the backgrounds. Monstro the Whale had some the most complex coloring that I have seen in a traditionally animated film. The shading on Monstro was amazing.

I would like to know if the film maintains the muted color palette or has the color been pumped to make it look like the flat, inferior, color stylings that modern 2D animated films took on?

Most likely...

By the way great The Good, The Bad and The Ugly sig
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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
I would like to know if the film maintains the muted color palette...

If it doesn't, let William Friedkin know, and he will fix it!
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...I applaud Disney's intro against second hand smoke. The execs have sent the correct message....

I don't. It's bad enough I have to sit through FBI warnings, commentary disclaimers by the studio, trailers (I love trailers but make them a menu item and not required viewing before the movie), etc.

Now I have to sit through some PC banter about second-hand smoke? What's next from Disney - a surcharge for carbon footprints? An anti soda campaign? A trash the Twinkies and MacDonalds fat diatribe?

Disney has deleted and manipulated scenes in some of their classic animation movies in the interest of being PC. They are so paranoid about "offending" someone they have taken this to pathological extremes and as a result we'll likely never see Song Of The South or Fantasia or Dumbo or what have you in their original forms. Sad days.

Brad
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^ Yeah, I'm mad at Disney for caring about people's health too.

Do I want to see something telling me that smoking (or second hand smoking) is bad? No but I'll live with it.
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LOL if you think it is about them caring for anyone's health.

It is more about them caring for thier bottom line.

If it means they didn't tamper with the scenes, then I guess it is better to get a lecture up front than to watch an edited feature.
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LOL if you think it is about them caring for anyone's health.

It is more about them caring for thier bottom line.

If it means they didn't tamper with the scenes, then I guess it is better to get a lecture up front than to watch an edited feature.
I was being sarcastic and I realize that Disney doesn't care if I drop dead from smoking 5 packs a day if I buy their stuff before I croak. Like you said, if a PSA means that they aren't 'erasing' the smoking from the movie, I'm fine with it.
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Anyone remember how the "50th Anniversary Edition" of Lady and The Tramp was actually its 51st anniversary? I was always wondering where that extra year went. Evidently, they banked it and gave it to Pinocchio.

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Happy 69th Pinocch!



I'm looking forward to this. Thanks for the review, RAH.

-R
post #14 of 270

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Considering Walt himself died from smoking, the warning is a little too little too late, really.

But I prefer the warning over cutting out the smoking scenes.
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Can you at least chapter skip the PC, ass covering?
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Don't forget that the target audience for this film are kids. I'm okay with the anti-smoking PSA (as someone whose father who used to chain smoke). If it means they leave the scenes in the movie, all the better.

Hey if this works, maybe they'll do a PSA for anti-racism and finally release Song of the South?
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When you wish upon a star...

Bring on the HD cricket!

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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
Don't forget that the target audience for this film are kids. I'm okay with the anti-smoking PSA (as someone whose father who used to chain smoke). If it means they leave the scenes in the movie, all the better.

Hey if this works, maybe they'll do a PSA for anti-racism and finally release Song of the South?
Warner did it for Looney Toons--I don't see why not.
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If it doesn't, let William Friedkin know, and he will fix it!
William Friedkin's Pinocchio...

Sorry, couldn't resist
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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
Don't forget that the target audience for this film are kids. I'm okay with the anti-smoking PSA (as someone whose father who used to chain smoke). If it means they leave the scenes in the movie, all the better.

Hey if this works, maybe they'll do a PSA for anti-racism and finally release Song of the South?

I've seen Song of the South numerous times, and have never found it to be racist. If anything, the former slaves, now free men and women still living on the plantation, are those whom one would wish to have actually raising one's children, as the wealthy white parents, don't seem to care all that much until there's a problem.

SotS makes Uncle Remus and his brethren the heroes of the tale.

But that was 140 years ago, and today...

Possibly things haven't changed that much.

Beyond that SotS exhibits some of cinematographer Gregg Toland's (Citizen Kane) finest work, in absolutely magnificent Technicolor!

RAH
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I've seen Song of the South numerous times, and have never found it to be racist. If anything, the former slaves, now free men and women still living on the plantation, are those whom one would wish to have actually raising one's children, as the wealthy white parents, don't seem to care all that much until there's a problem.

SotS makes Uncle Remus and his brethren the heroes of the tale.

But that was 140 years ago, and today...

Possibly things haven't changed that much.

Beyond that SotS exhibits some of cinematographer Gregg Toland's (Citizen Kane) finest work, in absolutely magnificent Technicolor!

RAH
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Ugh!
That just makes me want too see "SotS" even more in HD!
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RAH, what is your favorite "Technicolor" HDM today?
"TAoRH", maybe?
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Well, at least a 69 yr old film on smoking will look 'good' on todays digital displays.
However, is that really the point of HiRez or was it to reproduce the original source? (JJ)
This is just another BD title we needed too have multiple versions in the release (seriously).
(they could call one: new "Kiddie Kandy" color & one old "Dirty Drab" color.
I'd think I'd go for the "Dirty"... butt hay, that's just me!)
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Originally Posted by Felix Martinez
William Friedkin's Pinocchio...

Sorry, couldn't resist

Bit to much grain for my taste. Can we crank up the EE too?

Yea, thats right, soften it, then add the EE.

But really, i think it will be a great disc. Its on pre-order.

Id rather an anti smoking PSA, than the dont steal movies! On movies i buy!
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I'm with those who say as long as they leave the film untouched they can show whatever PSA they deem appropriate for the material. After all this is Disney so I'm a little surprised it hasn't been cleaned up to some degree.
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Just taking a look at the disc now - the oldest title in my Blu collection, although it doesn't look like it. Great picture and sound. I probably won't use them but I even like the optional painted side panels that can be used to fill up a 16x9 screen. A nice touch to appease those who might complain that their whole TV screen isn't being filled up. Would have preferred a lossless (or higher bitrate than 192 kbps) track for the original mono, but its not a dealbreaker for me.

I'd echo the other comments about the anti smoking message - if including it means no edits to the film then its fine by me, and its skippable for those who don't like the idea of it anyway. Perhaps future releases of Fantasia and Song of the South could have similar messages so that any questionable content in them can be put in context.

It'll take a while to go through the bonus features - but so far the Cine-Explore commentary is again very interesting and shows the effort Disney is putting into their Platinum titles. Unlike with Sleeping Beauty there's no cardboard sleeve for the DVD this time - the disc is included in the Blu case, which is preferable to me at least, but may not be if people want to store it separately.

Overall I'd say this is another great release from Disney. Roll on Snow White!
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Like the last poster Jim_E I can't wait for the First and Fairest Of Them All Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs to appear on Blu Ray at long last !!!

I hope that since it's the original feature length Technicolor sound animated motion picture that they treat it with the veneration that this truly historic title deserves , and don't trash it's original colour values ( I'm sure they will trash the original colours ) but here's hoping that they don't !!

Really looking forward to this classic movie !!
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PINOCCHIO is my absolute favorite of the classic Disney animated films. I don't believe that the studio ever surpassed the level of detail, design, and heart that came together to make this masterpiece. As someone who has been clinging to his original DVD release for dear life, I am overjoyed that I can finally own the film on Blu-Ray and experience it anew. Bring on FANTASIA!!!
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PINOCCHIO is my absolute favorite of the classic Disney animated films. I don't believe that the studio ever surpassed the level of detail, design, and heart that came together to make this masterpiece.

Couldn't agree more, Brian.

Beauty and the Beast is at the top of my list, too. And while it can compete in the detail & design portion of your statement...the heart belongs, hands-down, to Pinocchio.
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I'm going to get it tomorrow. I can also compare it to the previous restoration that was done for the region 2 dvd. They are similar in one point: the RKO logo was there in that restored version as well.
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All this talk of "trashed colour values" makes me want to get out my Disney Animation: The Illusion of Life and do a comparison with my calibrated display. I think the original cels will tell us more than an original nitrate print, as original Technicolor prints would hae printed the dye transfer onto receiving stock with a 50% density copy of the green element (in B & W) exposed on it, increasing contrast but at the same time "dulling" the colour overall. I would hope that Disney would (as they have in the past) use whatever surviving cels exist as colour reference.
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