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I first viewed F13 at a screening in NY just before it hit final cut, and especially for its extremely low budget, it was obviously a very nice piece of work.

Its limited budget meant (among other things) that it had neither a crew of 200 nor enough lights to illuminate Yankee Stadium, but this probably worked in its favor.

Paramount's Blu-ray is a nice looking disc that appears untampered with. Dark scenes may be played a bit more open than I recall on home video in the past, and this will exacerbate what some may consider a grain "problem." Going just a bit heavier may have covered a good bit of this, but even the coarseness of the grain, probably caused by pushing the stock, looks fine at the proper viewing distance. The nice thing is that F13 looks like film.

Taking a quick look at the cast, many of the young actors seem to have entered and left the industry quickly. The Bacon fellow has appeared in a few things over the intervening years, and Adrienne King has a nice career in vocal looping, a craft in itself.

Friday the 13th from Paramount is Blu-ray done right.

Recommended.

RAH
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Thanks for the comments Mr. Harris. Glad to hear this title was handled with respect.
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I've actually never seen any of the F13 movies (and I'm almost 37) so I may give this a rental - hopefully Netflix carries it although they have been guilty of NOT carrying some of these BD catalog titles. I'm glad to hear grain is intact and the image looks film-like. You never know what to expect from catalog titles these days especially considering how over-processed some of Paramount's catalog titles have looked.
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Dark scenes may be played a bit more open than I recall on home video in the past, and this will exacerbate what some may consider a grain "problem."

Here.
post #5 of 32

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SWEET!

This is exactly what I was hoping to hear in regards to F13 ... my MOST anticipated Blu-ray release of '09.

I cannot wait to get this, now.

It's a shame that Paramount doesn't seem to have the rest of the series planned for Blu-ray. I want all 8 in high definition!
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It's a really awful film, and yet I'm compelled to buy it. Glad to hear about the grain -- I found with Black Christmas that the abundant grain helped give everything a very film-like look.

I'll get excited when 2, 4, and 6 hit Blu...
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Yes.. it is a bad movie... but it is a guilty pleasure. parts 3, 4 and 6 are my favorites. They were intentionally campy and fun. Part 6 is basically a parody of itself. Good fun!

a bit off track... but this always cracked me up

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I'd argue it wasn't a bad movie since I'd bet no one watching it ever guessed who the killer was. It's certainly a lot better made then at least thirty slashers I could name right now. Of course it pissed off housewives as well as Siskel and Ebert but that's about it.
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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
I'd argue it wasn't a bad movie since I'd bet no one watching it ever guessed who the killer was.

That's because it's a cheat. It's a whodunit that doesn't introduce the killer until act 3. It's literally impossible to guess the killer for the first 70 minutes of the movie because they haven't ever stepped foot on screen.
post #10 of 32

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But really, what makes it a bad film?

It doesn't really have much aim other than taking its audience for a ride, and it does. For many people, seeing the cast of characters killed in brutal, on screen ways was a first.

Tom Savini's work in F13 is great and the movie is a terrific showcase of that. But more than that, it's got its share of creepy bits. The stuff with Marcy in the bathroom is really damn scary and suspenseful and there's a really good atmosphere pervading the entire thing.

F13 accomplishes what it sets out to do (at least to me). And if some of the sequels are better (2, 4 and 6), this movie is still a blast to watch. The wait for the Blu-ray is killing me!
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Originally Posted by MattFini
But really, what makes it a bad film?

The acting's crap, it's not scary, and it's not exciting. Sean Cunningham couldn't shoot an infomercial. That's why. It's just a dull, lifeless cash-in. It only gains some life during the hilariously awful finale.

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But more than that, it's got its share of creepy bits. The stuff with Marcy in the bathroom is really damn scary

I disagree completely. I found the Marcy stuff to be incredibly dull.

One of the reasons I like Part 2 so much is that it feels like the first done by a competent director. The characters are better, the villain's scarier, and there's a sense of excitement throughout the whole thing.
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Originally Posted by Matt Thompson
The acting's crap, it's not scary, and it's not exciting. Sean Cunningham couldn't shoot an infomercial. That's why. It's just a dull, lifeless cash-in. It only gains some life during the hilariously awful finale.
I think the only scary or suspenseful F13 movie is the first one (although the fourth one has some tension). I'm not saying it's Citizen Kane or that Sean Cunningham is an unrecognized genius but I think the rawness/inexperience of the movie gives it a creepy feeling that none of the others had.
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I think the only scary or suspenseful F13 movie is the first one (although the fourth one has some tension). I'm not saying it's Citizen Kane or that Sean Cunningham is an unrecognized genius but I think the rawness/inexperience of the movie gives it a creepy feeling that none of the others had.
Good point Travis. I love the first one as well, but The second film in the series has always been my absolute favorite.
From characters, to creepy(er) atmosphere. I'll buy the first one, but I'm passing on the new S-DVD of 2 in hopes of a Blu-Ray release.
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I love the first one as well, but The second film in the series has always been my absolute favorite.
Despite what I said above, I like Part 2 more than the first one too (eventhough I don't think it's as scary as the original). Like Matt Thompson, I like the characters more, there's a more competent director and I love that potato sack.
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Originally Posted by Matt Thompson
The acting's crap, it's not scary, and it's not exciting. Sean Cunningham couldn't shoot an infomercial. That's why. It's just a dull, lifeless cash-in. It only gains some life during the hilariously awful finale.

I don't think the acting is bad at all. There isn't much for any of the characters to do, really, but most of the actors handle themselves well enough. There aren't even any real line deliveries that feel stiff or forced. It sounds like you really dislike the film but I feel like deeming the acting as "crap" is pretty harsh.

Travis, I would disagree in that I think The Final Chapter is probably the scariest of the series. Joe Zito really paced that sucker like a bat out of hell while capturing some real intensity at the same time. I also think Part 2 has it's share of tension. In fact, I would agree with Matt Thompson in that the sequel is a better film than the first in nearly every respect. Although the original is still a nifty slasher flick.
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Travis, I would disagree in that I think The Final Chapter is probably the scariest of the series.
The Final Chapter is my favorite entry in the series so I can see your point since Jason is pretty brutal in that one. Like I said, I guess it's the original's very low budget nature and great location that makes it more scary to me.
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I think i stopped watching these after Part 3. Same with Halloween, i stopped with #3. Damn, that was a long time ago!

I am in for Part 1 on Blu, and i will buy 2 and 3 on Blu. If the day comes that i can.
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^ I really dig the feel of the first movie as well. It's slow at times and the pacing is off, but there's a lot to like about it, too.

Steve Christy in 1080p will be amazing.
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Steve Christy in 1080p will be amazing.
I plan on counting the wrinkles on Crazy Ralph's neck.
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I plan on counting the wrinkles on Crazy Ralph's neck.

Hahahaha, yes! I am also anxious to see Officer Dorf in high def.

"What, you just get off a spaceship or something? Come on, Coloumbian gold, man. Grass, hash, the weed, you dig?"

Oh, and Rick, I know I'm a little biased, but I would HIGHLY recommend the first 6. Don't stop at 3. 4 is amazing, 5 needs to be seen to be believed and part 6 is probably the smartest and most enjoyable of the whole series.
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Originally Posted by MattFini
I don't think the acting is bad at all. There isn't much for any of the characters to do, really, but most of the actors handle themselves well enough. There aren't even any real line deliveries that feel stiff or forced. It sounds like you really dislike the film but I feel like deeming the acting as "crap" is pretty harsh.

I guess it comes down to your definition of what's crap. The teens are pretty one-note. Betsy Palmer chews so much scenery that there's none left. Etc. But then, I can see why you wouldn't think that's crap, so I'll pull back on that point a bit. I still think the whole thing's lifeless.

When it comes to The Final Chapter, I don't find it scary, but there's a very... bleak sensibility. It's a really dark film.

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Oh, and Rick, I know I'm a little biased, but I would HIGHLY recommend the first 6. Don't stop at 3. 4 is amazing, 5 needs to be seen to be believed and part 6 is probably the smartest and most enjoyable of the whole series.

Despite our disagreement on the first, I officially like you! Anyone who appreciates Jason Lives is okay in my book.
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Oh, and Rick, I know I'm a little biased, but I would HIGHLY recommend the first 6. Don't stop at 3. 4 is amazing, 5 needs to be seen to be believed and part 6 is probably the smartest and most enjoyable of the whole series.

Thanks Matt, i will add 4-6 to my NetFlix.
I just hate to follow a good franchise to the bottom. For example season 8 and 9 of The X Files, or AvP 1 and 2!
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Thanks Matt, i will add 4-6 to my NetFlix.
I just hate to follow a good franchise to the bottom. For example season 8 and 9 of The X Files, or AvP 1 and 2!

Hahahaha, I hear ya. 4 is, for my money, at least as good as the others. When we're talking about part 5, it's not a good film at all, but if you can laugh, you will have a great time.

But things get back on track with part 6. It's honestly one of my favorite films all around. I can't think of many more movies that are as delightful to watch as this one ... fast, funny, creepy and smart ... do not let the unintentional hilarity of part 5 stopping you for seeing this one.

And while I do like the rest of the F13 films as well, I think the first 6 are the ones to see.

Oh, Matt ... glad you're a fellow fan of Jason Lives, man. I could talk about it all day!
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Originally Posted by Matt Thompson
That's because it's a cheat. It's a whodunit that doesn't introduce the killer until act 3. It's literally impossible to guess the killer for the first 70 minutes of the movie because they haven't ever stepped foot on screen.

But so was 90% of the twists Hitchcock did. Not to mention countless cheats in PSYCHO. I believe Hitch was the one who said he enjoyed playing the viewer just like playing a piano, which is something you really have to do. Even HALLOWEEN had Myers doing things that wasn't possible or something someone could call a cheat. I think it's just part of the genre but when horror historians or anyone else talk about F13 they don't talk about walking out of the theater cheated. They talk about walking out in horror and shock over who the killer was and the reasons behind the killings. Avoiding spoilers for those who haven't seen it.

I don't think it's the best in the series but it has an atmosphere that can't be touched.
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But so was 90% of the twists Hitchcock did. Not to mention countless cheats in PSYCHO. I believe Hitch was the one who said he enjoyed playing the viewer just like playing a piano, which is something you really have to do. Even HALLOWEEN had Myers doing things that wasn't possible or something someone could call a cheat. I think it's just part of the genre but when horror historians or anyone else talk about F13 they don't talk about walking out of the theater cheated. They talk about walking out in horror and shock over who the killer was and the reasons behind the killings. Avoiding spoilers for those who haven't seen it.

Halloween isn't a good movie because Michael Myers is unkillable. Hitchcock's films all have worth outside of twist endings. They all have numerous points that build up to their well-deserved classic statuses.

You said that I can't call Friday the 13th a bad film because the killer is unpredictable -- hence, I said it was a cheat. You can't say a film is good simply because it cheats.
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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
But so was 90% of the twists Hitchcock did. Not to mention countless cheats in PSYCHO. I believe Hitch was the one who said he enjoyed playing the viewer just like playing a piano, which is something you really have to do. Even HALLOWEEN had Myers doing things that wasn't possible or something someone could call a cheat. I think it's just part of the genre but when horror historians or anyone else talk about F13 they don't talk about walking out of the theater cheated. They talk about walking out in horror and shock over who the killer was and the reasons behind the killings. Avoiding spoilers for those who haven't seen it.

I can't really follow your point here, Michael.

If someone were to feel 'cheated' by anything in Halloween, it's not the same thing as the way in which F13 reveals its killer.

As someone said, F13 tries to be a whodunit, but it's impossible to guess who the killer is because they're simply not featured in the first two acts. There may be 'cheats' in Psycho, but when everything's revealed it adds up. True there's no real way to see it coming, but still. In F13 there's no mention of the character prior to the reveal, so it is certainly a bit more of a cheat than most films of this ilk. Hell, I can't even think of many other slasher films that are as dodgy with their reveals.

Although, it can be argued that the lure of F13 isn't in its mystery, anyway. In 1980, people weren't talking about who the killer was. It's pretty incidental, anyway. It was the Savini's bag o' magic tricks that really had people talking the film up ... not necessarily the arbitrary reveal of who was behind them.
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Spoiler for PSYCHO

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Not everything adds up as it was rather impossible for Norman to be dressed as a woman, brutally murder someone and then seconds later be up in the house screaming at mother over blood and then rushing down the steps to discover the body. There just wasn't enough time. Not to mention when the P.I. gets killed as we see Norman outside and there's no way for him to get upstairs by the time the P.I. climbs the steps.


I was born in 1980 so I obviously can't say how people reacted but I have heard stories from my family members who all went to see it together. Before I ever watched the movie all I heard about was the mystery of the killer. She's forgotten today but at the time it was a shock to see Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
someone pure like Betsy Palmer
playing a killer. As you said, I'm sure the main draw was Savini's work but I think the mystery was still talked about even though no clues were ever given.

As for HALLOWEEN, he was unkillable because of the box office.
post #28 of 32

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F13 is as much of a cheat as any film using the narrative device of unreliable narrator IMHO. In any case, "cheating" is fair game as long as it's interesting and the audience goes with it. And the Voorhees backstory and doozy of a coda played like gangbusters in the theater when I saw it as an impressionable 12 year-old.

It's interesting...as much as the gore was unexpectedly shocking at the time, what haunted me afterward was the brief sequence of dissolves during the final chase - Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Betsy Palmer saying "kill her, mommy,"
the music, etc. - creepy, disturbing stuff...but those dissolves creeped me out for some reason LOL. Just gave it a dreamy, nightmarish vibe...
post #29 of 32

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I don't see how the ending is a cheat. We have no idea who the killer is for the entire film, straight up to the end. It's not like someone promised something and then went and changed it. Consider:

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It could be anyone doing the killing --- Crazy Ralph, one of the other counselors, maybe the kid who drowned in the lake... but in the end it rather surprisingly turns out to be the MOTHER of the drowned boy, which nobody expected ... but how's that a 'cheat'...? I could see fans of the later sequels who missed the first film and catch it late expecting Jason to be the killer and they feel "cheated" when it's not him....


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As someone said, F13 tries to be a whodunit, but it's impossible to guess who the killer is because they're simply not featured in the first two acts. There may be 'cheats' in Psycho, but when everything's revealed it adds up. True there's no real way to see it coming, but still. In F13 there's no mention of the character prior to the reveal, so it is certainly a bit more of a cheat than most films of this ilk. Hell, I can't even think of many other slasher films that are as dodgy with their reveals.

It may not be a 'whodunit' in the classic sense. I don't know that the film expects you to be second-guessing all of the already-established characters, necessarily. Even if it did, I think it's interesting the left field reveal it takes later.
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It may not be a 'whodunit' in the classic sense. I don't know that the film expects you to be second-guessing all of the already-established characters, necessarily. Even if it did, I think it's interesting the left field reveal it takes later.

And that's the beauty of it. Watching the film so long ago, I never thought for a second it was any of the established characters. I just knew there was a crazed killer deep in the woods. When the camera becomes the eyes of the killer, it feels very Bava-esque and adds worlds to the already creepy atmosphere.
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