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Originally Posted by Radioman970
I've been revisiting UFO, the Anderson live action series that followed Thunderbirds, etc. The effects were really amazing seeing as it was 1969. It's a shame the makers of Logan's Run didn't get them to do it. Same goes for Silent Running.

Trumbull didn't need any help.

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post #32 of 116

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Why do people think Westworld isn't worthy to be on BR? Don't be stupid--it's a well-loved catalog title and it's been on home video for ages. A BR release is a no-brainer.

Logan's Run needs a little clean-up if it comes out on BR. They also need to release some deleted scenes one of these fine days. There was at least one blooper/prank that Jenny Agutter showed on a talk show in the 70s. In it, Logan was examining some unfamiliar berries while on the road. He's about to taste them when Jessica says, "Wait, Logan..." he lowers the berries, she pulls a can of whipped cream out of nowhere and tops them off. Michael York starts laughing and is about to cream her as we fade out. Anyone else remember that prank clip? I'd love to see it on the BR.

There are also many, many deleted scenes that I've never seen. There's another runner chase that was supposed to open the movie, right before the nursery scene. There was supposedly way more nudity in the first edit; in the Sex Shop and later in Box's cave.

Some of the deleted scenes were actually illustrated in the Marvel comic book (which used the original screenplay as its basis--not the final cut of the movie). It would also be cool to include the comic book in the dvd extras, the same way as Southland Tales did--wonder if this could happen??
post #33 of 116

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For what it's worth, either HDNET MOVIES or MGMHD has shown WESTWORLD in HD, so a HD transfer has already been done. It looked and sounded pretty good, too. Too bad Michael Crichton is no longer with us, as I always wanted to hear more of his audio commentaries.

Definitely... but strangely, in 1998 when the first WESTWORLD disc was announced for MGM, the advertisements boasted "With Audio Commentary by Michael Crichton" ... but it was never released that way. I wonder if there's any chance that Crichton did one but it wasn't used?
post #34 of 116

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Originally Posted by Radioman970
I've been revisiting UFO, the Anderson live action series that followed Thunderbirds, etc. The effects were really amazing seeing as it was 1969. It's a shame the makers of Logan's Run didn't get them to do it. Same goes for Silent Running.

Derek Meddings and company were probably too busy on the Bond films at the time.
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There was a deluxe laserdisc of Logan's Run that had many extras not ported over to the SD release. I hope they could be found as well.

Yes, I hope they include these as I never collected LDs. I've never seen them, can anyone tell me what they are?

Ethan, I remember that blooper clip with the whipped cream! I haven't seen it since it originally aired back in the '70s. I've never seen any other bloopers or out-takes for this movie whatsoever. I'm not usually big on 'extras', generally being satisfied with a good audio/video presentation. In this case I want everything available. Kitchen sink please!

I'll also buy BDs of Westworld and Soylent Green when they are released on Blu. Love 'em both. For now I'm just happy to know Logan's Run is finally coming out in a new edition with presumeably a new transfer, and it'll be on Blu to boot. I didn't think this movie would be out on BD for quite awhile since Warners owns it now. Yet here it comes. Let's hope Westworld and Soylent Green aren't far behind.
post #36 of 116

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I don't see why this is necessary since Soylent arrived on DVD a few years back, and The Omega Man *was* released on BD.

Like I said Omega Man was released to tie in on I Am Legend, it even came with a movie coupon for IAL inside of it. I highly doubt it would've been released on BD if there was no recent remake.

I'm just not so hopeful that we're going to get the depth and breadth of catalog titles on BD that we saw on DVD without some new hit movie for the studio to tie it to. DVD had the benefit of a booming economy as it grew and matured, BD won't.

I wish it were otherwise as there's hundreds of these types of genre films I'd love to upgrade to BD but.........
post #37 of 116

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Originally Posted by Jeff Robertson
Trumbull didn't need any help.
The whole crew definitely gave the film an excellent look and sound, the sets were marvelous! But I felt the ships looked too much like plastic models.

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Derek Meddings and company were probably too busy on the Bond films at the time.
Was just reading the wiki, they worked on Superman too. Very impressive work. Logan's Run would have been better, effectswize, with their work.
post #38 of 116

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Originally Posted by Ethan Riley
....They also need to release some deleted scenes one of these fine days. There was at least one blooper/prank that Jenny Agutter showed on a talk show in the 70s. In it, Logan was examining some unfamiliar berries while on the road. He's about to taste them when Jessica says, "Wait, Logan..." he lowers the berries, she pulls a can of whipped cream out of nowhere and tops them off. Michael York starts laughing and is about to cream her as we fade out. Anyone else remember that prank clip? I'd love to see it on the BR.....
This is the coolest thing I've read today. I agree...lets have it! Sounds hilarious! Agutter was one awesome lady. Whoever "got" her was one lucky SOB!
post #39 of 116

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Jenny Agutter in hi-def. No other justification for getting Logan's Run on BD is necessary, is it?

(There is noooo Sanctuary)
post #40 of 116

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Jenny Agutter in hi-def. No other justification for getting Logan's Run on BD is necessary, is it?
I already see plenty of her (including naked) in another high def movie I have.
post #41 of 116

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She's way too young in The Walkabout. I go through great pains in my many "attempts" to avert my eyes and stuff. Many attempts. Many. And one day I'll be successful. On that same day I'll be too busy sippin soup!!
post #42 of 116
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Can anyone tell me what extras the laser had?

Robert, what film are you refering to? I thought Walkabout was coming later this year on BD from Criterion?
post #43 of 116

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While I think the current DVD of LR is acceptable (the best I've ever seen it), a HD version would find its way into my collection. The only unfortunate thing is that those much rumored outtakes are unlikely to be included.

The effects are what I like about a lot of these older films. Back then it was about using one's imagination to build something to capture on film, not just programming in the computer. So what if they look cheesy, that is their charm. And please do not remix the directional sound, that again was part of the film that should be preserved.
post #44 of 116

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The LD extras are listed here.
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/7926/ML106353/Logan's-Run:-Special-Edition-(1976)

I remember a really cool LR fan's website that actually had audio from the cut scenes. Seems that someone snuck a tape recorder into a preview screening!
post #45 of 116

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Originally Posted by Jeff Ulmer
While I think the current DVD of LR is acceptable (the best I've ever seen it), a HD version would find its way into my collection. The only unfortunate thing is that those much rumored outtakes are unlikely to be included.

Why wouldn't they be? Btw, I looked at the link to the LD page for Logan; it says the LD had deleted scenes but didn't list what the scenes actually were. Anyone know?

I checked imdb looking for that old special in which I stated above that Jenny appeared along with that blooper clip. It was a special that simply featured outtakes and bloopers from popular movies of the day. I can't figure out what the special was named--it's not on Jenny's imdb page, though. I can't remember who hosted it or when it aired (probably circa 1979). I DO recall that it also had a blooper from the Godfather. That special is probably solid gold if we could figure out what it was...
post #46 of 116

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Robert, what film are you refering to? I thought Walkabout was coming later this year on BD from Criterion?
American Werewolf in London.
post #47 of 116

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I'm stoked about Logan's Run coming to blu-ray. Many would love to have the series come out in DVD at least.

It would be great to have WestWorld (and the sequel Futureworld) and Soylent Green as well on Blu-Ray.

For me, the only basis for being happy when they remake these old Science Fiction is that it will spawn a current DVD (and now) Blu Ray.

I really enjoy seeing effects as they were as well. I don't mind (sometimes even enjoy) state of the art CGI effects but sometimes I appreaciate stuff even more when I can see what went into it.

In other words, picking out the matte paintings, models, blue screen and other assorted techniques they used to make effects is more then than "Oh, it's CGI"

About movies like Logan's Run and Damnation Alley (isn't that supposed to at least come out on DVD Someday?) you would have criticism of the effects even back then in Sci-Fi Magazines such as Cinemafantastique.

They would surmise that directors would use effects people to fix what they try to do practically but failed (like the collapse of the ice cave in Logan's Run). And when effects are approached that way, instead of through good planning, they don't look so hot.
post #48 of 116

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Actually, it seems like the special effects batting average is the same as it ever was. Some good shots and some bad ones. Whether it's Logan's Run or Indiana Jones 4.
post #49 of 116

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Actually, it seems like the special effects batting average is the same as it ever was. Some good shots and some bad ones. Whether it's Logan's Run or Indiana Jones 4.


Exactly. What's more dated? An obvious model shot in LR or an obvious CGI car chase scene in Indy IV...?

There are some wonderful on set practical FX like the people floating up in Carousel, all done with wires and harnesses. Gives it depth and realness. Now it would be over the top CGI and would probably look less believable.
post #50 of 116

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Originally Posted by Radioman970
She's way too young in The Walkabout. I go through great pains in my many "attempts" to avert my eyes and stuff. Many attempts. Many. And one day I'll be successful. On that same day I'll be too busy sippin soup!!

She was born in 1952, so was 18 during filming. Nothing at all wrong with looking at her.
post #51 of 116

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She was born in 1952, so was 18 during filming. Nothing at all wrong with looking at her.
I thought she was 16? And agreed to be in the movie because she thought she was going to meet the Beatles? On the commentary it mentioned that. But still...18 is pretty young. But like you said...don't hurt to uhhhh...look!

And that's a brilliant film. And not just because the camera is up her skirt during most scenes. haha!
post #52 of 116

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Note to self:

Take home WALKABOUT from the library.

Seriously, though (wait, I was serious), I adore LOGAN'S RUN. Yes, it's firmly rooted in 1970's sensibilities, but I don't see that as a bad thing. I love movies that are products of their time. It's a perfect representation of what people in the 1970's saw as "the future". Look at the later APES films or the aforementioned OMEGA MAN and WESTWORLD. They all fall into this category. The fact that they're fun movies just means that the 70's Future Kitsch is icing on the cake. I'd buy a decent HD transfer of LOGAN'S RUN in a heartbeat.
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Btw, I looked at the link to the LD page for Logan; it says the LD had deleted scenes but didn't list what the scenes actually were. Anyone know?

There weren't actually any deleted scenes on the LD. Some scenes were described using text, stills and script excerpts. I think the scenes described were the original opening (Francis stalking a runner--bits of this are seen in the theatrical trailer), a conversation with a woman on Lastday while they are in line for Carousel, the Box sculpting scene, and at least one other that I can't remember.
post #54 of 116
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Thanks Steven. I thought I had read somewhere over the years that no deleted scenes or extra footage existed anymore, that the studio destroyed them maybe? They didn't keep all that stuff back in those days, too expensive. In any case that would certainly account for the lack of them on the current DVD or LD set.

I would love to see the blooper Ethan mentioned again, I believe it was on the Rona Barrett show. It aired in either late '76 or early '77. Can't find it on YouTube. Hopefully this BD will have everything they can find, and if that means the same stuff as the DVD (in HD please!), so be it. I'll just have to 'settle' for the higher quality presentation which is after all what it's all about.

A question re audio for LR: The DVD has English 5.1 surround and a French mono track. Is the original soundtrack stereo or mono? Does 'directional' mean mono? I thought Star Wars was the first film to use a stereo soundtrack.
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No. Star Wars was the first film where there was widespread availability of Dolby Theatre systems. Technically, the first Dolby-encoded film was Ken Russell's Lisztomania, although that only used a L-C-R channel configuration. Dolby itself was made inroads in film sound in the early 70s with Dolby A noise reduction being employed on films including A Clockwork Orange.
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A question re audio for LR: The DVD has English 5.1 surround and a French mono track. Is the original soundtrack stereo or mono? Does 'directional' mean mono? I thought Star Wars was the first film to use a stereo soundtrack.
Not even remotely close. There were plenty of films with multiple channels (including left-right-center-surround) in the 50s and 60s. Check out the widescreen epics made in that era.
post #57 of 116

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Logan's Run had four discrete channels (L/C/R/S) for selected venues.

The term "directional" in the use of this thread refers to the practice of what is typically called "directional dialog". This is when on and off screen dialog is placed (in stereo) where they would be located on or off screen. For example, if an actor is at the far left side of the screen, his dialog would emanate primarily from the left speaker. Sometimes features that employ directional dialog can vary in it's given aggressiveness or consistency, but this is still the general idea. Like letterboxing, directional dialog can seem a bit odd at first when viewed on smaller screens. But when the screen size or speaker configurations more closely mimic that of a theater's, these type of presentations can be very effective. This practice was popular in the 1950's with the dawn of widescreen, notably with Fox and Todd-AO. But by the late 1970's, the practice was near it's end. Some animated features still use it (the original mixes of A Bugs Life and the 2nd Toy Story, for example use a mild form of directional mixing) and is still popular with "off-screen" dialog.
post #58 of 116

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That's too bad because I enjoy it when dialog is directional to the place the person is on screen.


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Originally Posted by GregK
Logan's Run had four discrete channels (L/C/R/S) for selected venues.

The term "directional" in the use of this thread refers to the practice of what is typically called "directional dialog". This is when on and off screen dialog is placed (in stereo) where they would be located on or off screen. For example, if an actor is at the far left side of the screen, his dialog would emanate primarily from the left speaker. Sometimes features that employ directional dialog can vary in it's given aggressiveness or consistency, but this is still the general idea. Like letterboxing, directional dialog can seem a bit odd at first when viewed on smaller screens. But when the screen size or speaker configurations more closely mimic that of a theater's, these type of presentations can be very effective. This practice was popular in the 1950's with the dawn of widescreen, notably with Fox and Todd-AO. But by the late 1970's, the practice was near it's end. Some animated features still use it (the original mixes of A Bugs Life and the 2nd Toy Story, for example use a mild form of directional mixing) and is still popular with "off-screen" dialog.
post #59 of 116
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Okay, that helps guys, thanks. I was aware of the early large-format epics and musicals that featured multi-channel sound. I didn't realize so many "regular" movies also got in on the multi-channel action pre-1975.

I figured directional is what it means, and there are a few scenes in LR (Todd-AO) that spring to mind where the effect is readily apparent. When Jessica first arrives at Logan's apartment there's a wide pull-back shot of them walking up the steps on opposite sides of the room. The dialogue pans hard left and right, it's very effective.
post #60 of 116

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One wonders, though, if the deleted scenes are just waiting to be discovered in the salt mine. It's possible they're there and no one's ever bothered to look. That's pretty much how the longer (silent) print of Night of Dark Shadows was discovered.
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