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There are rabid South Park fans who can't get enough of it, there are those who can't abide it, and then a few in the middle.

This is a show that I'd watch with my son once he thought I was old enough, and found it oddly humorous.

Having grown up on Disney animation, where one can count the moving blades of grass in the background, South Park seemed somehow less animated. Even less so than the Looney Tunes and Merry Melodies.

I've also only had the opportunity to see it broadcast in standard definition on a rear projection LCD. Seeing South Park projected in high definition on a hundred or so inch screen is a slightly different experience.

Rather like the difference between damming up water in a slowly moving stream and watching it rise an inch as a child, and Charlton Heston parting the waters of the Sea.

South Park on Blu-ray may be too radical an experience for some.

Colors pop in intensity, while facial highlights play in and out of meticulously drawn shadows. Well, there may actually not be any facial highlights, but I surmise that skin tones are accurate to something. Everything has been raised to hurricane force imagery.

The audio also is a totally different experience in Dolby True HD. The score, while not reaching the heights of Moross, Steiner, Korngold or Bernstein, takes on a life of its own with new intensity and clarity.

Even the performances stand out in Blu-ray, as the camera hovers for even larger close-ups, with details more readily perceived. There is nothing more electrifying that a fine thespian in close up.

For those who hold South Park in a special place, Paramount's new Blu-ray of Season Twelve, may be the final point toward the decision toward the purchase of a Blu-ray player and a huge screen.

Life is good, and South Park on Blu-ray has everything a fan could ask. It comes Highly Recommended.

BTW, rumors that South Park is shot on three-strip Technicolor are false.


RAH

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post #2 of 48

Re: A few words about...™ South Park - The Complete Twelfth Season -- in Blu-ray

Wow.

As Cartman himself might say, that review by RAH was "sweeeeeeeet!"

post #3 of 48

Re: A few words about...™ South Park - The Complete Twelfth Season -- in Blu-ray

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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
The score, while not reaching the heights of Moross, Steiner, Korngold or Bernstein, takes on a life of its own with new intensity and clarity.
Nice post, Mr. Harris.
post #4 of 48

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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
This is a show that I'd watch with my son once he thought I was old enough, and found it oddly humorous.

You know, at first I thought this was a typo, but South Park being South Park, I'm not really sure!
post #5 of 48

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Wow. When I first heard about this release, I must admit I thought "Why?". I am big fan of South Park, but always found it visually... over-simplistic? I didn't think an HD version would make much difference.

After reading this it has instantly become a must-buy. Is it in widescreen? I've never seen South Park in widescreen (even when it is broadcast in HD) apart from the BL&U movie, that is.

Anyway, thanks RAH. Can't wait now.
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Re: A few words about...™ South Park - The Complete Twelfth Season -- in Blu-ray

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Originally Posted by FranklinC
Wow. When I first heard about this release, I must admit I thought "Why?". I am big fan of South Park, but always found it visually... over-simplistic? I didn't think an HD version would make much difference.

After reading this it has instantly become a must-buy. Is it in widescreen? I've never seen South Park in widescreen (even when it is broadcast in HD) apart from the BL&U movie, that is.

Anyway, thanks RAH. Can't wait now.

Wide screen, and a set of discs that displays one of the most instantly drastic differences between standard and high definition that I've ever seen. I'm quite serious when I say that I expect this release will sell a nice quantity of Blu-ray players to new adopters, and deserved so!

RAH
post #7 of 48

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It doesn't surprise me as far as improvement to HD. Animation benefits so much from HD. I remember watching the Simpsons movie and couldn't believe it. I'll have to check this out.
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It should be noted that it's probably matted widescreen, like the Justice League cartoon series. I checked some episodes online and there's an awful lot of headspace in about every shot.
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Originally Posted by Brian Borst
It should be noted that it's probably matted widescreen,
That's what I was wondering. Can someone confirm?
post #10 of 48

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Take this for what it is worth:
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On Wednesday March 11, 2009 at 10 pm EST South Park goes HD. We are really excited because, not only will the season premiere be in HD, but we have been working hard for over a year re-rendering previous seasons in native HD. We are not up-converting the episodes, but actually going into each episode and re-rendering every shot and frame at true HD.
Source: SouthParkStudios.com
post #11 of 48

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re-rendering previous seasons in native HD.
OK, I understand that they aren't upconverting, but if the presentation of season 12 is 16x9, they still have to be cropping the top and bottom, right?
post #12 of 48

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Originally Posted by MarkHastings
OK, I understand that they aren't upconverting, but if the presentation of season 12 is 16x9, they still have to be cropping the top and bottom, right?
I imagine this to be like Pixar's re-formatting of their films for full-frame versions. In other words, the various shots are re-formatted depending on the visual content, and (notably) done by the creators of the show instead of a third party.
post #13 of 48

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No, the past few seasons of South Park were rendered in HD and in 16x9. On DirecTV, Comedy Central has been airing the HD broadcasts of the past season, and there is more information on the sides than before.
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Am I the only one who senses a very tongue in cheek element to RAH's comments?

C'mon guys - he says that South Park will sell reams of BD players. Are people really taking that seriously?
post #15 of 48

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
Am I the only one who senses a very tongue in cheek element to RAH's comments?

C'mon guys - he says that South Park will sell reams of BD players. Are people really taking that seriously?

Well, I took parts of the post to be playfully facetious, i.e. "fine thespian" comment, but with regards to the selling of BD players, he did say "For those who hold South Park in a special place...". So, I take him at his word, if the improvement is that drastic.
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Originally Posted by FranklinC
Well, I took parts of the post to be playfully facetious, i.e. "fine thespian" comment, but with regards to the selling of BD players, he did say "For those who hold South Park in a special place...". So, I take him at his word, if the improvement is that drastic.

I think RAH was essentially telling us there ISN'T any/much difference between South Park SD and South Park Blu-Ray. How can you take comments like this seriously?

"South Park on Blu-ray may be too radical an experience for some.

Colors pop in intensity, while facial highlights play in and out of meticulously drawn shadows. Well, there may actually not be any facial highlights, but I surmise that skin tones are accurate to something. Everything has been raised to hurricane force imagery.

The audio also is a totally different experience in Dolby True HD. The score, while not reaching the heights of Moross, Steiner, Korngold or Bernstein, takes on a life of its own with new intensity and clarity.

Even the performances stand out in Blu-ray, as the camera hovers for even larger close-ups, with details more readily perceived. There is nothing more electrifying that a fine thespian in close up."

C'mon - he's describing cardboard cut-out animated characters as "fine thespians" and referring to the super-basic visuals as being "raised to hurricane force imagery"!

My gut tells me that the show on Blu-Ray will look and sound a heckuva lot like the show on SD-DVD, and RAH is glib enough throughout this review to reinforce that notion. I'm really surprised so many seem to be taking his comments at face value...
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Just the day before I read RAH's "review", I was watching SP and thinking South Park would be the LAST thing I'd ever need or want to get on BD. I mean the broadcasts and DVDs have to be some of the lousiest-looking out there. Acceptable for what it is is the best I could say.

So I really didn't know what to make of what RAH said. On one hand I thought "good", now it'll look half decent. OTOH I thought "what's there to see?".

I think RAH was a little too subtle for me this time...

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
Am I the only one who senses a very tongue in cheek element to RAH's comments?

C'mon guys - he says that South Park will sell reams of BD players. Are people really taking that seriously?
post #18 of 48

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Fellas: This dialogue gives me pause...

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Originally Posted by FranklinC
Wow. When I first heard about this release, I must admit I thought "Why?". I am big fan of South Park, but always found it visually... over-simplistic? I didn't think an HD version would make much difference.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Harris
...a set of discs that displays one of the most instantly drastic differences between standard and high definition that I've ever seen. I'm quite serious when I say that I expect this release will sell a nice quantity of Blu-ray players to new adopters, and deserved so!
post #19 of 48

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Fellas: This dialogue gives me pause...

Mike, do you think RAH is being wholly sarcastic or here or is his praise genuine?

Must admit I'm perplexed that Colin is so sure of himself here. Maybe I'm just gullible...
post #20 of 48

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Genuine.

I think he's slightly tongue-in-cheek the way he's explaining it...but I believe he's honestly enthusiastic about this release.
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Originally Posted by FranklinC
Mike, do you think RAH is being wholly sarcastic or here or is his praise genuine?

Must admit I'm perplexed that Colin is so sure of himself here. Maybe I'm just gullible...

Maybe - and maybe I'm wrong and RAH really thinks that South Park looks/sounds a billion times better on Blu-Ray than on SD-DVD.

But I don't think so. I'm sure the discs look/sound fine, but cripes, it's South Park! Not Snow White, not Ratatouille, not anything with great - or even GOOD - production values. That's not a slam on the series - I'm a fan and I've reviewed all 12 seasons plus all the compilations. It's just reality - South Park isn't a series that will benefit from increased picture/sound resolution.

It's cardboard cutouts with a pretty simple soundtrack. Seriously - do you guys REALLY think RAH - the same guy that's intimately familiar with flicks like Lawrence of Arabia and Vertigo - is going to cream his pants over the Blu-Ray presentation of South Park?

I don't doubt RAH thinks the discs are fine. I very much doubt he liked them as much as this review indicates. Has he ever written another review so full of hyperbole?
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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Genuine.

I think he's slightly tongue-in-cheek the way he's explaining it...but I believe he's honestly enthusiastic about this release.

"Slightly"? "SLIGHTLY"???

Like I mentioned above, RAH isn't given to excessive praise. Where else will you find comments like:

"Everything has been raised to hurricane force imagery."

"The score, while not reaching the heights of Moross, Steiner, Korngold or Bernstein, takes on a life of its own with new intensity and clarity."

The guy's comparing the simple music of the series to the scores of classic composers. He's describing cardboard cutouts as showing "hurricane force imagery". He's calling those same cutouts "fine thespians".

Again, maybe I'm way off-base and RAH was totally - or even mostly serious - with his absurdly over-the-top praise. But I doubt it. Methinks I need to sell you guys a bridge...
post #23 of 48
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Re: A few words about...™ South Park - The Complete Twelfth Season -- in Blu-ray

To clear up any concerns, "tongue in cheek" would be the concept of the day...

with the exception that these discs do truly look Amazing, taking into consideration what they are.

Once you get past the point that we are viewing what I assume to be bits of paper, (I'm a bit foggy on how precisely they get paper to speak) the Blu-ray has taken South Park to another level -- and on that I am totally serious!

As I noted above, fans of this series are in for a major treat.

This is not Gone with the Wind, nor Lawrence of Arabia. This is South Park. But it is NOT the South Park that I've seen on TV. The quality is far, far above that.

Clear?

RAH
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Okay, RAH. I'm glad I didn't misunderstand your meaning from the beginning. I'll be picking this up for sure on your recommendation.

I just hope I have enough money after I buy this really sweet bridge from Colin...
post #25 of 48

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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
To clear up any concerns, "tongue in cheek" would be the concept of the day...

with the exception that these discs do truly look Amazing, taking into consideration what they are.

Once you get past the point that we are viewing what I assume to be bits of paper, (I'm a bit foggy on how precisely they get paper to speak) the Blu-ray has taken South Park to another level -- and on that I am totally serious!

As I noted above, fans of this series are in for a major treat.

This is not Gone with the Wind, nor Lawrence of Arabia. This is South Park. But it is NOT the South Park that I've seen on TV. The quality is far, far above that.

Clear?

RAH

Thanks RAH

I am a big fan of this series and your posts have me VERY excited! I am confused on the actual release date as I have seen both the 10th and the 17th....which is it?
post #26 of 48

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^ It's March 10.
post #27 of 48

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Originally Posted by Mike Williams
No, the past few seasons of South Park were rendered in HD and in 16x9.
Ah. I don't get CC HD and the SD channel apparently crops the sides off.

That's good to know. I'll definitely be getting the BD version because the SD-DVD's say the apect ratio is 1.33:1 which would mean P&S...so I assume everyone here is also getting the BD version, or you have some 'splainin to do!
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
Once you get past the point that we are viewing what I assume to be bits of paper

Of course, they haven't used real paper cutouts for years, it's all done digitally. That's how some episodes are topical, sometimes just days after specific events the stories are sometimes based on.
post #29 of 48

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Originally Posted by FranklinC
Okay, RAH. I'm glad I didn't misunderstand your meaning from the beginning. I'll be picking this up for sure on your recommendation.

I just hope I have enough money after I buy this really sweet bridge from Colin...

Hey, I'm not selling anything!

Anyway, I thought RAH was more sarcastic than he was, but he still poured on an awful lot of irony. And I remain skeptical that the Blu-Ray offers a substantial improvement over the SD-DVD just because I remain skeptical that anything can make South Park look and sound particularly good. It's a show with limited animation and a restricted soundtrack - it's never going to be remarkable in either realm.

RAH states that the Blu-Ray is very good for what it is. I sense some here interpreted his comments to mean somehow South Park would offer a stunning visual and auditory experience, not just look/sound very good for South Park...
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Originally Posted by MarkHastings
Ah. I don't get CC HD and the SD channel apparently crops the sides off.

That's good to know. I'll definitely be getting the BD version because the SD-DVD's say the apect ratio is 1.33:1 which would mean P&S...so I assume everyone here is also getting the BD version, or you have some 'splainin to do!

Do we know for sure that the 1.33:1 is cropped and the 1.78:1 is the "real" ratio? It seems odd to me that they'd put out SD-DVDs with the cropped ratio - not sure why they wouldn't make those 1.78:1 as well. Then again, I'm not sure why they'd make "fake widescreen" versions for the Blu-Ray crowd either...
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