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post #31 of 46

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Me and a buddy watched this tonight and we both need an aspirin. It's not perfect but some of the 3-D came off pretty good but I could definitely see the 'double images' that were mentioned above. I thought the best looking 3-D stuff wasn't the show-y stuff (like the eyeball or the spear) but just normal shots when there's something in the foreground and mid-ground and a deep background.

Like the other two movies, the 5.1 remix sounds relatively good.
post #32 of 46

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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
I'm certainly glad I didn't pass on it. Honestly, I can't imagine why any fan would skip it when the 3-D works and it's something we've not had before on R1.

Well, the reason that I'm glad that I passed on buying it is because the reviewer said that the 3-D wasn't done as well as it should have been. At least that was the impression that I got from reading it.

I had read in many places that the 3-D in the new Polar Express DVD wasn't done very well either, which is why I skipped on that as well.

If it's done right, I like the 3-D gimmick, and wish more films originally done in 3-D would be released that way on DVD - as long as there's the 2-D copy as well, for when I want to see it with more accurate color tones.
post #33 of 46
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Re: HTF DVD REVIEW: Friday the 13th Part 3 in 3-D

Well, the 3-D worked like gangbusters in the theater. It's just poorly implemented on the DVD as anaglyph 3-D often is. On DVD, you can see what they were going for, but it often just doesn't quite zero in for its full effect.
post #34 of 46

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I had a friend at the house last night, and he's not a F13 fan .. but he read all the 'negative' stuff about the quality of this 3-D from the internet. I had him sit down and he wore the 3-D glasses ... I showed him some of the movie, and he came away impressed, saying "yes, it's fine -- it's not perfect, but it works!". He was able to see depth perception and layers, and the objects pointing out from the screen. He noticed the "ghosting" outine of some people, but this isn't perfect.

And that's the deal. For the moment this is all we have (maybe all we'll ever have?) So if someone's a fan of the series, it makes no sense not to get this -- especially considering it's only $14.99, or less. The movie was meant to be seen in 3-D, even if it's not the best; not to be watched in 2-D.

Of course, I still recommend a bigger wide screen, not a 27" TV, or something.
post #35 of 46

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The 3D worked fine on my 27" screen. Not a patch on how it looked originally---it may have been the best of the 1982-1983 crop of 3D pictures, at least of the ones I saw--but it's an OK memento at a good price.
post #36 of 46

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Originally Posted by Bob Cashill
The 3D worked fine on my 27" screen. Not a patch on how it looked originally---it may have been the best of the 1982-1983 crop of 3D pictures, at least of the ones I saw--but it's an OK memento at a good price.

Sounds about right to me. I remember years ago going mad with my mates and watching all the VHS Elm St videos we had. One hell of a day and so much beer.
post #37 of 46

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After reading the comments here, I finally rented the new 3-D DVD anaglyph (red/cyan) version of Friday III to give it a closer examination. Here's my take on the 3-D aspects: The good, the bad, and the ugly- (And grab your anaglyph 3-D glasses for comparisons! Red lens over the left eye)

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The Good:

What's nice is the original theatrical "2-D notice card" that ran before the Friday Part II 2-D flashback is in the anaglyph version, and is the first time it's ever made it video. The Japanese 3-D VHD released in the late 1980's just stayed in black where the text should have been. This 2-D notice let the audience know the intro "flashback" from Friday Part II was not in true 3-D, but they should keep their 3-D glasses on.

The anaglyph color encoding used on the Paramount 3-D DVD is actually somewhat decent most of the time when viewed under optimal playback conditions. ..When the alignment is correct, the 3-D (for video anaglyph, that is) isn't too bad. But more on the 3-D alignment below.

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The Bad:

It's like someone loaded up the left & right sides and made NO attempt to correct or monitor alignment errors. (More on that in the "ugly" section) Sometimes the misalignment is outright horrible, as can be seem in the jpeg examples below. This is NOT something that should be seen from a major studio such as Paramount. Forgetting what color anaglyph 3-D video can do already, extended viewing of misaligned 3-D video of this degree is sure to cause eye-strain. At a conservative estimate, I would say 25 to 40% of the anaglyph DVD has vertical alignment issues of differing severity.

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The Ugly:

It would be one thing if Paramount simply had "locked and loaded" the original 3-D elements for Friday III and "let her rip", so to speak. But that's not the case. Unlike the VHD 3-D video release made some twenty years ago ..which were known to typically be direct port overs of the original prints, this new anaglyph version of Friday the 13th Part III has far WORSE vertical 3-D misalignment than what was transferred over to VHD in the late 80's. Sometimes misalignment is shifted drastically, other times the convergence is shifted for no logical reasons, etc. ...Sickening.

And the other inexcusable blunder of this release was the studio's decision to present the opening stereoscopic credits (which IMHO are some of the best opening 3-D credits of the 80's wave) in 2-D! Does someone at the studio not know how to encode bright reds in anaglyph 3-D?

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To put up, or shut up:

I make NO claim to fame on being "King 3-D", or anything even close to that effect. Others can argue over the title. With that out of the way, outside of my professional 'daytime job' as a video technician, I have worked on enough 3-D material over the years to easily say some 3-D common sense can go a long, long way.

To that effect, I've allowed myself one evening to select some scenes from the anaglyph DVD and then to make my own anaglyph versions. I also provided a 3-D image from the opening credits, which was not presented in 3-D on the Paramount 3-D DVD. The parallax on these stereoscopic credits is very wide, and pushes the limits of anaglyph encoding. But it IS possible to do. You be the judge:
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In summary:

Paramount could have done a far better job with this. Outside of my given elements at hand, if I had the transfer elements that Paramount used to perform alignments, I could easily do a better job than what was provided on the DVD, and even better than what I have provided here. And there are others out there that could do the same thing I did, if given the chance. Let us hope that Paramount strongly considers these options in the future.


Happy Friday the 13th everyone!



-Greg-
post #38 of 46

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Great comparisons, Greg. I'm shocked at how misaligned the master was!
post #39 of 46

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For the moment this is all we have (maybe all we'll ever have?)

Nope- over 20 years ago in Japan it was put out in field-sequential 3-D on the defunct VHD videodisc format. I have a DVD copy of it and it looks far better than anything using the red/blue glasses. I wish they'd just stop with these bass-ackwards 3-D releases, since they're going to convince most people that 3-D looks like crap so when the advanced systems finally come out they won't bother with them.
post #40 of 46

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Originally Posted by Jesse Skeen
Nope- over 20 years ago in Japan it was put out in field-sequential 3-D on the defunct VHD videodisc format. I have a DVD copy of it and it looks far better than anything using the red/blue glasses. I wish they'd just stop with these bass-ackwards 3-D releases, since they're going to convince most people that 3-D looks like crap so when the advanced systems finally come out they won't bother with them.

They release movies on DVD in the crappy anaglyph format because the 3-D works (badly) with all TV's. The 3-D field sequential method is better but only works with the old tube TV's and the new 120HZ TV's. But field sequential halves the resolution so your eyes are only seeing say 240p on a 480p signal. With the new 3-D systems that will probably be coming out in 2010, for Blu-ray you will have the full 1080p for each eye.
post #41 of 46

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Originally Posted by RolandL
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Originally Posted by Jesse Skeen
over 20 years ago in Japan it was put out in field-sequential 3-D on the defunct VHD videodisc format. I have a DVD copy of it and it looks far better than anything using the red/blue glasses. I wish they'd just stop with these bass-ackwards 3-D releases, since they're going to convince most people that 3-D looks like crap so when the advanced systems finally come out they won't bother with them.
They release movies on DVD in the crappy anaglyph format because the 3-D works (badly) with all TV's.
Thank you both for putting it so succinctly. I agree wholeheartedly with both statements. The most injurious thing distributors can do to stereoscopic films, and to stereoscopic cinema, is release them in anaglyph.

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Originally Posted by RolandL
The 3-D field sequential method is better but only works with the old tube TV's and the new 120HZ TV's. But field sequential halves the resolution so your eyes are only seeing say 240p on a 480p signal.
With the new 3-D systems that will probably be coming out in 2010, for Blu-ray you will have the full 1080p for each eye.
Something to look forward to. Field-sequential has been around for a long time and has delivered a picture quality and 3-D viewing experience that is more than acceptable for the general viewing public. In fact everyone I've shown it to has been knocked out by it, even those who thought they were impressed by anaglyph. When videogames and DVD's became available the industry really dropped the ball in not disseminating 3-D films in the field-sequential format. Consumers would be better acclimated and more receptive to the stereoscopic experience which, after all, is closer to how we actually see with our eyes than 2-d films.
post #42 of 46

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post #43 of 46

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
I thought the "Friday" 3D worked reasonably well, but I agree that the 3D "Stewardesses" is quite effective. The B&W version fares especially well in terms of 3D effects. Totally dreadful movie, of course, though it has a lot of good nudity!

Thanks to this, umm, recommendation, I picked up both "Friday" and "Stewardesses" (as well as "Journey to the Center of the Earth") for my little home theater anaglyph 3-D overdose. It was a lot of fun, actually, and I was really surprised at the quality of the 3D effects in "The Stewardesses". "Friday" looked just OK, but better than the worst reviews here make it out to be, so I wasn't disappointed. And "Journey" blew me away, I never imagined 3-D movie watching at home on regular equipment would look so good.

I actually wish I knew of more 3-D titles to check out. The novelty was far more fun than the films themselves, but that's OK. (I thought about grabbing the "Hannah Montana" disc just for the 3-D, but in the end I just don't think I'd actually enjoy the music, so probably not watching...then again, I don't know, maybe the 3D spectacle makes up for that.)
post #44 of 46

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Originally Posted by Josh Steinberg
Thanks to this, umm, recommendation, I picked up both "Friday" and "Stewardesses" (as well as "Journey to the Center of the Earth") for my little home theater anaglyph 3-D overdose. It was a lot of fun, actually, and I was really surprised at the quality of the 3D effects in "The Stewardesses". "Friday" looked just OK, but better than the worst reviews here make it out to be, so I wasn't disappointed. And "Journey" blew me away, I never imagined 3-D movie watching at home on regular equipment would look so good.

I actually wish I knew of more 3-D titles to check out. The novelty was far more fun than the films themselves, but that's OK. (I thought about grabbing the "Hannah Montana" disc just for the 3-D, but in the end I just don't think I'd actually enjoy the music, so probably not watching...then again, I don't know, maybe the 3D spectacle makes up for that.)

Not really - there's not a lot of "3D spectacle" in Hannah Montana. It's actually fairly enjoyable, though; HM/Miley Cyrus offers surprisingly listenable teen pop. Not saying it's great stuff, but decent.

Here's my review:

Hannah Montana & Miley Cyrus: The Best Of Both Worlds Concert (2007)

And my thoughts about some other 3D DVDs:

The Stewardesses 3D: 40th Anniversay Edition (1969)
Friday The 13th, Part 3: Deluxe Edition (1982)
Jounrey To The Center Of The Earth (2008)
post #45 of 46

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
Not really - there's not a lot of "3D spectacle" in Hannah Montana. It's actually fairly enjoyable, though; HM/Miley Cyrus offers surprisingly listenable teen pop. Not saying it's great stuff, but decent.

I actually just looked up your review before I popped back over here to check the thread -- guess I beat you to the punch. Yeah, I'll probably pass on Miley...I'd watch it once, tops, and I don't think it's worth it for me. If I had someone to give it away to afterwards, it would be another story.

I know the general consensus is that anaglyph sucks, and I'll admit it isn't exactly breathtaking, but while other 3-D technologies for home use are still being worked on or haven't been widely adopted, I'd definitely enjoy seeing a few more 3-D titles.
post #46 of 46

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I'll throw in my two cents...

I saw Friday the 13th Pt. 3 in 3-D in the theater back on opening day (8/13/82). I remember it looking amazing. Although the anaglyph DVD doesn't stack up to the theatrical experience, after having watched the new DVD, it is my opinion that it is still worth picking up. Could it look better? Yeah. But given the choice of watching this film in 2-D versus 3-D, I'll take 3-D. The film itself is pratically unwatchable and horribly bad... the 3-D is the only reason to labor through it. Since Paramount has finally answered the cries of F13 fans for the last 25+ years to release this 3-D, I think it's worth supporting their effort and worth the double dip, despite my slight disapointment regarding the quality of the anaglyph presentation.

I viewed Friday the 13th Pt. 3 in 3-D using my Sony BDP-S350 Blu-Ray / DVD player and my Sanyo PLV-1080 HD projector (HDMI v. 1.3b, 1080p, full 1920 x 1080 resolution, 10,000:1 contrast) on my 120" Da-Lite Home Theater Screen, with the standard DVD being kicked up to 1080P. My home theater is a completely darkened room. It looked okay. When I checked out the DVD on my Sharp Aquous 52" 1080P HD TV, it did not look nearly as good.

Get the DVD... Watch it in a darkened room on the biggest screen possible.
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