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Originally Posted by ChristianLiemke
- Englisch für Hörgeschädigte
I hope these aren't the final specs for the US disc as well.

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- Restauration des Films „Zwei glorreiche Halunken“
Is this something new, or is it just the audio reconstruction featurette again?

Other than the Frayling commentary it seems to be the same package as the previous DVDs. Hopefully it'll look as good as it deserves to, but I'm preparing to be disappointed.
post #32 of 134

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Savant has news on the US release:

Gary Teetzel reports that MGM's May 12 Blu-rays will include the 007 adventures Licence to Kill and The Man with the Golden Gun; Fargo, and Sergio Leone's The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. Happily, the Clint Eastwood disc will have all the extras of the earlier special editions, plus English, French and Spanish tracks, PLUS a mono track (hopefully mostly original) AND a previously unheard Christopher Frayling commentary track.
post #33 of 134

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From the Criterion forum: They seem to have done a new HD master for TGTB&TU -- the version that's been showing on HDNet over the past year or so is supposedly a marked improvement over earlier HDNet broadcasts -- so maybe they've revisited the earlier titles as well.

The first two in the Dollars Trilogy are already out there in Italy, thought this comment from a happy punter (on the Sergio Leone Board) would be of interest:

Great news, received both fod and fafdm on blu ray today (from Italy). Picture quality is outstanding! Unreal to see these in high-def! (both have been meticulously restored for this release), fod has english audio, but fafdm does not. Fafdm is uncut though, all the little trims in the us version are here in restored 1080p, so in my opinion, MGM/sony has no excuse to release the cut version when it comes out in North America.

FOD has pal extras, most of which I can't play, however, it has an original italian trailer (which looks beautifully restored and is in 1080p) that is all all outtake/alternate take footage, similar to the one discussed in the FAFDM thread recently - very cool to see new FOD footage in that trailer!

FOD also has a lot of paper extras in the package, lobby cards, an interview booklet and some reproductions of old publicity materials - unfortunately for me it's all in italian, but at least I can enjoy the photos

FAFDM is pretty bare bones in terms of extras, but it would allow me to play the "restoration featurette" (in italian) and I must say from the spiltscreens of the footage (before and after) they've done an amazing/painstaking job restoring it.
post #34 of 134
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If it's a new master and has all the previous supplements plus a new commentary, I'm definitely going to buy this.
post #35 of 134

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I will still be disappointed if the US theatrical cut isn't included, however if it's from a new master that looks as good as the Italian restored editions of the earlier films (and they do look absolutely fantastic) then I'll pay any price for it, regardless.

Hoping MGM gets English editions of those out too, as well as Duck, You Sucker. And of course I can't wait for Paramount to release the new restoration of Once Upon a Time in the West. Then I can die a happy man.
post #36 of 134

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On the mastering front, this article states that work is being done on Fistful of Dollars for blu ray:

Restoration for Blu-ray | A Fistful of Dollars undergoes additional video restoration work for Blu-ray release

This would lead me to believe that all of the Leone / Eastwood films will have new transfers for blu ray.
post #37 of 134

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Originally Posted by Tim Haxton
On the mastering front, this article states that work is being done on Fistful of Dollars for blu ray:

Restoration for Blu-ray | A Fistful of Dollars undergoes additional video restoration work for Blu-ray release

This would lead me to believe that all of the Leone / Eastwood films will have new transfers for blu ray.

I note that that piece was dated August 2007, the work must be long finished by now; let's hope it's as good looking as the Italian BD.
post #38 of 134

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I hope they just scrap it all and license the Italian restoration, because from that description I have a hard time imagining how it could be anywhere near as good. I've never understood the idea of doing something yourself when someone else has already done it much better.
post #39 of 134

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I watched the region B release tonight of The Good, The Bad And The Ugly, or better, I tried to watch it. DNR on this title is as bad as Patton and The Longest Day. There is absolutely no fine detail left in the picture and the result is a BD that is just slightly better than the DVD. I turned it off after 30 minutes because I found it unwatchable. I can't believe that they screwed up this release. Very very disappointing.
post #40 of 134

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Originally Posted by Kris Z.
I hope they just scrap it all and license the Italian restoration, because from that description I have a hard time imagining how it could be anywhere near as good. I've never understood the idea of doing something yourself when someone else has already done it much better.

Apparently TGTBATU is the only one of the three dollar films where no superior italian version exists. I guess it really makes sense to first release the third movie of a trilogy with a presentation of highly dubious quality
post #41 of 134

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Having seen it first hand, I pretty much agree with Gary Tooze's assessment at dvdbeaver:

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How does it look? Well the 'Extended' DVD was quite strong, but, of course, this high-definition transfer exceeds it in most visual categories. Detail is only marginally better but where I noticed the greatest improvement is the absence of prominent artifacts that exist in the SD-DVDs (ex. the sky in the desert capture below.) The color scheme seems to support both the 'Extended' and the PAL 'SD' but is somewhat warmer without green/yellow infiltration. Black levels are deeper with contrast better defined and there is a marginally more information in the frame. The comparative captures may not indicate the advancement that many fans were hoping, but in motion this looks quite good and we've added some further stills at the bottom to help support the Blu-ray appearance. I should state that any improvement that exists here will be solely dependant on the system that you view it - the larger - the more advanced the superiority over the DVD. In the end it's a 43 year-old film and even with the strong cleaning and restoration - the image is at the mercy of original production. Mostly this looks as expected - no gloss, a dusty, grittier, and sometimes an even duller, look but the frequent absence of grain makes one think momentarily of DNR (Digital Noise Reduction). While I suspect it in some scenes it is absent throughout most and if it was applied - wasn't blanketed. It represents a 'flatter' look than A Fistful of Dollars on Blu-ray - a film made only 2 years earlier.
(emphasis mine)
post #42 of 134

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I should state that any improvement that exists here will be solely dependant on the system that you view it - the larger - the more advanced the superiority over the DVD.

I don't know on what size of screen Gary Tooze watches his BDs but on my 2m wide screen TGTBTU looks like crap and I could hardly see any improvement over the DVD. I can deal with some DNR (I even defended Zulu) but I can't see anything positive in this release. There's absolutely no fine detail. It almost looks like an upconvert of the DVD with additional DNR applied and not true HD. It's BAD.
post #43 of 134

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Originally Posted by Danny_N
I don't know on what size of screen Gary Tooze watches his BDs but on my 2m wide screen TGTBTU looks like crap and I could hardly see any improvement over the DVD. I can deal with some DNR (I even defended Zulu) but I can't see anything positive in this release. There's absolutely no fine detail. It almost looks like an upconvert of the DVD with additional DNR applied and not true HD. It's BAD.

I can very much understand where you come from - Having had the pleasure to watch the Italian Blu-Ray of the first dollar movie it is very saddening to see what they have made out of TGTBTU. I still think that the Blu-Ray is the version to get if one HAS to watch the movie at home but I would recommend to rent now and wait for a better version to purchase the movie later.
post #44 of 134

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I'm a bit confused , have you watched the bd oliver?
post #45 of 134

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Originally Posted by Tino
I'm a bit confused , have you watched the bd oliver?

Yes I have, the German version.
post #46 of 134
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EDIT: Nevermind

Can someone change the topic title to:

"The Good, The Bad And The Ugly Announced For All Regions"?
post #47 of 134

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DVD Beaver review of the French blu ray:

The Good the Bad and the Ugly Blu-ray - Clint Eastwood

I'm going to wait for a box set of the films in the US. I wonder why they are releasing them individually?

There's also a review of Fistful of Dollars blu ray, but I'm not sure what region this is.

A Fistful of Dollars Blu-ray Clint Eastwood

It would be great to have a box set of these films in the US...
post #48 of 134

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I'm going to wait for a box set of the films in the US. I wonder why they are releasing them individually?
Maybe to avoid being criticized by those who will feel robbed of having the choice to buy them separately? Witness some reactions here to The Matrix Trilogy and The Godfather Trilogy.
post #49 of 134

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Here's my screenshot comparison of the German Blu-ray and the German "2-DVD Gold Edition" from two weeks ago.
post #50 of 134
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Christian, does the Blu-Ray look DNR'ed to you? The screenshots of both you and DVDBeaver imply this. Any comments about that?
post #51 of 134

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Also was the First Screen shot on the link the DVD then the second one the Blu? I take it?
post #52 of 134

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Originally Posted by Powell&Pressburger
Also was the First Screen shot on the link the DVD then the second one the Blu? I take it?

Yeah, I couldn't easily tell either, which I suppose is a bad thing, and gave up trying.
post #53 of 134

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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette
Yeah, I couldn't easily tell either, which I suppose is a bad thing, and gave up trying.

You are cracking me up there - and I mean that in a good way

Your post pretty much sums up the stance of a lot of people that have tried with so many words to voice their disappointment with this Blu-Ray and you brilliantly put it in just one short sentence
post #54 of 134

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I can easily see the improved picture quality on the dvdbeaver images. The Good the Bad and the Ugly Blu-ray Clint Eastwood
post #55 of 134

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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette
Yeah, I couldn't easily tell either, which I suppose is a bad thing, and gave up trying.

the second image seems more clear and shows slightly more detail, but it isn't Nite and day... so if the first Image is DVD and the Second the BluRay then the BD looks better but that goes without saying.
post #56 of 134

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As a Techniscope film, there may not be much additional detail to get out of the elements, but if whatever fine detail there is is going to be mostly obscured by filtering/DNR, I'll be passing.
post #57 of 134

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Pass. And would it have killed them to include the theatrical US version? I know the extended scenes were cut without Leone, but it's still valuable. (and it seems like having a soundalike for a dead actor isn't automatically preferable to having the scene cut)
post #58 of 134

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Originally Posted by Alex cosmo
Pass. Would it have killed them to include the theatrical US version? I know the extended scenes were cut without Leone, but it's still valuable. (and it seems like having a soundalike for a dead actor isn't automatically preferable to having the scene cut)

The sound-alike was never the problem. In fact, his scenes are the least jarring and out of place. It's the voices of the 70-something Eastwood and Wallach emanating from their 30-something bodies that suddenly rip me out of the moment every time I try to watch this extended cut. Had the producers tried to digitally "youthen" their voices (as was done with great success on "Lawrence of Arabia") than maybe it could have worked. But really, they should have gone with all sound-alikes or just left the scenes alone.
post #59 of 134

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That too.
post #60 of 134

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A lot of money was spent to restore the original cut. You better believe that'll be the one they sell for a long time to come.
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