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Originally Posted by Brent M
Oh, and that reporter sounds like a total d-bag.
Gosh, what a font of flailing and contrarian opinions. Lots and lots of grasping, including the need to brainlessly elevate Jay to bolster his own argument.

Sounds like the dumb kind of overthought, navel gazing counter argument you'd expect from the Village Voice.
post #92 of 212

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I loved cactus chef playing “we didn't start the fire” on the flute, lol. One of the funniest things he they ever did, IMO. But I can see what he's saying. The good news is that he's funny without the more arbitrary nonsensical stuff.
post #93 of 212

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Leno's a more disciplined comedian. He packed a much longer routine into the opening monologue than Conan does, because for him it was about the content of what was being said and not the delivery. I know quite a few long time Tonight Show viewers that are turned off by Conan's flailing about in the beginning. They think he's nervous and uncomfortable, which in turn makes them feel uncomfortable.

The dynamics are different at 11:35, and we haven't yet seen what the new status quo with Conan is going to be yet. I do know that Leno's appearances on Late Night when Letterman hosted it were funnier than anything I've seen Conan come up with. I also know that bits like "Rodeo Rd" were funnier than anything I can remember seeing on Leno's Tonight Show.

I do know that I can't stand Jimmy Fallon, and flip right over to CBS for the 12:30 hour.
post #94 of 212

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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt
Leno's a more disciplined comedian. He packed a much longer routine into the opening monologue than Conan does, because for him it was about the content of what was being said and not the delivery. I know quite a few long time Tonight Show viewers that are turned off by Conan's flailing about in the beginning. They think he's nervous and uncomfortable, which in turn makes them feel uncomfortable.
I agree with you about Conan's delivery -- as big a fan as I am, I usually skip the monologue because the frequent pauses and diversions were distracting and annoying. I am a bit baffled by your first comment about Jay's monologues. The content was pretty weak and, as snobbish as it sounds, it was really dumbed down. Not my cup of tea. Needless to say, I stopped them monologues a long time ago.

But when it comes to pre-taped material, Conan's stuff is so far and beyond stuff like Jay-walking (so bad it makes me angry) it's not even close. The in studio stuff from Conan is also light years ahead of the shit Jay would spew forth. My Conan viewing (via DVR, natch) is skip monologue, watch first bit, and then skip around to see if there are any other bits, and stay for the occasional guest I'm interested in. Typically, it's a 20 minute viewing.
post #95 of 212

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Conan does take his sweet time in the monologue, which is a fair criticism. He seems to relish in the idea of contemplating a joke, or under/over selling it after the fact, as well as enjoying general banter with Max, Andy and the crowd. I like it, but I can see why others would pass on the style. I never get the idea that he's nervous, though.

The one thing I do wish Conan would retire are the Kirstie Alley fat jokes. They simply cross the line for me. Larry King old jokes? No big deal. Making fun of people's behavior, such as Paris Hilton's promiscuity? Tolerable, mainly because Hilton uses it herself to a certain degree to sell her image. But the Alley stuff is just too mean spirited.
post #96 of 212

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Conan's biggest targets (he must have these listed in the writer's room):
1-Kirstie Alley (weight)
2-OJ (murdering)
3-Larry King (age)
4-Paris Hilton (skankiness)
5-Ben Affleck (box office poison)
6-Bush (bufoon)

honourable mentions:
-Amy Winehouse
-MC Hammer


who am i leaving out?
post #97 of 212

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Originally Posted by Hanson Yoo
I agree with you about Conan's delivery -- as big a fan as I am, I usually skip the monologue because the frequent pauses and diversions were distracting and annoying. I am a bit baffled by your first comment about Jay's monologues. The content was pretty weak and, as snobbish as it sounds, it was really dumbed down. Not my cup of tea. Needless to say, I stopped them monologues a long time ago.
I was not stating an opinion of quality on Leno's monologue, only the objective fact that Jay was more content driven than Conan and packed more material in each night. I agree, he rehashed the same jokes night after night so that one monologue was pretty much like any other. Jay is a master of stand-up as an art form, whereas what Conan does is barely stand-up in the traditional sense.
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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
I never get the idea that he's nervous, though.
I don't either, being familiar with his body language. People unfamiliar with his persona (which many Tonight Show viewers are), misread his schtick.
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Originally Posted by EricW
who am i leaving out?
In a nod to Leno's Tonight Show, he's taken on the campaign against Joe Biden and the L.A. Clippers.
post #98 of 212

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That telenovella bit is definitely the first one on the Tonight Show that has fallen completely flat for me. But with how funny it's been until then, that's okay.
post #99 of 212

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excellent chess move by the show tonight.

the skit where the conan screened his show to the senior citizens was a great way to paint those who don't like the show as 'old' and not cool.

smart.

the monologue is getting better.

the twitter tracker is already lame.
post #100 of 212

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Originally Posted by Diallo B
excellent chess move by the show tonight.

the skit where the conan screened his show to the senior citizens was a great way to paint those who don't like the show as 'old' and not cool.

smart.
The skit was already in the can before Conan even started last week. He teased it and showed clips when he guested on Leno's final Tonight Show.
post #101 of 212

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who am i leaving out?

Scott Baio

(Celebrity Survey used to just eviscerate Baio.)

- Walter.
post #102 of 212

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Originally Posted by pitchman
The skit was already in the can before Conan even started last week. He teased it and showed clips when he guested on Leno's final Tonight Show.

and that makes it a well planned chess move.

always think at least two moves ahead.
post #103 of 212

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Originally Posted by EricW
Conan's biggest targets (he must have these listed in the writer's room):
1-Kirstie Alley (weight)
2-OJ (murdering)
3-Larry King (age)
4-Paris Hilton (skankiness)
5-Ben Affleck (box office poison)
6-Bush (bufoon)

honourable mentions:
-Amy Winehouse
-MC Hammer


who am i leaving out?

All these years, and my mind still read the bolded phrase in Norm McDonald's voice.

post #104 of 212

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Originally Posted by Diallo B
and that makes it a well planned chess move.

always think at least two moves ahead.
I like Conan and am a big fan of the new program (I have not missed a night yet.) That said, I am not sure I agree with your assessment of the timing of this skit. He may have been better served to air it on night one or night two (since he promoted it on Leno's final Tonight Show.) Or, better yet, not air it at all. The way it is now, his critics can say that this only further demonstrates how Conan is abandoning older, more traditional Leno viewers. The fact that Conan's numbers have declined each night since his debut may lend some unwanted credence to that belief.

These battles are not won in days or weeks, but in years. That said, first impressions are very important and they can be difficult to change. Just ask Jay Leno. Leno's original version of the Tonight Show was considered by many of the Carson faithful to be a pale imitation and a huge letdown, and as a result, they tuned out in droves. It literally took a full three years (and LOTS of internal changes) for Jay to turn that poor first impression around. I am not saying this will be the case with Conan, but I am not sure how airing a skit that can potentially alienate an important segment of the very audience he needs to succeed is going to help his cause.

When you poke fun at yourself, another celebrity or a public figure, the audience will usually laugh right along with you. But, when you make fun of your audience (and especially late at night) some viewers will not find the humor and may not stick around. Time will tell.
post #105 of 212

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Originally Posted by pitchman
..... but I am not sure how airing a skit that can potentially alienate an important segment of the very audience he needs to succeed is going to help his cause.

good point.

i wonder if nbc even cares about losing older viewers. if the coveted age range to get good money from advertisers is the 18-36/40 demographic perhaps they are trying to focus there to maximize advertising revenue.

and since, at least anectdotaly, jay leno has an older demographic perhaps nbc has conceded that those viewers will tune in at 10. if we see a bunch of polident and pain killer commercials in his slot we will know.
post #106 of 212

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Echoing some of the sentiments I expressed in my earlier post, The Hollywood Reporter is reporting today that Letterman beat Conan for the first time last night. The story includes a graph showing the night-by-night decline in viewership for Conan's Tonight Show. So far, at least, it looks a lot of folks have sampled Conan but they do not appear to be sticking with him. A demo win for Conan is certainly nothing to sneeze at, but considering the dominance in total viewers that the program has enjoyed for years, I'm sure this news has to give pause to some of the "suits" at NBC who pushed for the change.
post #107 of 212

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Originally Posted by pitchman
Echoing some of the sentiments I expressed in my earlier post, The Hollywood Reporter ......

ouch!!! that graph would hurt anybody's feelings.

what a precipitous drop.
post #108 of 212

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funny.

http://www.free-times.com/index.php?...10906091941108



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Does Conan O’Brien’s new Tonight Show set owe its inspiration to the Super Mario Bros. video game? The Serious Lunch blog (seriouslunch.blogspot.com) suggested last week that it does and showed what appeared to be screen shots of O’Brien in front of his actual set followed by O’Brien superimposed over the Super Mario Bros. background. Sure enough, the resemblance is uncanny and numerous web sites blew up with comments on the matter. But wait! It was all something of a joke, writes James Hibberd at The Live Feed (thrfeed.com). Though many people assumed “that somebody on the Tonight Show production team literally stole their set design from the game,” Hibberd writes, actually Serious Lunch blogger Tim Bierbaum “created the effect in Photoshop.” Said Bierbaum: “I just noticed how the shapes behind him look like Mario levels … It’s pretty funny. I’m glad it’s inspired some discussion.” O’Brien himself mentioned the blog on his show.
post #109 of 212
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BTW, that Norm interview above is one of the funniest things in any interview show; I always die watching that.
post #110 of 212

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Originally Posted by Diallo B
ouch!!! that graph would hurt anybody's feelings.

what a precipitous drop.
That ultimately means next to nothing. He was gonna have a drop from the premiere to week 2 no matter how well received the show was. I've tuned in every night, and I've NEVER done that for The Tonight Show. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

This also means next to nothing, but I do find it interesting that Conan beat Letterman on Monday when Letterman had Howard Stern. Didn't Letterman always beat Leno when Stern was on his show?
post #111 of 212

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I wonder if many people new Stern was on.

My onscreen guide on didn't have Stern listed as a guest.
post #112 of 212

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No matter how many times I see that clip with Norm, I still laugh my ass off every time.
post #113 of 212

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
That ultimately means next to nothing. He was gonna have a drop from the premiere to week 2 no matter how well received the show was. I've tuned in every night, and I've NEVER done that for The Tonight Show. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

This also means next to nothing, but I do find it interesting that Conan beat Letterman on Monday when Letterman had Howard Stern. Didn't Letterman always beat Leno when Stern was on his show?

i hope that you and others that share your sentiment understand that i am not rooting for the failure of o'brien.

while i don't find him all that funny i do like the guy and hope he succeeds and grows as a good host. i don't care for letterman either (his entitlement issues, same for stern) although i will watch him and i do think that he is actually funny.
post #114 of 212

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hilarious.

i've been thinking for the past week that dane cook with a little bit of grooming would be an excellent tonight show host.

and lo and behold he is on tonight's show. how ironic.
post #115 of 212

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My dad doesn't find Conan funny - too silly for his tastes, which I understand.

After watching the focus group clip, I didn't really feel like Conan was making fun of those people. The humor was really at his own expense. What they had to say was funny, but personally I didn't think them idiots for saying what they did. Just like I don't think my dad is uncool for feeling the way he does. I guess the question is ultimately whether an older person seeing that clip would have the same impression or if they'd feel mocked. Would they even be watching if they didn't like him? Sort of like jokes about the Amish...
post #116 of 212

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Originally Posted by Diallo B
hilarious.

i've been thinking for the past week that dane cook with a little bit of grooming would be an excellent tonight show host.

and lo and behold he is on tonight's show. how ironic.

Wow, we couldn't have more different tastes, because I in general can't stand Dane Cook. He's had a very small handful of funny bits, and just is absolutely obnoxious otherwise.
post #117 of 212

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
I've tuned in every night, and I've NEVER done that for The Tonight Show. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I used to watch Leno nightly because he would always put me to sleep. LOL (seriously).

I had been anticipating Conan since the announcement was made 5 years and I couldn't have been more thrilled with his performance as host of the Tonight Show. I like the fact that he hasn't tinkered too much with the formula that he perfected over 16 years at Late Night.
post #118 of 212

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Originally Posted by Diallo B

the twitter tracker is already lame.

Completely disagree. I think it is hysterical and will be a great ongoing bit.

Dane Cook as host of the Tonight Show? I wouldn't watch.
post #119 of 212

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Well, I hope that Conan ultimately prevails in the ratings war, although I think it might prove a hard road for him to really appeal to broader audiences. Nice seeing Richter again. Something about him always hit my funnybone. I used to absolutely love Letterman's show, watching him religiously for years, but I can't stomach the sight of him anymore. This week he finalized for me what an utter scumbag he is. So, I'll certainly be rooting for Conan!
post #120 of 212
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He edged letterman last night by .1, but he's performing better in the key demos.. I expect this to be spun into a big victory, but if 3.2 is where it sits, it's still a significant ratings drop from Jay's average.. so, kind of 6 one way, half dozen the other.
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