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now it seems clear how they'll have enough material for part I of deathly hallows. The story of the founder's horcruxes in part 1 (i'm presuming that harry gets the memories in dumbledore's will as well, or that hermione got those along with the horcrux books), and the story of the three brothers in part 2.

What the hell happened to the cloak in film six? It's of huge importance and the filmmakers almost never used it? did Harry leave it on the hogwarts express? did Luna take it? frustrating.
Given the different choices made for the ending, I didn't see much point to using it after the train scene. There were no moments that leaped out at me and said: "that would have made more sense if Harry was under the invisibility cloak!"

If Harry had been under the Invisiblity Cloak for Dumbledore's death scene, as in the book, Harry's moment with Snape would not have been possible. And Harry finally granting Snape his trust and seemingly be stabbed in the back for it, should pay off gangbusters in Deathly Hallows Part II.
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The tent rears its ugly head!

Wonder how they will handle those sequences in the movie?  All the time reading that section in the book - FILLER - kept playing in my head.  Easily could be cut down in length. Thankfully, the very nature of cinematic adaptation will have this compression occur naturally.

It is very exciting that Rowling really crafted an awesome third act which allowed the series to end on a high note.
Yates has described the first film (since the book is being split into two movies) as basicly a road trip movie. It goes from:

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The Weasley Wedding at the beginning through to when the Trio is taken by the Snatchers, ending on a cliffhanger un route to Malfoy Manor.
That implies that were going to have plenty of time sitting around talking in tents in the first film. I think this stretch will be inherently more interesting than it was in the book, however, because it provides the filmmakers the opportunity to really showcase what remains of the British Wilderness. After six films largely couped up in one setting, it'll be nice to see a rapidly changing set of scenery.
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One word: montage.
 

Sure hope so!
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I have not read the books.  And after seeing HBP last night in the theater.  I was able to figure out who took the Horcruxes.  Just had a question about who will be playing that character?
 


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Does anyone know who will be playing Regulus Black in the next movie?  IMDB doesn't show anyone yet.  Thanks!

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QUOTE: "That implies that were going to have plenty of time sitting around talking in tents in the first film. I think this stretch will be inherently more interesting than it was in the book, however, because it provides the filmmakers the opportunity to really showcase what remains of the British Wilderness. After six films largely couped up in one setting, it'll be nice to see a rapidly changing set of scenery."

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I seriously doubt that, the lack of memories indicates the trio is going to be actively hunting the remaining horcruxes rather than just learning about them in memory, for example: [spoiler]rather than learning about the hufflepuff cup in a memory, I think they'll be doing active detective work after being given a start by dumbledore's collected memory and that leads them to bella (perhaps they find and question the old lady's house elf themselves?) then they find out at the start of part 2 that bella put it in her Gringotts vault.  You can also tell the story of the ravenclaw diadem in this part, again, begin with a dumbledore memory and then bulid on it, giving them a chance to investigate it.  So rather than them feeling helpless and having nothing to do that isn't locket related in the first book you combine the stories and hunt for those three horcruxes and make the hunt for them more active and investigatory.  part of the problem of their frustrated passivity in book seven was that dumbledore had already given Harry all the information/memories he really had in book six.  We haven't been given that info in the movies yet,  but it will be necessary to learn it.  Have them learn something about Nagini as well (or cut Nagini as a horcrux and have six horcruxes (seven parts of soul) rather than seven horcruxes (eight parts of soul) as in the book).  Cutting Nagini may be in the cards, did you note how Riddle said, "six or seven horcruxes?" in the movie version of his scene with Slughorn?  The dialog is substantially different then how the book treats that scene.

The other big subplot is dumbledore's back story which is most relevant to the tale of the three brothers. I would juggle learning the tale of the three brothers to the beginning of part II when they are imprisoned, have the tale come from Ollivander and Hermione, and have Hermione yanked at a major point of the story.  Deal with her torture, the breakout and if necessary get the rest of the story later from Lovegood or Hermione or whatever.  (or Lovegood can be imprisoned in Malfoy manner as well).  Additionally, having dumbledore's backstory come from Skeeter's articles and books is passive and annoying, better to get snatches  of it from people who knew him that the trio runs into during their quest (perhaps having Harry collect memories so we can SEE some of this backstory, and establish a nice little grace note of Harry stepping into Dumbledore's shoes in the task of collecting memories, only this time he's collecting memories about Dumbledore--the greatest 'good' wizard--rather than the greatest evil wizard.  It's a solid dramatic parallel and makes things more cinematic and the trio more actively engaged with the essential stories of the three  brothers and of dumbledore's past and connection to the deathly hallows. [/spoiler]
ETA: I seriously fucking hate this new forum software.
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This thread has made me want to go back and read the series for the 3rd time. Finally catching HBP this weekend
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I have not read the books.  And after seeing HBP last night in the theater.  I was able to figure out who took the Horcruxes.  Just had a question about who will be playing that character?
 

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Does anyone know who will be playing Regulus Black in the next movie?  IMDB doesn't show anyone yet.  Thanks!

Well, without giving anything away, that character was seen as a photo on Slughorn's desk in the Half-Blood Prince movie, so presumably whoever played him for the moving photograph will also play him in the next movie. His role, while crucial, is small so there's no need for a "name" actor.
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QUOTE: "That implies that were going to have plenty of time sitting around talking in tents in the first film. I think this stretch will be inherently more interesting than it was in the book, however, because it provides the filmmakers the opportunity to really showcase what remains of the British Wilderness. After six films largely couped up in one setting, it'll be nice to see a rapidly changing set of scenery."

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I seriously doubt that, the lack of memories indicates the trio is going to be actively hunting the remaining horcruxes rather than just learning about them in memory, for example: [spoiler]rather than learning about the hufflepuff cup in a memory, I think they'll be doing active detective work after being given a start by dumbledore's collected memory and that leads them to bella (perhaps they find and question the old lady's house elf themselves?) then they find out at the start of part 2 that bella put it in her Gringotts vault.  You can also tell the story of the ravenclaw diadem in this part, again, begin with a dumbledore memory and then bulid on it, giving them a chance to investigate it.  So rather than them feeling helpless and having nothing to do that isn't locket related in the first book you combine the stories and hunt for those three horcruxes and make the hunt for them more active and investigatory.  part of the problem of their frustrated passivity in book seven was that dumbledore had already given Harry all the information/memories he really had in book six.  We haven't been given that info in the movies yet,  but it will be necessary to learn it.  Have them learn something about Nagini as well (or cut Nagini as a horcrux and have six horcruxes (seven parts of soul) rather than seven horcruxes (eight parts of soul) as in the book).  Cutting Nagini may be in the cards, did you note how Riddle said, "six or seven horcruxes?" in the movie version of his scene with Slughorn?  The dialog is substantially different then how the book treats that scene.

The other big subplot is dumbledore's back story which is most relevant to the tale of the three brothers. I would juggle learning the tale of the three brothers to the beginning of part II when they are imprisoned, have the tale come from Ollivander and Hermione, and have Hermione yanked at a major point of the story.  Deal with her torture, the breakout and if necessary get the rest of the story later from Lovegood or Hermione or whatever.  (or Lovegood can be imprisoned in Malfoy manner as well).  Additionally, having dumbledore's backstory come from Skeeter's articles and books is passive and annoying, better to get snatches  of it from people who knew him that the trio runs into during their quest (perhaps having Harry collect memories so we can SEE some of this backstory, and establish a nice little grace note of Harry stepping into Dumbledore's shoes in the task of collecting memories, only this time he's collecting memories about Dumbledore--the greatest 'good' wizard--rather than the greatest evil wizard.  It's a solid dramatic parallel and makes things more cinematic and the trio more actively engaged with the essential stories of the three  brothers and of dumbledore's past and connection to the deathly hallows. [/spoiler]
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I hear you on the software. When I'm quoting other members, I like to split up their posts and address each point as they come. I did this for the HBP discussion thread, but it was a long and tedious process. I think you're definitely right about using some of the extra time to fill-in the back story that was left out of HBP (and correctly so in my opinion). I know the Hallows themselves will be handled similarly to the book. Bill Nighy, who's about to shoot his role as Minister of Magic Rufus Scrimgeour in the Deathly Hallows, described his biggest scene:

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"Well, there's one where he comes and delivers Dumbledore's [Michael Gambon] legacy to the three children," Nighy replied, referring to Harry, Hermione (Emma Watson) and Ron (Rupert Grint, with whom Nighy worked on the upcoming action-comedy Wild Target). "He gives them all of the things that Dumbledore has left them, and that's when it's first indicated that he may not be around for much longer. So it's quite an affecting scene."

So a key change from the book is that when Scrimgeour gives the Trio Dumbledore's gifts, he's not still desperately trying to save his political future; instead, he knows his death is iminient and is basically doing the only thing he can to give the good guys a shot. A less complex but also less disillusioning take on the character.
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This thread has made me want to go back and read the series for the 3rd time. Finally catching HBP this weekend

I intentionally avoided going back and re-reading the sixth novel before the movie because I wanted to experience the movie on its own terms, free of the direct comparisons that would result from having it fresh in my mind. That being said, I'm going to dive into the seventh book tomorrow night so I can complete the story in my head.

In other news, Nicholas Hooper has confirmed he will NOT be back to score Deathly Hallows, citing a desire to spend more time with his family. Together with John Williams's comment that he'd like to finish what he started and David Heyman stating that they're actively trying to get him back, and it looks like there's a good shot we'll get another Harry Potter score from John Williams.
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I'd like to see the story of Ravenclaw's diadem expanded or changed in the movie.  What I'd do is have the trio encounter a somewhat cured Gilderoy Lockhart and have him connected to the diadem. for instance, Lockhart's only real 'adventure' was when he tried to track down the diadem?  from the trio encountering Lockhart and perhaps getting a memory of his, they get a clue that leads them to the next step and then they figure out where it may be hidden by connecting it to dumbledore's memory of Riddle.
post #38 of 249
I did not watch these two parts. But I want to watch it. but where?
post #39 of 249
Hardy, this is the next in the series after Half-Blood Prince, but split into 2 parts. You'll have to wait until 2010/2011.
post #40 of 249
Very much a film it was pleasant to me!
post #41 of 249
As I mentioned earlier.  I have never read the books. But, seen the movies.  This way I am not upset by things missing.  But, I cannot wait another year and a half for the conclusion. So I have been listening to the book on tape while in the car, working out or sitting on the beach.  And I trying to figure how they will get over 25 hrs of story into 5hrs?  Yes, I know a lot of the story is explainations of surroundings and movements.  But, it will be interesting to see what is and what isn't in the story.

I am just at the part of the book where..

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 Where they escape Voldemort in Godrick's Hollow and Harry finds out his wand is broke. The way things are going.  It feels like Empire Strikes Back.  Where at every turn the good guys are getting whooped.
post #42 of 249
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First official still from Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part I:
Harry Potter (Daniel Radcliffe), Ron Weasley (Rupert Grint) and Hermione Granger (Emma Watson) have disrobed in favor of a casual look for a jaunt in London, here near Piccadilly Circus. Deathly Hallows is the first of the final two Potter films.
post #43 of 249
 While I am happy for the pick.  It would be nice if they release a pic of some of the new characters in the movie.  I know some have already filmed their scenes.
post #44 of 249
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The marketing machine is just getting started for this flick, which will hit theaters next November. There will be plenty more photos as time goes on.
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Have they decided on what they're going to call these movies? Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows: Book One or Part One or what?

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Have they decided on what they're going to call these movies? Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows: Book One or Part One or what?



Harry Potter: Revenge of Voldemort
and
Harry Potter: Return of the Potter

post #47 of 249
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Second official still:
Harry Potter enters the bedroom of his late godfather in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

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Have they decided on what they're going to call these movies? Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows: Book One or Part One or what?


It looks like they're marketing it as a single film with two release dates. The first trailer will have this logo...

...followed by this release date card:
post #48 of 249
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Filming on the Harry Potter series completed earlier this month. The first trailer for Harry Potter and the Dealthy Hallows: Part 1 will be released by Warner Bros. at 4 PST on Monday. The official synopsis from Warner Bros.:


Part 1 begins as Harry, Ron and Hermione set out on their perilous mission to track down and destroy the secret to Voldemort's immortality and destruction—the Horcruxes. On their own, without the guidance of their professors or the protection of Professor Dumbledore, the three friends must now rely on one another more than ever. But there are Dark Forces in their midst that threaten to tear them apart.

Meanwhile, the wizarding world has become a dangerous place for all enemies of the Dark Lord. The long-feared war has begun and Voldemort's Death Eaters seize control of the Ministry of Magic and even Hogwarts, terrorizing and arresting anyone who might oppose them. But the one prize they still seek is the one most valuable to Voldemort: Harry Potter. The Chosen One has become the hunted one as the Death Eaters search for Harry with orders to bring him to Voldemort... alive.

Harry's only hope is to find the Horcruxes before Voldemort finds him. But as he searches for clues, he uncovers an old and almost forgotten tale—the legend of the Deathly Hallows. And if the legend turns out to be true, it could give Voldemort the ultimate power he seeks.

Little does Harry know that his future has already been decided by his past when, on that fateful day, he became "the Boy Who Lived." No longer just a boy, Harry Potter is drawing ever closer to the task for which he has been preparing since the day he first stepped into Hogwarts: the ultimate battle with Voldemort.

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Thanks for sharing, Todd! Direct links to the HD Quicktime files below:

 

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post #51 of 249

Love the trailer but I'm a little concerned about the last scene in it.  If that's what I think it is then it's a very big change from the book, IMO.  I know that the book and movie are two different things but I will not be happy if that's really how they changed it.

 

My heart was in my throat by the end of the trailer.  The movies can't get here soon enough.

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Love the trailer but I'm a little concerned about the last scene in it.  If that's what I think it is then it's a very big change from the book, IMO.  I know that the book and movie are two different things but I will not be happy if that's really how they changed it.

 

My heart was in my throat by the end of the trailer.  The movies can't get here soon enough.

 


 

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Jim,  Their has been some big discussions about this.  If you are referring to the battle in the Great Hall.  A lot of people are still saying it happens.  It looks like the battle between Harry & Volde is made a bit longer and more intense.  So they start in the Hall and then work out into the ruins.   We shall see.
 

post #53 of 249

I've been avoiding spoilers even though I've read the book.  As for what you've posted...

 

 

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If that's true that has to be the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.  The battle between the two of them consists of a lot of talking and the casting of one spell each.  The fact that the wand can't defeat its true owner is central to the whole damn book.  How can they have a prolonged intense battle and not betray the damn book?!  This will piss me off to no end.

post #54 of 249
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It's not a deal breaker for me as long as the emotion of the scene stays intact. All seven films lead up to the final confrontation between Harry Voldemort. It makes sense that they'd want to make sure audiences get their money's worth.

 

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There can be a prolonged battle without betraying the fact that the Elder Wand can't defeat Harry, as long as Voldemort doesn't land any serious blows. The only thing that changes is the amount of time it takes Voldemort to realize he's screwed.

post #55 of 249
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A demonstration of how special this series is. Philosopher's Stone/Sorcerer's Stone on left, Deathly Hallows on right:

 

Ron and Hermione:

Ron and Hermione, Sorcerer's Stone to Deathly Hallows

 

Harry and Ginny:

Harry and Ginny, Sorcerer's Stone to Deathly Hallows

post #56 of 249
Excellent trailer. Great visuals, great music, great material. Much better than the first teaser. Which highlighted their long slog through the forest, easily the worst part of the 7th book. I hope the movies deliver as well as the 7th book did. That is a high standard. It is amazing how effectively they cast the children.
post #57 of 249

I'm ready for this.  I know, all the twilight peoples are out waiting at the theater.  Shockingly, I'm much more excited about a film where the actors don't seemingly have rigormortis from their own wooden performances ;)   Bring on Harry!

post #58 of 249

Awesome comparisons, Adam.  And I 100% agree with you.  This particular franchise can claim to be a legit phenomenon. 

 

That Harry and Ginny kiss in the trailer (which isn't in the book, considering its placement) is going to kill me.

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Speaking of Ginny.  The actress just got engaged to Jamie Campbell Bower..Who plays Grindlewald in the movie.

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Speaking of Ginny.  The actress just got engaged to Jamie Campbell Bower..Who plays Grindlewald in the movie.


Bonnie Wright denied that rumor at the opening of the Harry Potter theme park in Florida last month. The two have been dating for quite a while now, though.

 

The teaser poster:

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