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I think you and I have a better chance of being elected President than another company releasing the show on DVD. If you want to see the Fugitive with no music replacement, you have exactly one option, and its the one we're not allowed to talk about.

And I don't think Jim, that your suspicions are correct that this represents a dumping on the market of something CBS/Paramount prepared ahead of time but rejected. That is in fact ascribing more intelligence to them than they are capable of possessing, based on their inability to understand what they owned free and clear as this whole controversy revealed. The evidence is rather clear that these people weren't capable of figuring out from the cue sheets which cues were Rugolo's to begin with.

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What is so intelligent about "dumping on the market ... something CBS/Paramount prepared ahead of time but rejected?" It's an insult to intelligence. You are right that they weren't able to determine which cues are which, but even after Burlingame explained how they could do it at the height of the backlash, they obviously did not follow his advice. Instead, they apparently dusted off EXPERIMENT A -- which I believe now involved keeping all of Rugolo and abandoning everything else because CBS felt it would be too difficult to tell the difference between CBS cues and Capitol cues -- pressed some new DVDs, waited a few months to make it look good, and called up tvshowsondvd with the "good news." They never sought out any experts to identify which cues were owned by CBS and which ones were owned by Capitol after Burlingame made it clear such people exist. They don't care about their art. They care about our money, and they know there is a lot of it in "The Fugitive."

They also never figured the fans would ever come close to the truth about the replacement sets. All those other theories we talked about before, in my opinion, suddenly don't make nearly as much sense as this one. This one explains it all and makes sense.

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Let me be clear one more time. I never said everything else was abandoned. I said it's possible there's some CBS stuff in episodes or parts of episodes I didn't check.

Can we at least keep our heads and wait until the replacement sets actually come out before some condemn CBS/P in totality?

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Amen, brother.

The conspiracy theorists are running wild in this thread now! How we've gone from a make-nice gesture from CBS/Paramount to a giant "screw-the-customers-and-get-their-money" scheme is a bit over the top, IMHO.

It's amazing how some people can buy into their own conjectures so thoroughly!

But I'm sure that the cooler, more reasoned among us will rescue this thread when the actual discs start playing in our DVD players instead of in our fertile imaginations.

I long for the days when we discussed actual episodes, acting, guest stars, etc., instead of constantly bashing CBS/P and each other.

Harry
...wondering if there's another candidate for the ignore function, online...

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It wouldn't be the internet then.

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Yes, Travis, but hope springs eternal.

Peace and out again, for now.

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Why any of you choose to be apologists for CBS is beyond me, you got ripped off by them once and are coming back for more. I am obviously not cool and reasoned like the drones here. CBS/Heyes Fugitive discs will never be playing in my DVD player, They were shi*y when it was all Heyes and they are still shi*y with 25% Heyes.

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I'm going to buy two to make up for the one that you won't buy.

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While some of us "drones" sit around waiting for our 25% "shi*y" discs, I decided today, while home in a snowstorm, to work on a little Fugitive project of my own.

Seasons Two and Three both feature an opening montage of still photos telling the backstory of THE FUGITIVE. There's a series of 22 of these images that flash on the screen as William Conrad's narration tells the story. So I captured each of those 22 images, along with the title screen, with and without the "QM Production", and had it rotating as a screen saver.

While that looked pretty decent, since the DVD screen captures are nice and pristine looking for the most part, it wasn't very colorful as a rotating screensaver. So I dug out a color episode where the same images are used, in the same order, but are tinted a series of colors that make the opening montage look more interesting for color broadcasts. Each shot had a main color, like blue, red, green, purple, yellow, etc.

This is where my "project" for the day came in. By jotting down the color of each of these frames, I then went to my pristine b&w images and, using some software, added and removed primary colors to accomplish what QM Productions did way back in 1966.

I used a LaserDisc of the final episode as the source for color information, and while it was decent, probably still isn't 100% what was intended. There were varying shades of red that might have been intended to be orange, for example. Certain blues could have been more of a cyan, etc. But I used my best "judgment" to gather the color information as best I could.

So I stuck these in a folder on my hard drive, and set the "My Pictures Slideshow" screensaver up to rotate them. Unfortunately, that screen saver is set to rotate randomly, and these photos scream to be in order.

Then I remembered another Microsoft screensaver I downloaded a while ago for XP. It's called "Images Of Ireland", and it rotates pictures in order, while also zooming in and zooming out slightly, and crossfading the pictures.

Once I set this up to rotate my colored FUGITIVE shots, the effect was complete.

Here are a some samples of the final three:







Harry
..."CBS apologist" extraordinaire, online...

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Beautiful!

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Harry, very nicely done! A+++

Gary "that really is great work, friend" O.

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Very nice, Harry. Right up there with your VTTBOTS S3 end credits wallpaper.

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Excellent work. I applaud your creativity.

Doug

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If you do that, you'll miss my next conspiracy offering that attempts to prove how this thing goes all the way back to the JFK assassination and involves gray aliens hiding out in Castro's beard for 40 years before finding a new home in the offices of top CBS executives. Elvis is involved somehow, too, but I just haven't figured out where to fit him in yet.

Seriously, those color pictures are nice.

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Thanks guys,

I love the green color they used for "evil" personified:



Harry

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OR CANADA. The US isn't the whole world, you know.

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That's not a defect. From the standpoint of a retailer, another set could be just fine. Why would they give you a refund? After all, you could copy the set to your hard drive and then return it to the store, claiming it is defective, and basically get a free set of DVDs. Your story doesn't wash, and if it doesn't wash, it never happened.

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When has CBS ever claimed that? They haven't. They say they put classic TV on a pedestal. You don't know the motives of CBS, so zip your lips. They're doing a great job here and still, you complain.

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Seeing that picture of the one-armed man made me realize there were at least two TV shows from the 1960s where the biggest villains suffered from actual deformities — the one-armed man, of course, and Michael Dunn's Dr. Loveless.

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I think it's possible that Twilight Zone's "Dust" score, which found its partial way into The Fugitive's "Tug Of War" might still be there. I didn't watch the whole episode but got a good vibe from what I saw, as I mentioned in my review. I'm probably just getting my hopes up though.

But I said in my first review that I was leaving a bunch of stuff for other board members to discover and gosh darn I meant it!

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Amen to that...how easy it is to be taken for granted..Canadian Barry Morse would probably cast a Lt. Gerardian disparaging glance at those who would slight us..

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Ladies and gentlemen, behold our future where we'll be reduced to pathetic nostalgiacs graspinig, clinging onto something we want to think still exists but in reality no longer does. But make no mistake -- those folks over at CBS are just swell for doing all these nice things for us. Whatever you do, never forget that. To hell with all those ungrateful criminals who dare utter unpleasant words about our good friends at CBS who made this all possible.

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jquirk said: Ladies and gentlemen, witness our future where we'll be reduced to pathetic nostalgiacs graspinig, clinging onto something we want to think still exists but in reality no longer does.

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How do you know that, when you haven't seen a single disc? I think a consistent pattern of posts around here establishes beyond a shadow of a doubt who is truly "pathetic" and "graspinig." (sic)

Witness the sum of jquirk, the kind of Internet poster I hope I never become (and have just put on ignore).

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Carab, my posting was not a personal attack against you whatsoever. You're the only guy, however, with access to the check discs. I can only go by what you're reporting. Your posting about the possibility of some TZ music surviving in one of the episodes but probably not just struck me as funny because of some of the earlier postings where you and some others were tired of hearing the rants against CBS. The way you apparently felt about this possible discovery I know is how I would feel if I was in your place.

When I referred to "pathetic nostalgiacs," I'm talking about me and every fan of this show. If what you're reporting is true, that's what I believe is our fate. It doesn't make me right. It's only a cynical opinion. Some of us are willing to be grateful CBS has offered this program, but at the same time are still clearly disappointed. The purpose of my posting was merely to point out this view can be just as ridiculous as the angry view I sometimes possess. No disrespect to you was intended, and I apologize that my posting made you feel this way. I'm on your side with this whole thing, man. No need to grab the torches and pitchforks.

I was about to say, "Look how CBS has now pitted fan-against-fan," but that would only come off as a cheap attempt to strengthen my argument.

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Nice work, Harry. I can hear the theme music looking at those pictures. You know, the real theme music.

I'm looking forward to the new discs and the new volume.

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Well that is encouraging as far as the CBS music library cues are concerned. "Dust" is the second shortest of Jerry Goldsmith's seven "Twilight Zone" scores, clocking in at only 11:31 and has a distinctive, near mono-thematic dirge-like soundscape featuring harmonica and a weighty instrument I can't quite identify--maybe an organ in its lowest register. Perhaps someone like Harry can help here as I don't yet have the S2 vol. 1 set.

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With apologies to the site owner, and after requests for these, I'll post the rest of my Fugitive opening colorized screen captures here. Some of these look better than others. The darker ones tended to get a little "blocky" looking. (The first one is a screen capture from the LaserDisc of the final episode - the rest are all recreated from the black & white images on the DVDs.)

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Harry I am really enjoying those. It's like I want to print them and make Fugitive collector's cards!

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Thanks Harry. That really brought back some fine memories. I wish I could make something that cool.

Doug

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Thanks, Harry-O. Great caps! Finally, something we can all agree on in this thread