Caprica - Page 2

Yeah, in the DVD pilot, there was copious amounts of nudity--girl-on-girl action, implied sex acts showing just enough to be safe, et cetera.

Anyway, glad to hear it's a full-season order right away, as I have been hotly anticipating this one since seeing the pilot back in early 2009.

Tonight is the premiere of Caprica. I believe tonight's two-hour special is the same (edited, of course) as what was on the DVD released last year. Next week should be the first all-new episode that picks up where the pilot ends.

I can't wait.  I'll be re-watching the DVD, however, as I can't stand to watch censored episodes, when the un-censored version is onhand.

By your command.

NYT review: http://tv.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/arts/television/22caprica.html?_r=1&ref=arts

Wow, that article demonstrates pretty quickly that the writer either didn't watch BSG, or didn't understand the sound and flickering images on his TV.  Hell, even the title is ignorant of the show.

Also, I think we're all in agreement that we shouldn't worry about BSG spoilers in this thread?  If you are watching Caprica, but haven't seen BSG in its entirety, why would you be here?  I don't want this thread to be a mess of spoiler text upon spoiler text.

I'm going to wait to watch BSG until Caprica finishes up so I can watch them all in chronological order. I assume that the creation of the Cylons works out fine for humanity.

:)

interesting way to attempt to watch caprica.  i wonder if by watching it this way you will spoil bsg for yourself.  much of the mystery of bsg happened around what was going on with the cylons.

i will keep this in mind as i watch caprica.

I'm sure Travis' post was in jest, as he posted quite a bit in the BSG threads.

I've seen all of BSG, I was just kidding around.

Now that Diallo brings it up though, I wonder how much crossover there will be between the two shows. Setting them 55 or 60 years apart makes it seem like they can't really get into too much from the other series.

For the record, I'm pretty strict on not talking about other shows but I have no plans on using spoiler text for BSG spoilers in this thread.

My guess is that most of the crossover will be through showing us evidence of things that were merely referenced in BSG (or at the very most showed only briefly).  Things like the Aerilon as the bread basket, Gemenon as the hyper-religious planet, Picon for its strip clubs :)  Of course the show focuses on Caprica (duh), but I can see a few arcs focussing on how the Capricans exploit their fellow colonists, and even perhaps early rumblings of a unified government (which of course doesn't happen until the First Cylon War).

Also, I would expect Bear McCreary to have some references to BSG in his scoring of Caprica.

The guideslines on spoilers are:

1) If it hasn't aired, don't discuss it. This deals with spoilers read elsewhere as well as previews for future episodes.
2) Don't discuss plot points of other TV shows so as not to spoil people who haven't yet seen those shows.

Both, of course, can be addressed by using spoiler tags.

Caprica is related to BSG, but is not BSG. There shouldn't be the slightest requirement that someone has watched all of BSG first in order to participate in this thread. As consideration for other members of the forum, can't you guys at least TRY to adhere to the spirit of the spoiler guidelines before declaring you're not going to?

I'm sure we're all aware of the guidelines.  For the record, I never said anyone *would* just blindly discuss BSG without spoilers, rather, I simply said I figured we would all be in agreement to not worry about spoiling the show.

I think Caprica is fairly unique in that it is a spin-off show AND a prequel, as opposed to, say, NCIS and NCIS: LA, where the two shows aren't so closely-related.  I don't think anyone, myself included, is looking to exclude the "other members of the forum," but also, I think it's reasonable not have to tip-toe around ever single detail of BSG, seeing as how once again, the two shows are so connected.

Do I seriously have to put "the Cylons eventually rebel and nuke the colonies" in spoilers?  Moreover, do I seriously have to put "the colonies unify their governments," or "William Adama joins the military" in spoilers?

I'm not being pedantic here--I just don't see how, as a consideration to those of us who wish to participate in this thread, we should have to spoiler everything BSG-related, simply because it's a different show within the franchise.  How long is enough time before something becomes "fair game?"  A year?  Two years?

Obviously those of us who watched BSG know what the "big spoilers" are, but seriously, some of those things happened *years ago.*  Heck, the mini-series was in 2003!  That was way back when the second and third Matrix movies came out (wow, has it really been that long?).

I'm not suggesting that everyone just start spouting off BSG spoilers every paragraph, rather, just be aware that pretty much a lot of meaningful discussion about Caprica might be a spoiler if you haven't seen Battlestar.  It's pretty hard to give clues as to what spoiler texts will contain, without actually revealing anything.  The alternative is to have something like:

Blah blah Caprica something...(spoiler for BSG:)
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show) I can see that getting very old, very fast.

 I agree with Josh, the mini series aired 8 years ago! It has been on DVD too, almost as long. If you have not seen it by now who's fault it that?
So while no one would disagree with your first point Mikah, i think point 2 is a bit overboard as far as OLDER programs. Its like saying i cant talk plot points about classic Star Trek when i am talking about the new movie.


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Just wondering if it's ok to watch Caprica if I haven't yet watched BSG? I have the first 3 seasons on DVD. Or should I just record Caprica and watch it after I've finished BSG?

I wouldn't even look up info. on Caprica (cast, guest stars, et cetera) until I watched  the entire BSG series, personally.  While it remains to be seen how much Caprica reveals about BSG, I wouldn't risk it.

Thanks Josh. I'll just keep recording it and do a marathon run of BSG.

I also agree with Josh. While I don't think anybody here should go out of their way to ruin surprises from BSG, the fact is that there are going to be beats that assume a familiarity with the prior series for their effectiveness. Assuming we get a few of those an episode, every page of this thread is going to be half-blacked out.

Well I don't know if that ^ is real or not so pretty annoying.
I don't care if BG aired 8 years ago or 8 weeks ago pwople havent watched it yet and this topic is not BG.
The BG series just became available on blu ray, at least season 1 has and that's how I'm watching it.

I came into this topic to see what it was and didn't think I should be worried about some other show being discussed and spoiled.

Oh well.

also, who really thinks that it is like talking about the original Star Trek,  there really isn;t anything in that series that was a overall series end point mission that can be spoiled.

For the incredibly small number of Caprica viewers that haven't seen BSG, I'll use spoilers.

For anyone who wants to be spoiler free on BSG but reads a thread on Caprica, they should be aware that they're going to be spoiled. It's just inevitable that someone is going to accidentally or deliberately talk about something that will spoil BSG plot points. If they were reading a thread on any other show, I'd feel bad for them but not in this case.

Those things are all revealed in like the first 2 minutes of the first episode, which is why I picked them, so have no fear--nothing was truly spoiled.

I guess my overall point is this: why would someone so worried about spoilers for BSG, watch Caprica live?  I hope for their sake the show doesn't do anything major to spoiler BSG on its own.

Edit: Just to say that Josh has said it much better than me.

I just think we should be able to say, Hey, that ties in to what we know on Galactica, or this person was on Galactica...or whatever.
Edited by RickER - 1/23/10 at 1:54pm

Anyway, on with the discussion for the pilot.  I'll play nice and use spoiler tags :)

I thought the pilot was quite well-structured, and evenly paced.  It successfully introduced the characters without being too in your face about it, though I would have liked to know a little bit more about Amanda Graystone--from her scrubs I assume she is a medical doctor.

In particular, Stoltz and Morales were great as Daniel and Joseph.  I thought their initial encounter was done very well.  One thing that crossed my mind was the lighter Joseph left at home (seemingly):

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show) I was surprised by the quick reveal that the Soldiers of the One had a very real presence on Caprica, and not just a "bunch of kids" running around playing with holobands.  I also liked that the infinity symbol was quickly introduced as the symbol for the group, as it brings up a lot of interesting ideas about BSG's cylons:

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What I'm concerned about is you guys are interjecting your own feelings into something that's already established -- spoiler guidelines. To me, it's essentially like everyone having their own "good" reasons why speeding is OK, or not paying your fair share of taxes. Usually the people who developed the guidelines put a decent amount of thought into coming up with them -- usually more than the people who are espousing personal exceptions. It'd certainly be an engaging conversation to determine what is and isn't considered a spoiler here (in each TV show thread) except for the minor detail that it has already been decided.

That said, I'll leave it to the staff to moderate the forum. I care only as a matter of principle, as I've certainly seen every episode of BSG multiple times. But I'm never going to agree with the camp that says, "If you're just coming into the BSG universe with Caprica, too bad, you should have seen all of BSG by now." If I were discussing The Crying Game, I would still protect it to this day for those who haven't seen it. Granted, it's easier to do for the occasional movie discussion than for (possibly) each episode of a TV show.

On a personal note, I wouldn't consider either one of Josh's comments above as spoilers, even if I'd never seen BSG.
 
In the end, I trust the guys involved to be considerate of the other forum members. I just felt the need to point out not everyone's on board with the BSG free-for-all position when discussing Caprica.
 

Honestly, I would be more worried that *Caprica* is gonna spoil BSG.

You make a good point with that, maybe I should stay away from caprica until I finish BSG

I saw a reference that the pilot that aired last week was "CG-enhanced" from the version on the DVD. I didn't watch the broadcast since I saw the DVD days earlier. Can anyone verify? Was the broadcast version different from the DVD?

^ I saw that "CG enhanced" comment on The Digital Bits and I didn't know what they were talking about either. Granted, I saw the DVD at least half a year ago but I didn't notice any changes besides content issues (like nudity being covered, maybe some of the violence in the club getting trimmed, etc.).

I still have no idea where this show is going, since tonight's episode mainly dealt with the repurcussions of the premiere (albeit one year later), but the hour flew by. The world of Caprica is way more foreign and exotic than the world of Battlestar Galactica was, since in the latter series humanity was stripped down to more or less what we have today + space ships. In many ways, less than we have. The first three hours of this series have started playing with whole cultures that aren't necessarily built on any reference points we may have. Polly Walker's headmistress character just keeps getting weirder and weirder.