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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
It would be nice if there was a voucher for the HD-DVD owners for a discount on the S1 or future sets.
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Originally Posted by Ric Easton
Watched "The Man Trap" and "Charlie X" last night. Looked fantastic! Looking forward to "Where No Man has Gone Before" tonight after Lost!
BTW, just occurred to me that I don't think we're gonna see Gary Mitchell in the new Trek movie. Kind of a shame, I think! Another BTW... A friend of mine at work just mentioned her kids were getting into Star Trek (collecting the new toys). They had been into Star Wars big time. I told her I had all the episodes, but now I'm wondering what to start them out on. The kids are 8 and 6. The Animated Series? Season 1 from the beginning? Would they be too slow for a kid's attention span? Go right to The Wrath of Khan? |
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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
Douglas, if Paramount would do it like Warner is doing it, you'd still get to keep the discs!
Ric, regarding entry level for Star Trek and young kids, hard to say. My earliest recollection of Star Trek is 1967 and my parents giving me the model kit of the Enterprise and I was only 6. I didn't start to get it till 8 or 9. Not sure if the Animated series would be better verses TOS. Maybe a mixture? |
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Originally Posted by Ensign Eddie
If it ships first thing in the morning, I will usually get it the next day. Most of the time I get it the second day after it ships. Since I preordered this, it shipped really early on Monday. Also, I live in Dallas which may cut down a leg or two on its journey (although there have been shipments that looked like they were playing a game of hopscotch around the country!).
BTW, I did receive the set yesterday. For what it's worth, disks 1 and 7 were also loose in my set (but I didn't see any scratches). |
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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell
I've also noticed that The Cage is not included on this set. According to IMDB it was telecast first and then Man Trap. Man Trap contains no set-up, no character introduction at all. It's been eons since I've seen the Cage, so I must assume it introduced the main characters. However, the only character carried over from The Cage is Spock.
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| So Man Trap is the introduction to the public of the Crew (except for Spock) and it plays like we know all about them (we do now). No wonder ST had such a hard time gathering ratings. |
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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
Though I'll add that there wasn't a proper introduction to the characters in any TOS episode. Sulu was a physicist in Where Man Has Gone Before and Dr. McCoy wasn't there yet.
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Originally Posted by Jason_V
Except the initial production order was not how the airdates went... Where No Man Has Gone Before was the "second pilot" after The Cage (first actual produced episode) yet aired third. The Man Trap was produced 6th and run first. There was no rhyme or reason to it.
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| Besides, does it really matter in the long run? If Spock is the only character from The Cage to be in the series, what would have been gained from airing The Cage before the first episode, whatever that happened to be? Nothing, since everyone would have to introduced in one way or another anyway. |
| (Watch Where No Man Has Gone Before again. It feels like the first episode with information on the characters and very prominent intros to a lot of them.) |
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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
Perhaps it's best to start watching Star Trek with Where No Man Has Gone before and The Corbomite Maneuver. Corbomite starts with Kirk in Sickbay and you meet Dr. McCoy for the first time. After Kirk come onto the bridge, he gets a briefing from all the departments there too from Scotty, McCoy, Sulu, Spock and the departed Bailey. You also meet Uhura and Yeoman Rand.
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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
You're right Jason, there is that sequence at the back of the bridge where Kirk is getting a short briefing in Where No Man Has Gone Before.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell
So basically, network programmers have been screwing up series forever? I can sure believe that, they really screwed up Firefly and few years back. What do they pay these guys for, to diminish the quality of their product (and thus reduce their profits)? I'll bet the re-ordering of of the episodes really made it tough on ST getting decent ratings.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell
I wasn't saying it should have been aired before the first episode, only that IMDB seemed to indicate that it was, and therefore I found it odd it wasn't included in this set. Note this is the very first season set of ST that I've owned.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell
There's a basic absurdity here. Networks pay money for a series and the producers of the show presumably want an audience. You'd think they'd be the authority on what sequence to show the episdoes in? Jeez I guess we should be grateful network programmers didn't get a chance dictate the order of the Fellowship of the Ring movies?
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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
Sorry, I posted this in another thread. Since there is so many threads about Star Trek Remastered, this should be of interest, an interview with Mike Okuda and his thoughts about the Remastered project now that it's over as well as The Cage that airs this weekend:
EXCLUSIVE: Interview with Mike Okuda - Talking “The Cage”, TOS-R On Blu-ray & more | TrekMovie.com |
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Originally Posted by Jason_V
I don't think it did screw anything up, honestly, back then. I've never heard anyone say the reordering-which happened through TOS and some TNG-hurt ratings at all.
Personally, I've never seen anything wrong with it. If someone liked the show back when it first aired, they'd look past the changes in costumes or lack of what we know see as true character intros. There were different expectations at the time from what we have now. Roddenberry and the writers wrote quality stories; NBC had the authority to air them as they saw fit. (LotR was an existing property and there was no doubt as to the correct order. Kinda like comparing apples to oranges. The Firefly example is more accurate.) |
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Originally Posted by pitchman
You have to remember that NBC passed on the original pilot, "The Cage," calling it "too cerebral" and "lacking in action," but thought enough of the basic premise to request a (pretty much unheard of at the time) second (retooled) pilot, "Where No Man Has Gone Before." When NBC green-lit the series further tweaks were requested (for instance, Spock's makeup and appearance were altered to make him look less menacing and "satanic") and "The Man Trap" was one of the first episodes completed that reflected NBC's requested changes. It certainly was not unusual for a network to "front load" their schedule with what it felt were the strongest episodes it had available come premiere time. Good, bad or indifferent, "The Man Trap" followed a tried and true 1960's television formula (it contained many of the same elements found in a successful Outer Limits or Twilight Zone episode) and this formula would be both immediately familiar and comfortable to a large segment of the potential viewing audience.
Is "The Man Trap" the best way to kick off the series that Star Trek eventually became? Probably not. But, it does contain many elements that resurfaced time and again throughout its network run. |
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Originally Posted by Mike Williams
Ric, when I was in first grade, I used to come home from school and watch Star Trek everyday. I must have been about 6 then. I think the difference between kids watching now and kids watching then is how far technology has come. The computers I work on everyday at work are far beyond the silly Majel Barrett voiced computer that's supposed to be nearly three centuries in our future. My cell phone can do more than a 23rd Century communicator, although the signal certainly doesn't reach as far. Those things could make The Original Series seem dated and corny to kids today.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell
Sure you can re-order later episodes without much effect, most of the episodes were self-contained, but don't do it at the very beginning of the series. To open with an episode that assumes we already know everyone? Not a good choice. First impressions are important and the out of order episodes may have crippled ST from the beginning. I'm spouting off here from dim memory, but I believe ST lasted three seasons because of a fan campaign. NBC wanted to cancel it before it went three seasons.
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| To tell the truth, I can't remember how much I was interested in ST when it first aired. I can see myself being turned off by the series that lead off with Man Trap. And based on air date, the first two episodes have Bones as the doctor, and the third, WNMHGB, has a different doctor. |
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Originally Posted by Jason_V
But see...this is done all the time on every network for any number of reasons. Maybe a guest star wasn't available for a certain episode's shooting schedule, so the ep was made and then aired out of order. Maybe-as with Dollhouse-the network wasn't keen on the pilot.
It happened throughout TNG's run (Tasha died in Skin of Evil which was shot before the previous episode Symbiosis, as an example), a couple times during DS9, a whole lot during Voyager (particular at the beginning of the initial seasons due to UPN wanting to get a jump on the fall season and not airing all episodes produced for a certain season within that season) and a couple times in Enterprise. |
| According to Entertainment Weekly, the following are the ten best episodes of Star Trek:[17] 1. "The City on the Edge of Forever" 2. "Space Seed" 3. "Mirror, Mirror" 4. "The Doomsday Machine" 5. "Amok Time" 6. "The Devil in the Dark" 7. "The Trouble with Tribbles" 8. "This Side of Paradise" 9. "The Enterprise Incident" 10. "Journey to Babel" |
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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell
As you said, "this is done all the time" and maybe not enough thought or care is given to the consequences of these decisions.
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| The more I think about it, the more I believe that if I watched Man Trap as the very first episode, I'd be sitting there wondering "who are these people?" and "what's with the ears?" |
| BTW, I was just looking at wikipedia ST entry and it does mention ST was not an immediate hit, a fan letter-writing campaign during season 2 saved it, but NBC put it into a certain death time slot for the 3rd season and cut it's budget. |
| It also mentions a show produced in 1983 called "ST Memories" in which Nimoy recounts his memories of working on TOS. It would be nice to have that and The Cage included on one of the next 2 seasons sets. Think of The Cage as a "deleted scene". |
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Originally Posted by ATimson
I got this today, and am looking forward to watching it. But... am I the only one who had problems with the security sticker? Paramount didn't use a U-shaped one, just a full rectangle, so most of the silver "Blu-Ray Disc" logo on the case came off...
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Originally Posted by Joseph Bolus
By the way, in its second season Star Trek was always in the Nielsen Top 10 (and most of the time in the Top 5) for the male 18-36 demographic.
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