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post #61 of 106
Kaye Ballard is one thing, but Eve Arden is another.  As we all know, Eve Arden was famous for "wisecracking," and she was probably the best wisecracker in the business.  But on THE MOTHERS-IN-LAW she was directed to say everything loudly and clearly and carefully, as if she were talking to a kindergarten class -- and she seemed not to look at the other characters, if I remember correctly.  And it was all so unnatural and broad, that I couldn't find any humor in it.

Any show, including Lucille Ball's own shows, that made people think, "Oh, this is going to be like I LOVE LUCY" was just asking for trouble.  Nothing could ever live up to it.  Getting I LOVE LUCY out of one's mind, THE MOTHERS-IN-LAW is a typical show of the late 1960s -- ok, nothing special, and a sign that the Golden Age of Television Comedy was over, only to return in a different way in the 1970s with ALL IN THE FAMILY and THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW.
post #62 of 106
I can't argue with anything Joe and Walker have said.  They're absolutely right and Joe's observations on Eve Arden's delivery is on-target.  But I love her delivery.  She can read the phone book and make me laugh.

I was eleven to thirteen when this show originally aired, so my nostalgia for it isn't as rose-colored as someone even just a couple of years younger.  This is one of those series born in that era of desperation where all the old-school writers, producers and actors were having to deal with the new world of Vietnam and the summer of love and the emerging drug culture.  Hence you have all the day-glo colors and pop-art color designs married to a show othewise mired in a 1950s sensibility.  It holds up now as well as it did then, which is to say, it's mildly amusing for those who want to see old-school formulaic comedy executed by old pros who know how to put over any material they are handed.

Is it anywhere near as good as I LOVE LUCY?  No.  It never was and nobody even then made such a claim.  The show never found its footing in its two-year run and it's certainly a time capsule of 1967-69 as seen through the eyes of the people who gave us the likes of LUCY and OUR MISS BROOKS in a different universe.  But after observing what passes for comedy these days, I look to shows such as this on DVD as a reason not to throw my TV in the trash heap and read a book.

It's a show for those nostalgic for that brief showbiz train-wreck era when Kate Smith and the Jefferson Airplane shared the same stage on the Hollywood Palace, or for fans of Eve and Kaye.  Others might want to move on.
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post #63 of 106
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It's a show for those nostalgic for that brief showbiz train-wreck era when Kate Smith and the Jefferson Airplane shared the same stage on the Hollywood Palace

At the Museum Of TV & Radio (or what was formerly known as that) I watched an episode of The Hollywood Palace where host Dean Martin introduced the Rolling Stones with this classic line: "Oh, I been rolled plenty of times when I was stoned!"
post #64 of 106
I agree with Rob_Ray, and wanted to repeat something which I find quite important:  Compared with the really great sitcoms of the 1950s and 1960s, THE MOTHERS-IN-LAW is a disappointment.  Compared with what passes for comedy on television today, it's a masterpiece!  I fully intend to get it and watch it with my 2010 eyes; I'm sure I'll like it more now than I did in 1967-69.
post #65 of 106
Another thing working against the Mothers-in-Law back in its day is the fact that it was sandwiched between Disney and Bonanza, which, demographically speaking were two kid-centric shows. Kids who watched Disney and Bonanza probably weren't interested in a couple of middle-aged dames, and would probably run around the house until Bonanza came on. THAT, and the fact that TMIL were on during the 2nd half hour of Ed Sullivan didn't help them much. TMIL would have carried its demographic had it been on another night and maybe a little later in the evening. There was definitely an audience for this type of comedy. It was also probably on the wrong network (NBC). NBC had nothing to pair it with. Had it been on CBS, they could have put it on after Lucy and kept much of her audience. Still, even if it had gone into a 3rd season, I don't see it going much farther, because the 70s came around and this type of thing vanished from the airwaves (at least until Laverne & Shirley came along).
post #66 of 106
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Another thing working against the Mothers-in-Law back in its day is the fact that it was sandwiched between Disney and Bonanza, which, demographically speaking were two kid-centric shows. Kids who watched Disney and Bonanza probably weren't interested in a couple of middle-aged dames, and would probably run around the house until Bonanza came on.

 

That timeslot always was a problem for NBC.
post #67 of 106
This may anger some, but I just watched an episode of
THE MOTHERS-IN-LAW on YouTube.  It's the one where
they get trapped in a department store.

Have to say I was bored.

I will say that Ballard and Arden are just remarkable.  You
don't see this kind of talent in comedy sitcoms anymore.
As someone pointed out, they just didn't have anything
terribly funny to play with. 
post #68 of 106
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You are right about that time slot being hard for NBC.  Below is a list of shows that filled that spot from 59-71.  The season is just how long it was in that slot. Such as Bill Dana Show lasted 1 1/2 seasons but filled that slot for only one season.

Tab Hunter Show - 1 Season
Car 54 Where Are You - 2 Seasons
Grindl - 1 Season
Bill Dana Show - 1 Season
Branded - 1 Season
Hey Landlord - 1 Season
The Mothers-In-Law - 2 Seasons
The Bill Cosby Show - 2 Seasons
Jimmy Stewart Show - 1 Season

After that (72-73 Season) Bonanza moved to Tuesday and NBC Mystery Movie filled the night.
post #69 of 106
Tvshowsondvd.com just posted a blurb, this is delayed indefintley 'till sometime later this year.
Original date was actually mother's day may 9th.
post #70 of 106
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You are right about that time slot being hard for NBC.  Below is a list of shows that filled that spot from 59-71.  The season is just how long it was in that slot. Such as Bill Dana Show lasted 1 1/2 seasons but filled that slot for only one season.

Tab Hunter Show - 1 Season
Car 54 Where Are You - 2 Seasons
Grindl - 1 Season
Bill Dana Show - 1 Season
Branded - 1 Season
Hey Landlord - 1 Season
The Mothers-In-Law - 2 Seasons
The Bill Cosby Show - 2 Seasons
Jimmy Stewart Show - 1 Season

After that (72-73 Season) Bonanza moved to Tuesday and NBC Mystery Movie filled the night.

 
       
     It's funny but I watched every one of those shows from Bill Dana on up to Jimmy Stewart. I didn't like variety shows so I didn't watch Sullivan and I really didn't care for The FBI that much either.
post #71 of 106
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You are right about that time slot being hard for NBC.  Below is a list of shows that filled that spot from 59-71.  The season is just how long it was in that slot. Such as Bill Dana Show lasted 1 1/2 seasons but filled that slot for only one season.

Tab Hunter Show - 1 Season
Car 54 Where Are You - 2 Seasons
Grindl - 1 Season
Bill Dana Show - 1 Season
Branded - 1 Season
Hey Landlord - 1 Season
The Mothers-In-Law - 2 Seasons
The Bill Cosby Show - 2 Seasons
Jimmy Stewart Show - 1 Season

After that (72-73 Season) Bonanza moved to Tuesday and NBC Mystery Movie filled the night.

 


Actually Branded lasted 2 seasons. 
post #72 of 106
They may be reconsidering releasing it at all. I know I was going to buy it as a blind buy many months ago when I thought it was coming out. Then, I lost interest with the many delays it suffered even though it wasn't officially announced. Now, with this recent delay, I decided not to hold off from watching the episode on youtube and I'm glad I didn't. I have to agree with Ronald Epstein on this one. It was such a bore to watch. Not funny at all. And not because of Kaye or Eve who are fabulous! But because they really didn't have anything funny to work with. So I'm glad for the delay now. If they ever release it now, they definitely saved me so money. Definitely not up to par with Lucy & Viv situations.  

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Tvshowsondvd.com just posted a blurb, this is delayed indefintley 'till sometime later this year.
Original date was actually mother's day may 9th.
 
post #73 of 106
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I have to agree with Ronald Epstein on this one. It was such a bore to watch. Not funny at all.


I'm no longer considering a purchase.
post #74 of 106
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I'm no longer considering a purchase.


Neither am I.  And I'm usually on board with any release from the 50's/60's TV era.  Thanks for that YouTube discussion, Ron.  It saved me some money.


Gary "it is a shame because like many of you I love Eve and Kaye - but this show just didn't cut it for me" O.
post #75 of 106
I think you guys are missing the boat. It is a funny show. Is it really fair to judge a series based on one episode? Last night I watched The Fugitive episode, The Chinese Sunset. Other than the fact that Laura Devon was hot, that's a pretty lame episode. If someone didn't know the show, how would they think if they judged it on that episode? EVERY series had its share of lame episodes. I don't care how good a show was. I remember in the early 80s, one of the first episodes I ever saw of The Defenders was called Gideon's Follies and it sucked. Still a great series. No series, no matter what it is, can be judged by one show alone.
post #76 of 106
One reason this show has been held up is because it's going to be jam-packed with added value.  The Arnaz Estate has a treasure trove of behind-the-scenes footage and documents related to this show and Kaye Ballard has been working with them too.  I'm getting it just for the added value alone.

Yes, Eve and Kaye often had tired material to work with here, but like the pros they were, they made the material better than it was.

On a similar note, we watched a couple of episodes of "F-Troop'" last night.  Same story.  It was total stupidity from start to finish, with ethnic humor you couldn't do today, but seeing seasoned professionals like Forrest Tucker, Larry Storch, Ken Berry, Edward Everett Horton and Frank De Kova trouping through it, made it fun nonetheless.

Looking back now, the sixties were, more often than not, no golden age when it came to comedy writing.  But it was a golden age when it came to the stock company of fondly-remembered actors who found work there.

I'm buying the Mothers-in-Law because I love Eve and Kaye and want to show my support for these semi-forgotten relics of another era.
post #77 of 106
Nonsense: "Gideon's Follies" is a comic masterpiece.

"The Chinese Sunset" ... well, er ....
post #78 of 106
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I think you guys are missing the boat. It is a funny show. Is it really fair to judge a series based on one episode? Last night I watched The Fugitive episode, The Chinese Sunset. Other than the fact that Laura Devon was hot, that's a pretty lame episode. If someone didn't know the show, how would they think if they judged it on that episode? EVERY series had its share of lame episodes. I don't care how good a show was. I remember in the early 80s, one of the first episodes I ever saw of The Defenders was called Gideon's Follies and it sucked. Still a great series. No series, no matter what it is, can be judged by one show alone.
I agree, I was going to make the same points.  This show is 43 years old and television has come a long way.  Some of the scripts may be considered "old hat", but since the cast is so talented, I would hardly call this show a bore. This show is really fun to watch television.  It's surprising to hear that people are changing their minds to purchase this set so easily, especially if they like TV from this era and enjoy the cast members. 

I have had to pick and choose TV DVD'S a bit more carefully these days, as I am trying to be more careful with my spending (at least for the time being), but this is one set I am going to buy for sure.  I have been a fan, ever since I was a kid and watched the reruns in the late 70'S/early 80'S.  It's interesting to hear the different opinions though.
post #79 of 106
My recollection of this show is hazy. I vaguely recall seeing it in early morning syndication when I was a little kid. So after getting the heads-up here, I watched the episode posted on YouTube. I thought it was really funny -- certainly not by today's standards, and definitely of its time -- but I had two literal laugh-out-loud moments, and the rest of it was very entertaining, almost certainly due to the personalities of and performances by the two leading ladies.

And if that represents one of the weaker episodes in the series run, I'll definitely be buying the DVD set when it comes out.
post #80 of 106
Count me in as another instant purchaser for this one.  I loved this show when I was a kid and have fond memories of watching it with my mother and father. Arden and Ballard are unbeatable and even when the material isn't quite up to par they still are fun to watch. Just thinking about it makes me smile.
post #81 of 106
I know that many of you have been waiting for THIS report!

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mothers-In-Law-The-Complete-Series/13589
post #82 of 106
Great news, thanks Dave
post #83 of 106
Thread Starter 
I am very intrigued by the news that this will include the pilot for The Carol Channing Show, starring Carol Channing and Richard Deacon.  Sounds like one of those "what were they thinking?!!" moments...or perhaps it will turn out to be a lost treasure.  In either case, the pairing of Channing and Deacon should make for interesting viewing.  I'm guessing she'll play an irrepressible madcap type and he'll spend his time trying to repress her.

Regardless, I am very happy that MPI is releasing both seasons in one set at a reasonable price and including a tasty spread of extras.
post #84 of 106
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I am very intrigued by the news that this will include the pilot for The Carol Channing Show, starring Carol Channing and Richard Deacon. 
 
Yeah, it's cool.  Produced and directed by Desi, written by Bob and Madelyn, and watch for Jimmy Garrett from "The Lucy Show"!
post #85 of 106
I watched this show only sporadically during its initial run. I remember enjoying the show at times, but at other times not so much. I think one could get varying opinions of the show based on which particular episode that was viewed.

I plan to pick this up at some point, just not immediately.
post #86 of 106

I received a copy of “The Mothers-in-Law:  The Complete Series” this week and fans will be pleased to know that it was well worth the delays.  All 56 episodes from the two-season run are here, along with hours of extra material culled from the Desilu Too vaults and various other archives.

 

The transfers are bright and colorful, but not on a par with “Here’s Lucy.”  I’m told that given how the original source materials had been spread to the winds, it’s a miracle they look as good as they do here, and they look fine.  I’ve only caught two episodes so far, as I dove immediately into the exhaustive supplemental disc, but I could see that the premiere episode includes the original NBC peacock along with the “brought to you by” commercial tag.  The one other episode I watched from season two contains just the episode itself without the network garnishments.

 

Desi Arnaz, Jr. introduces the first episode, explaining its place in the career of Desi Arnaz and providing a general background for the show’s setting and production.  The remaining episodes are spread over seven single-sided discs.

 

The last disc in the eight-disc set is completely devoted to extra material and there’s a phenomenal amount for a show that had such limited success.  First up is an approximately twenty minute featurette “Remembering The Mothers-in-Law” with Kaye Ballard.  She has nothing but complete respect for the talents of Arnaz and Eve Arden and recalls meeting Eve Arden back in the mid-forties and being star-struck at the time.  She briefly touches on why Roger C. Carmel was replaced by Richard Deacon and laments the change.  She also laments the typecasting that this show and her stint on the “Doris Day Show” engendered but says elsewhere on the disc says that the two years spent on this show were among the happiest in her long career.

 

Also included is the original unaired pilot featuring a different actress, Kay Cole, in the role of the daughter, Suzie.  She’s fine and Kaye Ballard does not know why she was replaced but I suspect that Deborah Walley, after her middling success in a few film roles, was more of a name.  Regardless, when Ms. Walley became available, Ms Cole was dropped and her scenes in the pilot were reshot and inserted into episode one.

 

We are also given several minutes worth of cast commercials for various Proctor and Gamble products such as Scope, Crest and Camay.  The Scope commercial features Roger C. Carmel and is obviously from season one.  Also included are non-cast commercials for Bold Detergent (with a hilarious Joanne Worley touting the virtues of the color red) and a public service announcement by Carol Burnett.

 

The network promotional spots include a finished promotional done for KNBC Channel Four along with raw footage of other promotionals where the voice of Desi Arnaz can be heard getting the two leads into the appropriate mood.

 

The Behind the Scenes footage is a real find.  Desi Arnaz filmed one entire week’s worth of work on 16mm silent film, showing the formulation of one episode from the initial table reading through the filming before an audience.  Kaye offers a commentary with help from writer Madelyn Davis and legendary Desilu editor Dann Cahn as we watch the cast read through the script at a table on the set, the initial rehearsal, the camera blocking (the most tedious day, recalls Kaye), the dress rehearsal, the audience warmup, the cast introduction and finally the filming.  It’s fascinating to watch as a glimpse of not only the genesis of an episode of The Mothers-in-Law, but of many Desilu series from this era.  Kaye especially points out at how few people are at the table reading, as opposed to now, when countless people are gathered, each focused on protecting his or her own job.

 

Rare Kaye Ballard footage includes a clip from an appearance on the Hollywood Palace with Don Adams and a heartwarming bit when she co-hosted Mike Douglas’s show and her grandmother was in the studio audience.

 

There’s a rare Eve Arden clip that I can report on later after I’ve watched it (it’s on color videotape and appears to be from about 1960), and a two-part entry in the “Let’s Talk to Lucy” radio series (other entries of which can be found on the “Here’s Lucy” DVDs) in which Lucille Ball interviews Eve while some of Eve’s home movies are shown onscreen.

 

Take a look at that home movie footage.  At one point, Eve is shown performing on stage sometime in the forties.  Isn’t that a young Vivian Vance with her on stage?

 

There’s an unproduced script offered as a still-step feature, along with a photo gallery and the supplemental disc is rounded out by the complete versions of two Desilu pilots which were never sold:  The Carol Channing Show and a drama called “Land’s End.”  I haven’t viewed these two yet but hope to get to them in the next few days.

 

In conclusion, I’d say this set is a fine example of really going the extra mile to produce a product that does a series proud.

 

Say what you want about the series itself – and most of the time it’s a case of hugely talented professionals putting over admittedly silly material – this is well worth owning as a historical artifact of a bygone era when old-fashioned innocence ruled the airwaves.  And for fans of Eve Arden, Kaye Ballard and the production talents of Desi Arnaz, this is a must-have.


Edited by Rob_Ray - 7/9/10 at 10:38pm
post #87 of 106

As if the show and the wonderful extras are not enough, Amazon now has it on sale!  It is only $18.99!!  Usually pre-orders are not placed on sale before the release date, rather just their discounted price is offered.   Even at 28.49, (Amazon discounted price before the sale) it was a very good price considering that you are getting two seasons, plus extensive extras.   I placed my order at once!

post #88 of 106

Thanks, rcbrad.  I was on the fence for this one, but I can't resist it at that price.  Nineteen bucks is still a little high for this series, but that price is certainly worth it for the extras.

post #89 of 106

Thanks Rob!  Can't wait for this.

post #90 of 106
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Thanks, rcbrad.  I was on the fence for this one, but I can't resist it at that price.  Nineteen bucks is still a little high for this series, but that price is certainly worth it for the extras.


Nineteen bucks is an absolute steal for any eight disc set, no matter what you think of the show itself.

 

I sampled the Eve Arden rare footage.  It's from a 1959 special starring Cyd Charisse in that early NBC low-band color.  James Mitchell introduces Cyd and Eve in a version of "Baubles, Bangles and Beads".  Also featured is the trailer for the 1956 movie version of "Our Miss Brooks" which is available from the Warner Archive.
 

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