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post #61 of 93

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino
I'd wouldn't consider shows like... Family Guy... to be examples of the cliches that they themselves are spoofing.
I know what you mean but I think that Family Guy isn't a spoof as much as it just uses cliched sitcom plots. They take that plot, add their own spin (which usually a gay joke or 1980's pop culture reference) and then Seth MacFarlane laughs all the way to the bank.
post #62 of 93

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Lazy writing used in order to point out lazy writing is still lazy writing.
post #63 of 93

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Every sitcom has to use some sort of cliche in order to speed up the plot. That's the problem with the Simpsons; they have to use these cliches and since they've been on so long, I think the writters are fearing that the fans are going to call it "lazy writting", so they feel the need to point it out the "time savers". It doesn't usually bother me beacuse I know why they are doing it.

Like when the Motherloving Sugar Company's headquarters were right down the street and Marge says "How convenient"

or when a big event is sweeping the country and the tour dates are Chicago, New York, LA, and Springfield.

or (for dramatic effect) Marge always sees a different building outside her window.

or when Homer is going through some crazy scheme (or new career) and everyone always asks if Homer even HAS a job at the Nuclear Plant anymore.



But one of the most annoying sitcom cliche's to me is when person A is talking to person B and saying something that they really shouldn't be saying, but don't know that what they're saying is going to anger person B. - Then you have person C, who knows that what person A is saying will upset person B, but instead of aggressively trying to stop person A from speaking, they just do lame things like wave their hands in the air and cringe like there's nothing they can do to stop it.
post #64 of 93

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Unnatural dinner table seating arrangements due to studio audiences (particularly All in the Family, where they're always situated in a half-circle...

I don't know how I forgot to mention this, something I've been noticing for years. Virtually every show where there is a dinner table scene, it looks like a table full of players awaiting the blackjack dealer.

Edit: More of a device than a cliche, though.

Jon
post #65 of 93

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^^ Yeah, I don't know if it was mentioned here or not, but I've always laughed at the placement of the couch in a sitcom. In real life, the couch always goes up against the wall, but in every sitcom, it's in the middle of the living room and almost never against a wall.

I understand why they do it, but it's amazing how it's always done that way even though it has nothing to do with the real world placement of a couch.
post #66 of 93

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Another one that's always bugged me, both in movies and on TV, is when one character calls another one and says to the effect, "something important has happened, but I don't have time to talk about it now," or "I don't want to talk about it on the phone." It's either a ploy to artificially induce suspense or something is going to happen to the first character before getting a chance to talk. It's as much of a setup as going into the haunted house or parking on that deserted road.
post #67 of 93

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Originally Posted by Steve Armbrust
Another one that's always bugged me, both in movies and on TV, is when one character calls another one and says to the effect, "something important has happened, but I don't have time to talk about it now," or "I don't want to talk about it on the phone." It's either a ploy to artificially induce suspense or something is going to happen to the first character before getting a chance to talk. It's as much of a setup as going into the haunted house or parking on that deserted road.

Along those same lines:

The "I've got such dramatic news to tell you, that I'll look the other way".

First character tells the other one "I have to tell you something". She then turns around and faces the camera, so her back is facing her man, looks down at the floor, and says "I'm having an affair".

The person hearing this horrible news is staring at her back!
post #68 of 93
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Originally Posted by MarkHastings
^^ Yeah, I don't know if it was mentioned here or not, but I've always laughed at the placement of the couch in a sitcom. In real life, the couch always goes up against the wall, but in every sitcom, it's in the middle of the living room and almost never against a wall.

I understand why they do it, but it's amazing how it's always done that way even though it has nothing to do with the real world placement of a couch.

You guys need to get out more. Couches don't "always" go up against the wall, and the arrangment shown in sitcoms is actually common. My sister has two large sectional sofas, one in the living room, one in the family room. One "leg" of the family room sofa is against the wall, the other is "in the middle of the room. In the living room, neither leg of the L is against a wall. My couch is against the wall in my current condo, but in my last place it was free-standing, one of the elements that divided the dining room from the living room in the open-plan space. Behind the sofa was a sofa table - a piece of furniture specifically designed to sit behind a free-standing couch and dress up the usually somewhat blank back of the piece. If free-standing sofas weren't common, no one would have invented the sofa table.

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Another one that's always bugged me, both in movies and on TV, is when one character calls another one and says to the effect, "something important has happened, but I don't have time to talk about it now," or "I don't want to talk about it on the phone."

Have you never needed to tell someone something that you couldn't tell them on the phone from where you were (the office, someone else's house) or that was too delicate to handle by phone. ("I think we should see other people." "You cat I've been watching? Dead.") Again, I'm less inclined to gig them on stuff that isn't terribly unusual in real life.

Regards,

Joe
post #69 of 93
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And, right on schedule, the producers of House manage to have a regular character almost die and go temporarily blind in the same episode.

Regards,

Joe
post #70 of 93

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino
Couches don't "always" go up against the wall, and the arrangment shown in sitcoms is actually common.
Maybe homes are different where you live, but where I live (where most homes don't have wide open layouts) everyone seems to place them against the wall because there isn't enough room to put them in the middle of the living room.

Which is yet another sitcom cliche. The rooms are always WAY too big.
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Behind the sofa was a sofa table - a piece of furniture specifically designed to sit behind a free-standing couch and dress up the usually somewhat blank back of the piece.
Yeah, my parents and grandparents both had sofa tables, but they always kept it against the wall (nowhere near the couch) because there wasn't enough room to put the couch in the middle of the room so that the sofa table could go behind it.
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If free-standing sofas weren't common, no one would have invented the sofa table.
Yes, but if sofa tables are so common, how come you don't see them anymore, except in antique shops?

Actually, the idea of the sofa table being behind the couch is an 18th century practice which hasn't exactly been used since the invention of modern heat:
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The hearth or fireplace was often the center and focus of a common room. Chairs and sofas were typically located very near the hearth. The purpose of course was to take advantage of the warmth of the fire and the light created. Contrary to what most of us do today, the sofa or settee was not placed up against a wall. Instead, the sofa piece was located in the center of the room or near the hearth.
Since most sitcoms don't take place in the 1700's, the most common placement of the couch should be against the wall.
post #71 of 93

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I may have missed it but how about
no one ever eats chinese food with knives or spoons, always chop sticks.
post #72 of 93
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Yes, but if sofa tables are so common, how come you don't see them anymore, except in antique shops?

Actually, the idea of the sofa table being behind the couch is an 18th century practice which hasn't exactly been used since the invention of modern heat

Antique shops? Not used since the invention of modern heat? Really they do exist. I've seen them. You might want to consider that your own personal experience does not encompass all of reality. Antique shops? I can take you to a dozen new furniture showrooms within ten miles of my house that all stock sofa tables as a matter of course.

And yes, rooms on TV (and apartments) are too large. Almost no character in the history of television could afford the apartment he or she is shown occupying, at least those living in New York or Los Angeles. I'm willing to cut the producers a little more slack on room size because the reality is you have to move bulky cameras to various positions inside all those rooms to cover all the angles. David Gerrold pointed out years ago how absurdly big the compartments and the corridors on Star Trek's Enterprise were, given the need maintain life support in all those areas. The answer was the same - they needed the room for the cameras.

(And speaking of things that are too big: can we have a 20 year moritorium on action heroes and/or lost sitcom characters crawing through air condititioning ducts that are bigger than my master bathroom? Just once I'd like to see somebody take the grate off an ac duct in the teaser, try to get into it and get jammed in at the shoulders and stay that way until the tag. )

Regards,

Joe
post #73 of 93

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(And speaking of things that are too big: can we have a 20 year moritorium on action heroes and/or lost sitcom characters crawing through air condititioning ducts that are bigger than my master bathroom?

Say No! to the Jeffries tubes!
post #74 of 93

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino
Antique shops? Not used since the invention of modern heat? Really they do exist. I've seen them. You might want to consider that your own personal experience does not encompass all of reality.
Oh wait! You must live in Florida, right? where the homes are more spread out and have more of an open floor plan to allow couch placement in the middle of the room. Granted I haven't been all over the country, but I think you too are considering your own personal experiences as reality.

I'd love to take a poll and see what the majority of couch placement would be (wall or middle of room).
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Antique shops? I can take you to a dozen new furniture showrooms within ten miles of my house that all stock sofa tables as a matter of course.
Yeah, I forgot to add the smiley. It was a joke. I know they exist, but they aren't used as what they are intended (at least not anywhere close to where I live) - Around here, they're used as regular tables that go up against the wall (nowhere near the couch).

The reason is, around here, homes aren't built "outward", they're built "Upward" so there aren't a whole lot of large rooms in anyone's home. Most people have long hallways and narrow passages, so they like the Sofa Tables because it's the only table that can be used and still allow people to get by without having to either climb over them or whack their shins.

...also, in New England, you find a a lot OLD homes. These old homes tend to have many small rooms....lots of walls. A lot of homes I have been to have Sofa Tables, but we never refer to them as Sofa Tables because they are no longer being used as they were intended. They have basically become the modern coffee table (that's been place up against the wall)...kinda of like many of the photos in the link you provided.


So I appologize if I didn't take other areas of the country into consideration, but with ALL of the couches in the middle of the room in sitcoms, how come none of them have sofa tables behind them?
post #75 of 93

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino

Have you never needed to tell someone something that you couldn't tell them on the phone from where you were (the office, someone else's house) or that was too delicate to handle by phone. ("I think we should see other people." "You cat I've been watching? Dead.") Again, I'm less inclined to gig them on stuff that isn't terribly unusual in real life.

Regards,

Joe
If only that were the case in these shows. Usually, however, there's some huge crisis that needs to be conveyed immediately and the idiot on the phone says he/she doesn't have time to talk.
post #76 of 93

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Characters who conveniently enter the house in the same room that the other characters happen to be at that moment.

Someone talks on the phone for 10 seconds and relays a minute's worth of info to the other characters.
post #77 of 93

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Originally Posted by MarkHastings
I'd love to take a poll and see what the majority of couch placement would be (wall or middle of room).

My couch is placed in the middle of the room. There is plenty of space to walk behind it. Our living room is really big, so if I placed the couch on the opposite wall of the television, it would be too far away. Oh yeha and we do not have a sofa table or a coffee table.


The only show I can think of where I have seen a couch placed on the wall, was a scene in Seinfeld where George is at one of his girlfriends home and they are sitting on a couch up against a wall. I think I even recall elaine talking on the phone with who she thought was her girlfriend, but it turned out to be her girlfriends husband and he was sitting on a couch against a wall. Probably the same apartment used for random scenes in Seinfeld.
post #78 of 93

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Originally Posted by Lucia Duran

The only show I can think of where I have seen a couch placed on the wall, was a scene in Seinfeld where George is at one of his girlfriends home and they are sitting on a couch up against a wall. I think I even recall elaine talking on the phone with who she thought was her girlfriend, but it turned out to be her girlfriends husband and he was sitting on a couch against a wall. Probably the same apartment used for random scenes in Seinfeld.

The Simpsons' couch is placed against the wall.

The Griffon's couch is in the middle of the room.
post #79 of 93

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Ha!

Twitch City | DVD | A.V. Club

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Key features: A couple of McKellar commentary tracks, where he explains that one of the inspirations for Twitch City was his desire to do a sitcom with "a couch against the wall," instead of in the middle of a living room.
post #80 of 93

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^^ LOL, that's awesome. I'm glad someone else feels my pain.
post #81 of 93

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Okay this topic of couch placement is driving me insane! I've been sitting here thinking about all the shows I've watched trying to come up with one, just one where the couch is against a wall! I think I have found it....... drum roll please.......


THE BRADY BUNCH! Granted it was a half wall, but it was still a wall!
post #82 of 93

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They also had a couch in the middle of the room, so it cancels the other one out.
post #83 of 93

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Originally Posted by TonyD
I may have missed it but how about
no one ever eats chinese food with knives or spoons, always chop sticks.

Errmmm... us Chinese? Edit: I realise I mis-read Tony's comment: he meant it's a cliche that everyone eats Chinese food with chopsticks. So it is a cliche, since us Chinese sometimes eat "our" food with fork & spoon. It depends on the dishes being served, e.g. noodles are always eaten with chopsticks, and also whether the food is served on a plate, or in a bowl. If it's rice-based dishes on a plate, then we'd usually use fork/spoon -- just try picking up rice from a plate with chopsticks.

If anything, I was rather bemused once when I saw two tourists at a local food court using chopsticks (reasonably well, I should add) to eat their meal of rice with side-dishes, when most locals would have used fork & spoon.

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Originally Posted by Lucia Duran
My couch is placed in the middle of the room. There is plenty of space to walk behind it. Our living room is really big, so if I placed the couch on the opposite wall of the television, it would be too far away. Oh yeha and we do not have a sofa table or a coffee table.

Likewise. Our living room is a relatively long rectangle, with the TV at one end, so the sofa sort of splits the room in half, with the dining table placed behind the sofa in the dining area. (Most apartments here have a combo living-dining area, although it's more common to have a large "L" shape so the two areas are somewhat distinct, rather than one large rectangular area.) It also means that when I'm sitting at the dining table, I can still watch TV quite easily (since it's a 50")...
post #84 of 93

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Some of these are not so much clichés as logistical production limitations

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Originally Posted by Lucia Duran
THE BRADY BUNCH! Granted it was a half wall, but it was still a wall!

They didn't have a studio audience. Speaking of the Bunch, is anyone fooled by that sliding glass door with no glass in it?
post #85 of 93

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One character lends another money, "to pay the rent" but then the next day the borrower has purchased a fur coat, leading to the lender complaining about using 'their' money incorrectly.

I was reminded of this cliche by Monday's Big Bang Theory which pulled a fast one on us by flipping it to Sheldon not caring about what she did with the money and Penny feeling like she was forced to explain that her purchases had been ordered online months ago. (truth value uncertain)
post #86 of 93

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My sofa is up against the wall.
post #87 of 93
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Here's two more, inspired by recent TV-viewing:

1) You could call this one "Kidnapped!" or "Lost". As in "Vanishing Act" the lead or another regular is separated from the rest of the group for most of the episode by a car/plane crash, or being kidnapped (and often left alone or with only one guard in an isolated area.) But unlike in the "Vanishing Act" cliche, where we never see the missing character until the end of the episode, in "Kidnapped/Lost" we follow two threads: The team's efforts to find the missing member, and the victim's efforts to escape or reach safety.

2) "The Haunting" or perhaps "The Trip". In this cliche the affected character is often isolated for one reason or another (which is why it is often combined with "Kidnapped/Lost", above.) He/She is sick, injured or drugged and must get help. Despite being alone, the character gets help in this endeavor from a hallucination. The imaginary character is often the ghost of a dead friend or loved one, but is sometimes a living person from the character's past who appears as he/she was last seen. (So a grade school playmate will appear as a child, an ex-girlfriend from college as a 20 year old.) In rare cases the imaginary friend will ge genuinely ficticious - a character from a favorite book or movie, or a classic "imaginary friend" from childhood. The imaginary friend not only helps the character escape from peril, it also imparts some life lesson. In the case of ghosts, the writers will usually have something happens that suggests the ghost might have been real - but without coming right out and saying so. (Exceptions: Shows that explicitly embrace the supernatural and Christmas episodes where the imaginary helper is Santa or an elf. )

There is a variant on "The Haunting" that only applies to characters who are unconcious, even comatose. They have to escape back into conciousness itself, ratherr than from physical peril, and often spend the episode in an imaginary dreamspace where they encounter both the living and the dead, and, again, learn important life lessons. They may have one dream guide or several. This is another situation which some writers like to make ambiguou, by having the character wake up clutching some small object that was received in the dream.

This week Bones combined "Kdnapped" and "The Haunting" by having agent Booth drugged and kidnapped, and then being helped out of his jam by his former sniper team scout, who died in Booth's arms decades ago. Oddly, they made it pretty clear that the ghost was real, both because he helped Booth do things that one man couldn't have done, and because he interacts briedly with Bones herself in the tag.

Regards,

Joe
post #88 of 93

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I was just watching a rerun of My Name is Earl and it reminded me of a cliche that always annoyed me.

It always bugged me when someone takes an old rusted out vehicle (i.e. a car, a motorcycle, or a boat), puts some elbow grease into fixing it up and it ends up looking amazing. For some reason, without buying all brand new parts, they manage to get the vehicle looking as if it were brand new again.

I'm always amazed at how they get the chrome to go from completely rusted out to looking spotless...or how they get the paint job to look like it just came off the showroom floor.
post #89 of 93

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A recently emerging cliche in many action-adventure or cop shows:

Episode starts with climactic scene in which a major ongoing character is in extreme physical jeopardy or being arrested, said snippet lasting typically 30 seconds or so, then the words "(fill in relatively short time period here) earlier!" are superimposed on the screen and the episode starts all over again, the circumstances leading to the openning scene are built up until the scene replays shortly before the inevitable happy ending.

These don't even need to be written this way originally, just edited from a normal linear story line. It's logical to want to hook the audience in the first few seconds but this is getting to be an annoyingly common trick.
post #90 of 93

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Originally Posted by Karl Pozorski
The travel show:

The Simpsons are going to ...(fill in the blank).

The Bradys go to Hawaii and King's Island.

After Disney bought ABC in the 90's, nearly every sitcom went to Disney World.(Family Maters, Full House, Rosanne)

Another sitcom standard pioneered by I Love Lucy. Ricky got a deal to appear in a Hollywood movie and an entire season was devoted to the trip to Hollywood--starting with the decision to drive instead of take the train or plane, the buying of a car for the trip (a new Pontiac-pioneering product placement) their stay in Hollywood with Lucy's constant celebrity-mania providing ample opportunity for big-name guest stars from Charles Boyer to William Holden.
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