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post #931 of 937
5/6/09 at 11:59am

Re: THE FUGITIVE, Season 2, Vol. 1 - Replacement Program Announced

All I can say is that my alt set is better than several of my TV/DVD set studio transfer Q's and the entire backscore is unaltered, as originally aired during the initial broadcasts. There are no missing scenes in the episodes of the ones I've viewed thru most of S2. They are time-compressed but that's ok for me since most of the Image Combat! set is also TC'ed and that doesn't bother me with TV/DVD sets. I'd love to have an alt set that's also not TC'ed but that's life.

No comparison to the current CBS/P releases. I like (properly remastered) studio releases as much as anyone on this Bd but "just" the Rugolo music restored with some of the library ques isn't good enough for me considering what has transpired since the beginning of this story (ie, the Burlingame article). We don't know for certain but it appears that all of this could have been avoided at CBS/P with enough effort.
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post #932 of 937
5/6/09 at 12:12pm

Re: THE FUGITIVE, Season 2, Vol. 1 - Replacement Program Announced

Some of us might find T/C with higher pitched voices to be as much of a nuisance as a random Heyes cue. And even if it were acceptable, not all of us have access to that particular "alternate" set and would have to make do with ratty looking VHS tapes transferred to DVD-R. I would have considered that avenue if we'd stayed at a 100% Heyes scenario but I feel glad I don't have to go that route any longer. That's not to say I wish the final result had been better than it was, but after all that's happened three-quarters of a loaf is better than none IMO.
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post #933 of 937
5/6/09 at 2:49pm

Re: THE FUGITIVE, Season 2, Vol. 1 - Replacement Program Announced

Jack,

I hear what you're saying and I respect your take on it. I guess, for me, if most other shows had been "Heyes"'d, I'd probably look at it differently. Since it's the Fugitive that was affected, it's a big issue to me to have anything changed in the backscore.

I can't argue with the "half-full" vs "half-empty" approach that a lot here have taken with the CBS/P restored sets. I do see the positive angle of CBS/P listening to the consumers (or perhaps it had more to do with the Variety article/industry press) and it's definitely a positive step that was taken to restore the Rugolo portion and some of the library cues.

As for T/C (& PAL), that's an individual choice that's been discussed on the Bd several times. I'm just glad that my ears don't mind any speed-up in TV/DVD episodes.
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post #934 of 937
5/6/09 at 3:37pm

Re: THE FUGITIVE, Season 2, Vol. 1 - Replacement Program Announced

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Originally Posted by michael_ks
True, however there are many episodes, like for example "Tug of War" which is so heavily tracked with Goldsmith's score for "Dust" as to make you feel it was about the only score used. Still no Goldsmith credit, which the composer, even in those days joked over.
It seems really strange to me that a high class/big budget show like the Fugitive would suddenly go with another TV shows music for almost an entire season. A score that had already been used on Stoney Burke, The Outer Limits and The Invaders. I know they used some stock music throughout the first 3 seasons, but season 4 barely has any Rugulo music in it at all. There really is no comment in The Fugitive book about this and I wonder if the switch to color made them try to save money by cutting back on the music. The whole thing is very odd, but never commented on. I wonder if this will make the 4th season easier to bring to DVD, because you pretty much just have to clear the Outer Limits music.
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post #935 of 937
5/6/09 at 3:56pm

Re: THE FUGITIVE, Season 2, Vol. 1 - Replacement Program Announced

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Originally Posted by chas speed
It seems really strange to me that a high class/big budget show like the Fugitive would suddenly go with anoher TV shows music for almost an entire season.
Just a guess but maybe not spending money (or as much money) on a score each episode was something that they had to do because of the higher budget.
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post #936 of 937
5/6/09 at 4:11pm

Re: THE FUGITIVE, Season 2, Vol. 1 - Replacement Program Announced

Actually, the change in library music came at the time Alan Armer left as producer to take over "The Invaders" and the new producer decided the show needed to be spruced up with new library music, hence the reason why "Outer Limits" was now being drawn from.
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post #937 of 937
5/6/09 at 4:54pm

Re: THE FUGITIVE, Season 2, Vol. 1 - Replacement Program Announced

Library music was a fairly common thing back in the '60s. And it was allowed - unlike now. Today's rules prohibit the re-use of music without paying the original creators again, so most shows opt for totally new music in each episode.

But it's those old familiar cues that sometimes MADE those old shows what they are. You just knew that when Kirk encountered some lovely female, you'd witness two things. She'd be filmed in soft-focus, and the lovely flute score would be playing in the background.

Back in the final year of THE FUGITIVE, a lot of OUTER LIMITS music was used - and it fit as well in THE FUGITIVE as the TWILIGHT ZONE cues did. Remember that we're talking about the 1966-1967 TV season, and the old OUTER LIMITS Dominic Frontiere cues hadn't been heard since the 1963-1964 season. Three full years had passed, and shows like OUTER LIMITS didn't rerun all that often.

So the music was both fresh, yet familiar, and was quite effective as backing for THE FUGITIVE. Meanwhile, the Rugolo cues don't totally disappear in Season Four. They still open many of the Acts as before, and get their share of use. It's what always grounded the series, and why it seemed SO wrong when they were replaced on that S2V1 DVD set.

Harry
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