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What do you expect? You dropped it.

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Here's a place that has that size (14mm) cases for four discs:
14mm 4 Disc Frosty Clear DVD Cases with 1 Tray, 100% New Material
I'm not sure if it's the same brand CBS/Paramount uses, but it should be close.
ETA: I just noticed that their minimum order is 50, so that might not work.

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Hopefully, this news will ensure that all remaining seasons see the light of day on DVD.

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I would understand the attitude of naysayers more if Paramount was asking customers to shell out again for the replacements. But they're not. They're doling them out free if you've got a postage stamp. How can someone not give them the benefit of the doubt at this point, at least until checking for themselves to see if they can live with the changes?

There was no one madder than me when this all happened back in June. I doubt there was anyone who wrote more letters (7) or bought and returned more sets (6) to make a point. The best advice I ever got was from my first literary agent who told me when I was quibbling over WGA minimum to "pick your battles carefully. You'll win more that way." I believed in the battle to get a replacement set out (even though I didn't know at the time that a hybrid would be the result) and now I believe in the battle to try and get these CBS cues restored. But the battle to dump on CBS/Paramount ended for me when they showed some goodwill through their actions. The battle to be angry at them or belittle their efforts is not one I want to fight because winning it is irrelevant to what I truly want--and what through action the studio has shown we might someday get: future sets that can stand side-by-side with the season one releases which contain virtually all the original underscore.

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Carab, I'm afraid that I have to agree with Jim and John here. CBS/Paramount was quite deceitful with the replacement score and closing title cards. Given that some of the critical response was immature and discourteous, CBS/Paramount's stonewalling on the subject was unacceptable. Of course, Gord deserves major kudos for his behind the scenes lobbying, as does CBS/Paramount for listening to his input. Also, I realize that it's no small expense for them to initiate such a program. That said, I can't agree that their gesture IS all that huge, since they didn't restore all that they could. As has already been stated, if CBS/Paramount had someone go over the musical cues for this reissue program, he, or she (or they), would certainly have known which ones could have been kept (Rugolo+ CBS Library) vs. what "had to go" (Capitol). Why wasn't this the approach taken? It's likely that purchasers of season 2, vol.2 will hear the same mix of garish and sublime. When I saw the initial post on this subject, I did the Snoopy happy dance. I REALLY, REALLY wanted to order the sets, hoping that I could stomach the missing Capitol cues. I felt the same joy that several serious fans of the show expressed on this board. It didn't last long. I can't see that CBS/Paramount is deserving of any hosannas for releasing less than they could, and for a premium price. This doesn't smack of good faith so much as an effort to maximize revenue for a popular catalog title. Sales for the first season were good enough for them to accelerate the pace of releases, in spite of the show being: 1. in B&W; 2. 60 minutes; 3. 40+ years old; 4. intelligently written and produced; 5.sold in split seasons. I have no problems paying for split seasons (the video restoration is excellent), or background music changes, but CBS/Paramount can't restore my trust with a half-hearted effort.

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I'm going to give the replacement discs a whirl when they come in the mail. I said I would and I am. But I can't find anything in Todd's post that I really disagree with. A huge problem in this mess is the tight-lipped attitude of the studio. From the very beginning they haven't gone out of their way to communicate with the consumers. Everything seems so hush-hush and that does NOT engender good will. If they would have come out and told us that they couldn't retain the CBS Library cues (aka TZ cues primarily) for such and such a reason at least I could have had the facts and made an informed decision about my feelings - and perhaps given them some benefit of the doubt. But without any info it's hard to give them that benefit when they've already tried to pull the wool over consumers' eyes with the initial Season 2, V.1 release. A little more forthcoming info on their part would go a long way to making many of us feel better about this latest development, IMHO.

Gary "the tight-lipped nature of the entire industry has been a sore point with me since day one" O.

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This is as good as it's going to get. Count me in as one who didn't care about the changed music. CBS has put the replacement disc program in place, and it's still NOT ENOUGH for some people. Unbelievable.

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My first impulse is to believe this is as good as it's going to get as well. Of course, it may be. But frankly, ten days ago, I saw no hope for the changes that have been made, so I'm not going to continue to be closed-minded about it, because obviously I was wrong about what I thought the studio was going to do (or not do).

My big gripe is, assuming they didn't use the CBS cues because they didn't want to kick out royalty payments, they could've taken the money they spent on the new replacement music library by Heyes and combined that with the money spent on this replacement DVD program, and geez--they coud've greased some wheels for those music royalties, if in fact that's the case. No one knows why they didn't include the CBS cues. We all have our theories. Some want to believe it's greed, others ignorance, others downright laziness. We don't know. We do know, however, they've tried to correct the situation to a great degree. That counts for something, at least in my book.

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I wonder what CBS thinks?... and I just wish somebody would tell us. It's hard to believe
that it's enough for fans at CBS either!

It's hard to imagine this is the set CBS would have wanted to release. But at some point,
it becomes a cost vs benefit evaluation, and obviously CBS felt they came up short,
and the replacement discs are part of that correction.

But CBS hasn't done enough - it's not a great solution. It's really disappointing that the show isn't unmolested.
But it is what it is. So as long as people have the info, they can decide for themselves to buy it or not.

But none of the studios are forthcoming enough with their wording about content changes
on their releases. How many sets say "complete" on them. Complete? Doesn't that mean
everything? Apparently not, and that's the most frustrating thing for consumers. It's hard
to decide if you want something when you may or may not understand what you're getting.
There is no better example of that than this one!

-g

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Keep in mind, CBS/P may not have even mailed any discs out yet. To their thinking, it's possible they don't even believe people have had a response to the program yet.

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I've followed this controversy from outside for some time and I just want to offer this speculation. Perhaps there were cost or legal issues unrelated to the legal status of the CBS Library that kept those cues from being restored short-term? I've noticed that they couldn't fix the end credits with Heyes name. Maybe there's some contractual issue with Heyes that requires them to keep using a certain amount of music if his name is still going to be up there? Or maybe the added cost of restoring the CBS cues on top of the Rugolo ones would have made the whole replacement program too cost-prohibitive?

One thing that can't be disputed is that CBS/Paramount *can* use this music free and clear and unless there's an issue *unrelated* to legal status that kept them from putting the cues back, then the only remaining solution is tied to lack of research on determining properly which cues were CBS and which weren't. I wouldn't be a bit surprised for instance if their reference guide for figuring out which cues were Rugolo's was the out of print CD of "Fugitive" music from 2000, which features every note of Rugolo's from the original recording sessions. Of course if they had a Twilight Zone CD at their disposal they would also be able to figure out which ones came from there.

Incidentally, one earlier post mentioned a "Fugitive" episode's use of music from the TZ episode "Dead Man's Shoes". That music was in fact earlier CBS Libary music that can be heard on S2 episodes of "Perry Mason" which was one year before TZ debuted.

I am disappointed that these cues are not in, because like many "Back There" is a very familiar piece of music easily identified with "Fugitive" but that said, I prefer to look at the glass as half-full. When I became aware of this flap, for me the thing that made the episodes unwatchable was the lack of the "Fugitive" theme in the underscore, especially for Act I openings and the Epilogue endings under William Conrad's narration. WIth that part restored, I can at worst be only annoyed over the absence of the rest that is familiar because at least the signature music that was *intended* originally for this show is back in, and while that's only half a loaf it is the most important half of the loaf from my standpoint. And I think those who are complaining now should at least admit that if a month ago, before any announcement they were asked if they would be happy if the episodes could be redone at least to give us this much back, I think it's safe to say most of us would have said yes.

Just my take on this.

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I agree with you. And you'll be pleased to know that with the exception of one opening bridge (act 2 of BALLAD FOR A GHOST, if memory serves) all the music bridges I heard were originals (although I didn't hear everyone--there may be another stray here or there).

For me it's not "Back There" that's the heartbreaker. It's "The Invaders." I'll also miss the Outer Limits--Alan and Yvette's love theme.

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They think we're a bunch of mindless lemming sheep, that's what they think. They thought after they released that paragraph-long press release filled with peaches and cream we would all join hands and march lock-step toward their eye logo, fall to our hands and knees and praise them like gods.

I almost fell for it, but I must thank Gord and Carab for setting me straight and snapping me out of my trance. If it wasn't for them, my family would have likely been trying to hire a few commandos by now to break me out of some Branch Davidian-esque CBS complex where everyone smiles and trades flowers.

CBS continues to pull the wool over our eyes. I've heard the Heyes music, and it's bad. To substitute this for CBS library cues in "The Fugitive" collection is not acceptable. Look what this company has done to all the fans of this classic television series. Look at this thread. From my viewpoint, many of the people here are trying to convince themselves they can live with these changes. I'm one of these people. I can't believe I'm saying this, but if S2V2 returns to Season One form, I'm willing to let bygones be bygones with the replacement sets for S2V1. But I shouldn't have to be talking about this. It's absolutely insane. None of us should have to be talking about this. Look at what CBS has done to the fans of "The Fugitive." Think about it.

And we all wonder what they're thinking. They're laughing at us all the way to the bank. They know what's happening. They're reading this thread. They figured there would still be some people who would be unhappy about this. It was all included in their marketing analysis and contingency reports. They also knew there would be many people who would simply accept the changes and go through life believing CBS did all it could. Of course, this would not be true, and these people would eternally be fooling themselves.

Meanwhile, CBS remains quiet. There are no answers to the questions, just bi-annual paragraph-long press releases that talk about pedestals. This way, CBS figures, they can retain that mystique that they're a bunch of nice, friendly people as wholesome as the main characters in "The Donna Reed Show."

But I know who they really are. They're that family in the TZ episode "The Masks."

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On the matter of "Outer Limits" cues for later seasons of "The Fugitive" I don't think it's clear yet that those would present a problem since if I remember right that music is used at certain points in "The Invaders" and no one has reported any music alteration in CBS/Paramount's release of that series.

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Put me on the side of those willing to give CBS/P a break on this. Don't forget: there was no law that said CBS/P had to go back, find the Rugolo cues, reinstate them, remix and remaster the soundtrack, burn the DVDs and then make them available at no cost save the stamp and envelope.

I would also note that CBS/P's issues of other classic series have been impeccable -- at least the ones I have (Mission: Impossible, Hawaii Five-O, The Invaders, even Cannon and Jake & the Fatman).

As for the CBS catalog cues not being included yet, I wouldn't be stunned if that's being researched even as we speak for future seasons. (Maybe that's why Seasons 3 and 4 haven't been remastered yet.) I also wouldn't be stunned if the future holds only Rugolo and Heyes.

What it comes down to is this: CBS/P spent a considerable sum attempting to please their customers. This customer is pleased.

I'm not prepared to make perfect the enemy of good. To put it another way, "When the donkey flies, don't upset that it doesn't do a loop-de-loop!"

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Are you comparing CBS/Paramount to a donkey?

I think Murray Slaughter said something similar to Ted Baxter on an episode of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show." Maybe it does fit here.

Gary "thanks for a good laugh, Rick" O.

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And it's the easiest one to pick out as not belonging to the Capitol Music library. The highly antique sounding harpischord instantly informs of this. How many Capitol cues feature a harpsichord, I wonder?

If Paramount is truly concerned about pay out of royalties to say, the Jerry Goldsmith estate, why didn't they then excise his score to "Incident in the Middle of Nowhere" in the S3 vol. 2 "Rawhide" set? And Fred Steiner's score for that matter--I think he's even still alive.

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I again don't think royalties to the CBS Library composers has anything to do with it. The benign explanation is that it would have added too much to the replacement cost program to spend extra time putting the CBS cues back in AND keeping Heyes happy if he's going to still have a screen credit. Maybe the real reason lies in the contract they signed with him and figured that "okay, his name is up there, we have to keep x amount of music by him in the show, and if we just restore Rugolo we satisfy that part of the contract by leaving his other stuff in". Or the other benign explanation is that they still haven't done their homework to isolate all CBS cues and so long as they can't do it with all of them, they all stay out.

That's my gut feeling at this point. It's easier for me to believe CBS/Paramount is hamstrung on a legal issue of another kind, or still lazy than to think them sinister or evil.

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Seems reasonable. There's probably no possibiltiy of back pedaling and coming back to square one on this since still more potential legal wrangling has been brought to the fore. Perhaps there's still hope wiith the remaining two seasons.

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I don't either. I guess it's possible, but since they insist on being tight-lipped all the time (as do all the studios for the most part) there's no way to know 100%. But that's the least likely scenario, IMHO. I think either of your other two explanations make more sense. I've personally believed the problem was the studio not doing the work to sort out the CBS from the Capitol, but that's definitely not the only plausible explanation.

And Michael, what you said about the RAWHIDE score is exactly why I don't believe this has to do with royalties. That stock CBS music seems to pop up on other releases, so I'm not buying that "royalties" explanation until concrete proof is offered.

Gary "still glad I have a back-up in place for my favorite show of all time" O.

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Speaking of "Rawhide" peruse the cue sheet shown below for an episode that appeared in the Paramount released S2 vol. 1 set. In my eyes this is probably no more complicated than "The Fugitive" for discernment of actual library source. Yes, the authorship is there throughout, and this may not be the case with "Fugitive" cue sheets as Jon Burlingame somewhat alludes to, but notice too how infrequently a cue is listed as definitively belonging to the CBS library, drawing the majority of the cues into question. And yet, Paramount had absolutely no problem with this or the other 83 episodes released across three seasons!


CUE SHEET--“Incident of the Devil and His Due” (January 22, 1960)

1.“Rawhide Main Title” Dimitri Tiomkin/Ned Washington 1:00
2.“Rawhide End Title” (CBS 9-58-C-1) Russ Garcia :30
3.“Rawhide Main Title” Russ Garcia :25
4.“Punctuation # 2” Dimitri Tiomkin :06 [2:31 to 2:36]
5.“Collectors Item Main Title” Bernard Herrmann :06 [2:37] Trio of bad men.
6.“Mask Funeral March” Lucien Moraweck :05 [2:38 to 3:40]
7.“Indian Signals” Bernard Herrmann :55 [5:13 to 6:07]
8.“Pursuit Opening” Jerry Goldsmith/Bernard Herrmann :08
9.“Quiet Determination # 2” Lucien Moraweck :20 [6:13 to 6:30]
10.“Ran Afoul” Jerry Goldsmith :32 [start 6:31]
11.“Ran Afoul” Jerry Goldsmith :14
12.“Knife Chord” (CBS 8-44-C) Jerry Goldsmith :09 [7:15 to 7:22]
13.“Collectors Item Main Title” (CBS 9-44) Bernard Herrmann :06 [start 7:23]
14.“The Claw” (CBS 9-44) Bernard Herrmann :20 [7:27 to 7:47]
15.“Finale” (CBS 10-11-1) Bernard Herrmann :27 [8:07 to 8:34] House on K Street
16.“Unison Punctuations” Dimitri Tiomkin arr. Rene Garriguenc :08 [8:36 to 8:43]
17.“Impending Doom” (CBS 10-22) Lucien Moraweck :35 [9:02 to 9:32]
18.“Frech Horn Stings” (CBS 7-4) Anonymous :06
19.“Rawhide Punctuations” Dimitri Tiomkin, arr. Rene Garriguenc :12
20.“Humor Part” William Grant Still :13 [12:41 to 12:53]
21.“Comic Suspense Background” Van Phillips :14 [13:38 to 14:28]
22.“Headin’ West” Wiilliam Grant Still :53
23.“Theme 4” (CBS12) J. Moross :17 [14:29 to 14:44]
24.“Collectors Item Main Title” Bernard Herrmann :06
25.“The Cat” (CBS 9-56-1) Bernard Herrmann 1:00 [14:50 to 15:50]
26.“Curtain” (CBS 7-47-1) Rene Garriguenc :08 [17:19 to 17:28]
27.“Unison Punctuations” Dimitri Tiomkin aar. Rene Garriguenc :06
28.“Western Desolation” (CBS 9-51-A) Rene Garriguenc :05 [21:22 to 21:31]
29.“Headin’ West” William Grant Still :05
30.“Dramatic” Dimitri Tiomkin aar. Bowen :17
31.“Emotional Unison Bridge” Rene Garriguenc :12 [23:12 to 23:21]
32.“Rawhide End Title” Russ Garcia :08 [23:22]
33.“Rawhide Main t\Title” Russ Garcia :09
34.“Headin’ West” William Grant Still” :09 [24:42 to 26:30]
35.“Headin’ West” William Grant Still 1:01
36.“Headin’ West” (CBS 8-51-D) Still :10
37.“Headin’ West” William Grant Still :30
38.“Finale” Bernard Herrmann :27 [26:31 to 26:56] from House on K Street
39.“Punctuation # 2” Dimitri Tiomkin :06
40.“Rawhide Prelude” Russ Garcia :44
41.“Headin’ West” William Grant Still :06 [27:49 to 28:18]
42.“Headin’ West” William Grant Still :30
43.“Confession # 2” (CBS 9-56-E) Rene Garriguenc :31 [29:14 to 29:45]
44.“Impending Doom” Lucien Moraweck :23 [29:46]
45.“Impending Doom” Lucien Moraweck :13
46.“Headin’ West” William Grant Still :14 [31:00 to 31:14]
47.“Collectors Item Main Title” Bernard Herrmann :06 [31:15]
48.“Punctuation # 2” Dimitri Tiomkin :07 [32:54]
49.“The Arrest” (CBS 8-46-C) Bernard Herrmann :38 [33:00 to 33:34]
50.“Shock Therapy # 2” Rene Garriguenc :06 [33:35]
51.“Star Chords” (CBS 10-6) Jerry Goldsmith :05
52.“Night In The Desert” Dimitri Tiomkin :15 [33:50]
53.“Rawhide Theme” (CBS 9-58-D-8) Dimitri Tiomkin :55
54.“Indian Signals” Bernard Herrmann 1:00 [35:48]
55.“Lead Ins” (CBS 8-56-A) Bernard Herrmann :14 [36:48 to 37:02] “Lead-In F”
56.“Knife Chord” Jerry Goldsmith :09 [37:02]
57.“The Arrest” Bernard Herrmann :09 [37:06]
58.“Indian Signals” Bernard Herrmann :06 [37:21]
59.“Quiet day” Dimitri Tiomkin arr. Rene Garriguenc :24 38:47]
60.“Lonely Moment” (CBS 10-23) Jerry Goldsmith :39[39:40 to 40:21]She won’t testify
61.“Nervous Tension” (CBS 7-56-A) Lucien Moraweck 1:01
62.“Star Chords” Jerry Goldsmith :04
63.“Strange Visit” Jerry Goldsmith :40 [41:49]
64.“String Effects” (CBS 7-23-C) Anonymous :04
65.“The Search # 3” Lucien Moraweck :05
66.“Knife Chord” Jerry Goldsmith :08 [42:40]
67.“Footsteps in the Night” Lucien Moraweck :08
68.“Lead Ins” Bernard Herrmann :18 [42:50 to 43:09]
69.“Horns in C” (CBS 8-28-C) Anonymous :08 [44:13]
70.“Furtive Visitor # 2” Lucien Moraweck :15 [44:21] Spooky cue!
71.“Ostinato Suspense” (CBS 8-56-D-3) Rene Garriguenc :16 [44:50]
72.“Ostinato Suspense” Rene Garriguenc :41
73.“Ostinato Suspense” Rene Garriguenc :19
74.“Furtive Visitor” Lucien Moraweck :44 [45:49]
75.“Night Vigil # 1” Lucien Moraweck 1:11
76.“Violin Tremolos” (CBS 7-29-A) Anonymous :56
77.“Fear # 2” (CBS 7-23-A) Lucien Moraweck :20
78.“String Flareout” Anonymous :20 [47:36]
79.“Shock Therapy #1” (CBS 9-46-A) Rene Garriguenc :07
80.“Buildup Chords” Lucien Moraweck :15 [48:06] Rowdy’s gun on bad man]
81.“Discouragement # 2” (CBS 9-44) Lucien Moraweck :16
82.“Headin’ West” William Grant Still :24
83.“Sneak and Finale” J. Moross/Rene Garriguenc :26
84.“Rawhide End Title” Dimitri Tiomkin/Ned Washington 1:00
85.“Punctuation # 1” Dimitri Tiomkin :06

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But if CBS Library music was the only music listed as being used for that Rawhide episode and others, then CBS/Paramount would have had no reason to do any checking of the individual cues. The cues that are not listed as "CBS" would be cues composed for previous episodes of the series, which would mean no legal problems either.

If "The Fugitive" had just never used Capitol at all for any cues then an imprecise cue sheet that couldn't distinguish CBS from Rugolo would have not led to any changes whatsoever because it would have been a clear case of separating cues from libraries that were both free and clear in their ownership, as is true of all of the items on the "Rawhide" sheet.

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With all the shows CBS/Paramount is putting on ice this year -- Streets of San Francisco; The Untouchables; Rawhide; Cannon -- who knows if they are even going to bother releasing Season 3 of The Fugitive. Given them dropping those other series, it's no sure thing anymore.

Also, perhaps that's what's allowing them to do this entire replacement program and burn a whole new set of DVDs, using resources that might have been put into the further release of one of those stalled series. With less releases, they can afford to take time and correct mistakes with The Fugitive, Season 2, Volume 1, to maximize it's earning potential. I just wish they had corrected those mistakes fully.

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It'll undoubtedly come down to how well sales of season 2, volume 2 perform. While we don't have access to sales figures, a possible indicator is the CBS Syndication Bible. Currently, only the first two seasons of "The Fugitive" have been transferred to HD. I'd hazard a guess and say that if there is some movement to transfer season 3 to HD a few months after the release of volume 2 in late March, we'll probably see more of "The Fugitive." It wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility to see season 3, volume 1 issued before the end of 2009 but, again, sales of season 2, volume 2 will be the determining factor for either continuing or abandoning the series on DVD.

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There are lots of theories flying around about why CBS library cues were kept off the replacement sets, and my hope is the reason has to do with fulfilling some contractual obligation with Heyes. If this is the case, it is possible Heyes will be kept off S2V2 as well as any subsequent sets.

However, I wouldn't be quick to throw the royalty theory out the window just yet. Consider this: Jon Burlingame reported it may have cost CBS about $100,000 for Heyes' services. If CBS would have restored the CBS library cues to the replacement sets, that would mean it would have to pay royalties to Goldsmith, Van Cleave, Steiner, Herrmann, etc. on all the copies it has already sold of S2V1, and all of the copies it sells from this point on. Say, for instance, 7,000 copies have already been sold and news breaking of the replacement disc program sells an additional 4,000 copies. By keeping the CBS library cues out, CBS likely will avoid paying out a five-figure sum, or possibly six-figure sum, in royalties.

CBS is already eating the cost of the replacement disc program, but it probably didn't want to eat an additional profit loss because of royalties. So, a decision is made that forces the fans to eat part of the mess in the form of a quality subtraction.

So, the theories as to why CBS library music is absent in the replacement discs are as follows:

A. CBS wanted to avoid paying out additional royalties.
B. There's a contractual issue involving Heyes that forced CBS to retain some of his music.
C. Laziness.
D. There are contractual issues that prevented CBS from using music from its own library. (I highly doubt this, however.)
E. The person hired to fix the music on the replacement sets did not grasp the full instructions.
F. CBS retained Heyes music in an effort to save face, to prove that they weren't completely out in left field with the original decision.
G. CBS doesn't like fans of "The Fugitive."

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The CBS music library was the stock music that you'd hear on all CBS shows in the 50s/early 60s, both on television and radio. I would think royalties died out years ago, if the composures didn't just sell them the rights to the music outright. If they didn't, I would have a hard time imagining all those shows using the same music.

I think it's more C, E, F even.

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The royalty issue — and to a larger extent, the contract issue — would not have died out. That is one of the big problems with trying to release old TV shows on DVD. When they originally made these shows, the contracts covered the use of any music for reruns and syndication broadcasts. The problem, however, is nobody back then was able to foresee that there would someday be a market for these programs in home video markets. With that in mind, there was nothing in those old contracts that covered VHS releases or DVD releases.

Take "WKRP in Cincinnati," for instance. When those shows were produced, they used many hit songs from the period. The contracts, however, only allowed the rights to continue for use of those songs on reruns. Nothing was there that stipulated the right to use the music for home video releases. So, when WKRP was released on DVD, all of the hit songs were removed because the company releasing it did not have the rights for that music. To get the rights, they would have had to track down the owners of every song and negotiate with them to continue using their music in the DVD release. They figured this would be too cost prohibitive so replaced all of the songs. I'm not a great fan of WKRP, but I do feel for its fans. However, I understand the difficulty of trying to regain the rights to use all of those songs again.

That brings us back to the issue at hand, which is much different. CBS does own the rights to most of the music used for "The Fugitive" but for some reason kept its own stuff out of the replacement discs.

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Out those choices, only A seems even remotely possible. B seems highly unlikely. C, E, F and especially G are just ridiculous.

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Wow! You sure seem quite sure of yourself. That's quite a statement considering the Burlingame article of last year. It wasn't about additional royalties then, so I'm not assuming anything now. You may be right. I'm not dismissing any options at this point (other than G - that is the only one that's truly ridiculous). And I've already seen people pull needles out of haystacks with predictions about this show so I'm open to many possibilities. But I don't think we have nearly enough facts to be sure of anything.

Gary "just my opinion" O.

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LOL, Travis. I agree with you 100 percent. C, E, F and G are ridiculous, but there are only so many places to go with this thing. There has to be a reason, though. Which of the above is it? Maybe I'm wrong and it's D?