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post #211 of 237
2/9/09 at 1:08am

Re: Bale loses it during filming...

Read back a few pages.
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post #212 of 237
2/9/09 at 1:35am

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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
Read back a few pages.

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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
Well, if he was less popular then he'd been fired and kicked out of Hollywood.

I was watching that documentary on Polanski where they plead and moan for Polanski, a rapist, to be given another shot. The filmmakers are bending over backwards to give the man a break yet I'm sitting here wondering if the filmmakers would go to the same trouble if some bum living in a trailer had taken his twelve-year-old neighbor, drugged her up and then slept with her. Hollywood wants Polanski to be forgiven but I wonder how much sympathy they'd have for the trailer trash.

In other words, the bigger they are the more their issues will be overlooked.
You talkin' about this one? Bale did nothing on that level.
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Kinda reminds me of the folks in that Polanski doc who blamed the 13-year-old girl for being at his house.

I can only imagine Bale doing that on the set of an Eastwood directed film.
Here you make another reference like it's the same thing.
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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
Okay, obviously I'm naive with what I write and how it's going to be taken so here goes.

Polanski:

In the new documentary, everyone who defends Polanski keep saying how it was the mother's fault that she left her child at Polanski's house. They mention that the girl was already sexually active, drinking alcohol and taking pills so Polanski wasn't the one who got her started. None of these people (3 of them) ever simply said Polanski was wrong for having sex and giving drugs to a miner.

Bale:

Everyone keeps talking about how to act on a set. How the DP was out of line for ruining a shot. How the DP should have known better. How McG should have handled the DP. How McG isn't in control of the set. These are all fine points but not many have put Bale down for what he actually did. A simple "Bale was out of place" would go a long way. It seems a lot of people (not all) are shining a spotlight on the wrong of the DP without saying what Bale did was wrong. And please don't think I'm limiting this to the folks here because I'm not. Co-workers, other actors, directors and so forth are coming to Bale's defense. No one has said he should have handled it better.

There is no attempt to compare the two acts.
And yet, that's exactly what your post here does. Compare the two acts like the're simular.
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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
With Polanski, people should really watch the documentary but apparently he also dated Kinski when she was 15. Apparently he photographed other 12/13 year-old-girls as well. Why do people still want to work with him? I'd say because he's a great director but this goes back to the who you are and so on. If a drive-in director had done these acts then it's doubtful his career would have continued. Just look at Salva. Even Hollywood threw the book at Salva yet they give Polanski an Oscar and a standing ovation. I doubt many "normal people" remember him. If so I'd bet it was for the "sex with a minor" charge. Film buffs will certainly remember him for his talent even if it leaves a bad taste in their mouth.


I doubt this hurts Bale unless T4 turns out to be a bad movie. If it turns out bad then I'm sure some will go after him and McG. If they make a good movie all will be forgotten and the YouTube video makers will pick something else to make fun of.
And here's another comparison. So, I've re-read the posts and ask again, why do you keep comparing two extremely different acts as if the're simular? Bale is not, to my knowledge, a rapist.
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post #213 of 237
2/9/09 at 2:39am

Re: Bale looses it during filming...

I never compared their acts. I compared the people who say neither one did anything wrong.
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post #214 of 237
2/9/09 at 5:33am

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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
I never compared their acts. I compared the people who say neither one did anything wrong.

There really is no difference. You are saying that people who defend Bale are the same as people who defend child rape. Sorry, but anyone who justifies or excuses rape is a hell of a lot more out of touch than people who justify what amounts to an adult temper tantrum. It is an insult, not to mention a disturbing lack of insight, to compare people who defend Bale to those who defend Polanski. As I said before, reasonable people can disagree about Bale's behavior. Whether his victim has "forgiven" him or not, no reasonable person could excuse Polanski's behavior without some accusation of being a star struck sycophant.
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post #215 of 237
2/9/09 at 10:46am

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You can read it however you like and you are more than welcomed to be insulted by it. Just make it clear that I never compared rape and a sissy fit by a "punk".

Not even Bale can defend his actions and even he has said that he was way out of line. His so-called holy defenders can't even say he should have handled it a different way. Instead of saying Bale did anything wrong they want to push the fault to the DP or McQ. A simple: Bale was out of line but.... would have worked but these defenders can't even say that.
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post #216 of 237
2/9/09 at 11:00am

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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
You can read it however you like and you are more than welcomed to be insulted by it. Just make it clear that I never compared rape and a sissy fit by a "punk".

Not even Bale can defend his actions and even he has said that he was way out of line. His so-called holy defenders can't even say he should have handled it a different way. Instead of saying Bale did anything wrong they want to push the fault to the DP or McQ. A simple: Bale was out of line but.... would have worked but these defenders can't even say that.

So would it also "have worked" if Polanski's defenders said "Roman was out of line but . . ."? Because if that does not work, then you have no point in comparing the two defenders, besides silly shock value. Sorry to say, but your comparison, much more than heaping insult upon me, instead removes respect from both you and your argument, and you are more than welcome to feel both disrespected and irrelevant by that fact.
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post #217 of 237
2/9/09 at 12:05pm

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Well, you're just going to have to move on in life as Bale has. I'm certainly not going to take back what I said. As for silly shock value, you seem to be the one dragging it out with this overdramatic "removing respect" from myself. As with Bale, I don't know you so I can't say I'm going to lose any sleep over you losing respect due to what I wrote. I guess I'll be the bad bully and say I've lost respect for someone like you who can't say Bale did anything wrong and instead push it off on a victim and a bystander. At least Bale had more guts to admit he was wrong, which is why he gets my respect while those defenders don't. I'm sure if Bale read some of these defenders he'd probably go off on another rant.

Now, you can come back with how insulting I am and how much respect you've lost for me but this will be my last post since we're entering Sirk territory so please, take the final word.
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post #218 of 237
2/9/09 at 12:36pm

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I actually never said what Bale did wasn't wrong. I simply said I understood why he did it, was guilty of it myself sometimes, and then mostly questioned the appropriateness of equating defenders of Bale with defenders of child rape. That's all. Then again, there is a lot of projecting going on in this thread, so maybe you are correct to just move on.
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post #219 of 237
2/9/09 at 12:51pm

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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
Well, you're just going to have to move on in life as Bale has.
You mean, like you should.
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I'm certainly not going to take back what I said.
Okay
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As for silly shock value, you seem to be the one dragging it out with this overdramatic "removing respect" from myself. As with Bale, I don't know you so I can't say I'm going to lose any sleep over you losing respect due to what I wrote. I guess I'll be the bad bully and say I've lost respect for someone like you who can't say Bale did anything wrong and instead push it off on a victim and a bystander.
So, in one sentence you condemn Jeff Gatie for what he said and one sentence later do the exact same thing yourself.
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At least Bale had more guts to admit he was wrong, which is why he gets my respect while those defenders don't.
Now you're assuming Bale cares about if you do or don't respect him. When you've clearly demonstrated you don't care if people do or don't respect you. Interesting.
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I'm sure if Bale read some of these defenders he'd probably go off on another rant.
Why? Because we understand him rather than condemn him for a temper fit.
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post #220 of 237
2/10/09 at 10:23am

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I knew somebody was gonna work "Newsies" into this sooner or later:

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post #221 of 237
2/10/09 at 10:34am

Re: Bale looses it during filming...

I get this sense of the end of something, soon.
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post #222 of 237
2/10/09 at 11:16am

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I get this sense of the end of something, soon.

You mean....this thread?
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post #223 of 237
2/10/09 at 11:47am

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This thread went off the tracks, careened over a cliff in the pouring rain, crashed into the rocks below, exploded into a ball of flame from three different angles Michael Bay style, a long time ago.
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post #224 of 237
2/10/09 at 12:04pm

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This thread went off the tracks, careened over a cliff in the pouring rain, etc.
Not to detract from the cleverness of your phrasing (which I very much enjoyed ), but what tracks? Threads like this one have nowhere to go and no real subject to explore. They're Rorschach tests for the participants (myself included), and often fascinating for what they reveal. There are participants in this thread with whom I almost never agree in HT discussions, and yet I found myself nodding as I read what they've written here. It's always good to be reminded how multi-faceted people can be.

As for the instigating incident, it's already yesterday's news.
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post #225 of 237
2/10/09 at 12:07pm

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Bale said he was sorry, the matter was obviously resolved. What's there to discuss?
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post #226 of 237
2/10/09 at 12:10pm

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Michael, I stand corrected. This thread never had "tracks" to begin with. I just didn't take the time to come up with another word.
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post #227 of 237
2/10/09 at 12:14pm

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I just didn't take the time to come up with another word.
No regrets here. "Tracks" led to such a lovely image of a Michael Bay fire ball. In my mind's eye, I pictured a certain poster flying through the air crying, "Curse you, Polanski!" in a tone very much like the Wilhelm Scream.
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post #228 of 237
2/10/09 at 12:25pm

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Wilhelm? I'm not familiar with that. The only "Scream" that comes to mind is Münch.
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post #229 of 237
2/10/09 at 12:29pm

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It's a famous sound effect in movies. I'm pretty sure there's a least one thread about it in the Movies forum, and it even has a Wikipedia entry.
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post #230 of 237
2/10/09 at 12:30pm

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Wilhelm? I'm not familiar with that. The only "Scream" that comes to mind is Münch.

The Wilhelm scream is a recognizable scream that has sounded off in many films (including the Star Wars and Indiana Jones films). It is the scream that the Stormtrooper makes when he is shot on the other side of the Death Star bridge by Luke in Star Wars. It was the scream that a guy made as he was knocked off the cliff by a dinosaur during the stampede in Peter Jackson's King Kong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PxALy22utc
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post #231 of 237
2/10/09 at 12:33pm

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Wilhelm? I'm not familiar with that. The only "Scream" that comes to mind is Münch.

Never mind Münch, what about that Gauguin guy? Another one who screwed up a respected career (as a stockbroker) because of a penchant for young girls (and yet people still buy his work).
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post #232 of 237
2/10/09 at 12:41pm

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what about that Gauguin guy?
I'm sure someone's working out a theory of how he illustrates Hollywood's hypocrisy at this very moment.
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post #233 of 237
2/10/09 at 9:36pm

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Never mind Münch, what about that Gauguin guy? Another one who screwed up a respected career (as a stockbroker) because of a penchant for young girls (and yet people still buy his work).
And better yet ape it. As it happens, I have an artist friend whose main influence is Gauguin. I know that because (1) even to a philistine like me, Gauguin's style is unmistakable and oozes out of her work, and (2) uh... she said so

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post #234 of 237
2/12/09 at 3:37pm

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I thought this was done but I keep seeing talking heads all over TV mouthing off about Bale and how much of a diva move it was, boycotting his movies, going to anger management groups, quitting movies, etc.
I can not believe that so many are willing to write this guy off because he got mad. That's it, he got mad and yelled. Who the hell has not gotten mad at one point in their life? If you haven't you can make these statements. Ghandi maybe? Hell even Ghandi probably said, "can I get a "God" damn hamburger" at least once in his life. Well may be not, but you get my point.
Everyone gets a little more mad than they should have at one point in their life, and It just pisses me off to see so many people throw rocks from their own glass houses.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that this is how he should behave, and if he does it's Ok. It's not Ok, this is not how anyone deserves to be treated, but I can forgive what he did. I understand anyone in that type of situation and how someone could be driven to this brief, and rare, over reaction.
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post #235 of 237
2/13/09 at 7:40am

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Well, I think Bale, who I do not know, owes me an apology because he yelled at someone else I do not know, about something that's none of my business.

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post #236 of 237
2/13/09 at 7:52am

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Originally Posted by Holadem
Well, I think Bale, who I do not know, owes me an apology because he yelled at someone else I do not know, about something that's none of my business.

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LOL, exactly.
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post #237 of 237
2/13/09 at 8:14am

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Originally Posted by Holadem
Well, I think Bale, who I do not know, owes me an apology because he yelled at someone else I do not know, about something that's none of my business.

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Clearly you are a starstruck celebrity apologist for not caring about this minor incident. If you weren't so blinded by celebrity, you'd worry a lot more about Hollywood stars and their tantrums.
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