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post #61 of 244

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My CC was PACKED yesterday. No exciting deals (30% off furniture would've been nice if they'd had much of it left). I may stop by again towards the end -- we got some nice deals in the final days of Linens & Things.

It got me wondering whether they could have survived on a business model of pricing everything 5% below retail: "5% off all the time!" If they'd been half as crowded on a regular basis as they were yesterday, they'd probably still be in business.

And while everyone's complaining about the low-paid sales staff, I'll take a Circuit City salesperson who admits not knowing much to a Best Buy salesperson who spits out-and-out LIES in my face. Those have been the norms at my local stores for a long time.
post #62 of 244

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I'm sorry to see CC go. I purchased a 32" Magnavox CRT from them, and was very pleased. I bought a 19" TV from Best Buy, and it was a customer service nightmare; the picture tube went out a month after I bought it, and the repair turnaround was about eight weeks. Then it went out again a few weeks later. I had to twist their arm to get them to replace the bloody thing. Since then, never again a major electronic from BB.
post #63 of 244

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I went to Best Buy today, and when I checked out, asked about price matching Circuit City, and was given a very blunt "We don't price match Circuit City anymore." So, so much for that! I really hope that Best Buy doesn't think they don't have to try anymore since they're the only one left...they've started to disappoint me since last year.
post #64 of 244

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Originally Posted by SeanC
I went to Best Buy today, and when I checked out, asked about price matching Circuit City, and was given a very blunt "We don't price match Circuit City anymore." So, so much for that! I really hope that Best Buy doesn't think they don't have to try anymore since they're the only one left...they've started to disappoint me since last year.

I don't know that you can blame Best Buy. I mean Circuit City is going out of business. Who knows what CC will be doing to pricing over the next few weeks.

What I don't understand is this "game" to beat up retailers over pricing at other stores. I mean, I'm all about keeping retailers honest too, but if you like a price at one store, then go get it from the store that advertised it.

Why get mad at the 2nd store? Go get it from the one who had the price you liked best.
post #65 of 244

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Originally Posted by David Deeb
I don't know that you can blame Best Buy. I mean Circuit City is going out of business.
Plus, the store in my area wasn't even honoring the ad because they were going out of business.
post #66 of 244

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Originally Posted by SeanC
I went to Best Buy today, and when I checked out, asked about price matching Circuit City, and was given a very blunt "We don't price match Circuit City anymore." So, so much for that! I really hope that Best Buy doesn't think they don't have to try anymore since they're the only one left...they've started to disappoint me since last year.

Losing CC doesn't make Best Buy a monopoly. There are still plenty of Electronics dealers around though certainly one less National big box. Obviously depending on your location the choices are just different -- Target, Costco, Sams, Walmart, HH Gregg, Fry's, Meijer, Sears for price matches.

And the online choices aren't doing anything but gaining power -- Amazon, OneCall, Frys.com, NewEgg, etc. At some point Best Buy and the rest are going to have to do something to counter the Internet Sales drain or more CC's will follow.
post #67 of 244

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Originally Posted by SeanC
I really hope that Best Buy doesn't think they don't have to try anymore since they're the only one left...they've started to disappoint me since last year.
I stopped by a Best Buy near work at lunchtime today to pick up a couple of DVDs. The cashier wasn't really being very courteous which led me to think that the "we're the only game in town now" attitude was starting already. Of course I'm probably just being paranoid.

After I left Best Buy, I drove past the Circuit City down the street and the parking lot was packed. I just ate lunch at the Togo's sandwich shop in front of that store last week and the place looked like a ghost town. Funny how a "GOING OUT OF BUSINESS" banner brings people in.

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Originally Posted by David Norman
Losing CC doesn't make Best Buy a monopoly. There are still plenty of Electronics dealers around though certainly one less National big box.
Circuit City was the closest thing to a Best Buy however. I do have access to Costco, Target, and Wal Mart but none of those are all that similar. Sure, they all sell TVs, DVD players, and the like but they don't have the same selection that Circuit City and Best Buy offer. I can also shop at Fry's... if I want to drive 35-40 miles (I really wish they'd open a store nearby).
post #68 of 244

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Closest Fry;s to me unfortunately is 4 hours, but then again CC and BB are/were 30 minutes so maybe a different perspective as to nearby. Your Frys is still a player as far as a price matching chip so BB still has to honor at least the going rate and BB can't eliminate price as a factor just because of CC no longer being viable. It certainly makes it a bit harder work, but BB us bit free to do as they please or they will follow down the CC path themselves.

Locally, HHGregg is the current closest direct competitor to my BB and they concentrate mainly on the TV/Audio side with very little software. Of course, almost all software (DVD/BR, etc) I get online these days so that's not much of a loss. I virtually never buy movies directly from the Big Box stores anymore except for a few of their loss leader type. With Amazon Prime I almost always get the movies on the release date with no tax/shipping and almost always cheaper than anything BB offers.
post #69 of 244

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Originally Posted by SeanC
I went to Best Buy today, and when I checked out, asked about price matching Circuit City, and was given a very blunt "We don't price match Circuit City anymore." So, so much for that! I really hope that Best Buy doesn't think they don't have to try anymore since they're the only one left...they've started to disappoint me since last year.

Yep... the future doesn't look bright.
post #70 of 244

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Originally Posted by David Deeb
What I don't understand is this "game" to beat up retailers over pricing at other stores. I mean, I'm all about keeping retailers honest too, but if you like a price at one store, then go get it from the store that advertised it. Why get mad at the 2nd store? Go get it from the one who had the price you liked best.
Good point.

Actually, I think the whole "price match" idea is problematic: It is something one store adopts to give itself a competitive advantage in advertising, but that advantage is very short-lived: Soon thereafter competitors will adopt a similar policy and the stores have done nothing more than hamstrung themselves.

The only way "price match" makes sense for business is if you are seeking to compete solely on price by being a low-cost provider. You strip down your distribution and sales channel so that it has the lowest cost possible, because then you can rest assured that, as long as you're big enough, you can readily beat anyone else's price without hurting your own profitability. Basically, if you adopt a "price match" policy, you are committing to be the lowest-common denominator in the marketplace, for price and therefore also for service.

I'm not sure that it really benefits customers either, because we've seen the impact of the entrance of low-cost providers into market after market: The low-end prospers, of course. The high-end typically also remains intact -- a couple of suppliers will always be able to make profit by charging double for providing good customer service along with the products they sell. So what gets lost is the middle: Decent products, with decent service, at decent prices -- gone -- blown away because the typical mass-market patrons of that type of offering will merrily trade-off service for getting a lower price.

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Originally Posted by David Norman
Losing CC doesn't make Best Buy a monopoly. There are still plenty of Electronics dealers around though certainly one less National big box. Obviously depending on your location the choices are just different -- Target, Costco, Sams, Walmart, HH Gregg, Fry's, Meijer, Sears for price matches.
As much as folk malign Circuit City, the people who worked there tended to have a greater interest in electronics than the typical retail sales worker. Therefore, a greater percentage of time, you'd end up with someone who actually might have known a little bit about what they were selling. Best Buy, too. Costco? Sam's? Wal-mart? Uh -- not quite as likely.

Losing Circuit City means substantially less competition in many areas -- opportunities for consumers to actually get some useful service with regard to the electronics they're interested in purchasing. Less competition isn't good for consumers.

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Originally Posted by David Norman
And the online choices aren't doing anything but gaining power -- Amazon, OneCall, Frys.com, NewEgg, etc. At some point Best Buy and the rest are going to have to do something to counter the Internet Sales drain or more CC's will follow.
What can they possibly do? Best Buy's answer is to "join 'em". BestBuy.com is probably a major source of revenue for the company, and perhaps even a major source of sales for the stores, themselves. However, if we consumers want Best Buy there, with the vast array of electronics floor models set out for us to look at, touch, etc., then what advantage can Best Buy count on to justify keeping their b&m stores open, when they could just as well make the sale on BestBuy.com and save all the overhead of the store? There needs to be more money to be made via the b&m channel to substantiate the higher costs. Where is that additional money?

We consumers have fostered the marketplace we're going to have to operate in, for good or ill.
post #71 of 244

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Originally Posted by Brian^K
The only way "price match" makes sense for business is if you are seeking to compete solely on price by being a low-cost provider. You strip down your distribution and sales channel so that it has the lowest cost possible, because then you can rest assured that, as long as you're big enough, you can readily beat anyone else's price without hurting your own profitability. Basically, if you adopt a "price match" policy, you are committing to be the lowest-common denominator in the marketplace, for price and therefore also for service.

I think you're making an invalid assumption that a price matching policy will result in every customer researching the lowest possible price. I'd bet that only a small percentage of customers actually go to that trouble.

If you price a product higher but will match a competitor's price, then you'll likely end up selling the product at both price points. It's sorta like hedging your bets.
post #72 of 244

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Go back to what David Deeb said on this thread:
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Originally Posted by David Deeb
if you like a price at one store, then go get it from the store that advertised it
In that context, please explain your point about what you think was invalid about my assumption. Customers who don't research the lowest price won't necessarily buy from you, nor will those who do. So again, what value is it to the retailer to offer price matching, given that it undercuts the retailers own ability to set their own pricing strategy?
post #73 of 244

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Some people price-match at Best Buy because they want to rack up Reward Zone points with the purchase.

Wal-Mart is pretty aggressive with Black Friday price-matching, just bring in any other store's Black Friday ad, and they'll match it. They just want to get people accustomed to one-stop shopping at Wal-Mart.
post #74 of 244

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I, too, am disappointed that Circuit City is going out of business. I used to have Best Buy, Circuit City and Tweeter within 15 minutes of home. Of the three, I probably liked CC the least. However, I did like the local choices which I have now lost. I purchased more at Tweeter than all other outlets. They went from 2006 Retailer of the year to out of business at end of 2008!

I do have a high-end AV store (Gramophone) within 5 minutes from my house, but I have purchased very little from them. I also have a Myer-Emco within a 1/2-hour drive. I suppose I'm better situated than many regarding B&M stores.
post #75 of 244

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Originally Posted by Qui-Gon John
I hate noise pollution. You go into some store and they have whatever music playing, often too loud. And maybe I don't want to hear that music, or maybe when I'm shopping I'd prefer if any music was playing that it was very soft in the background.

Circuit City, the day the music died..
post #76 of 244

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Anyone know if they'll still take rewards certificates? I know they get rung up like gift cards, and they're supposed to still take them.
post #77 of 244

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My guess, (and just a guess) if CC folded, then Best Buy isn't far behind. Just another sign of the economy. Gee, if I had to choose between a 1,300 Samsung or a bill that I can catch up with, then I choose the bill.
post #78 of 244

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Well, if anything, Circuit City's closing gives Best Buy a lift. They may still go under, for the reasons you allude to, but if they were hurting that badly, then surely they'd go under quicker if they had more competition.
post #79 of 244

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Originally Posted by Brian^K
In that context, please explain your point about what you think was invalid about my assumption. Customers who don't research the lowest price won't necessarily buy from you, nor will those who do. So again, what value is it to the retailer to offer price matching, given that it undercuts the retailers own ability to set their own pricing strategy?

What does that have to do with the context? His suggestion only applies if there is no other reason to choose one store over the other. If store A is, for example, on a consumer's way home from work and store B isn't, or if the person has another reason to visit A (for another item, say), then A's price-matching policy will encourage that person to buy a cheaper-at-B item from them instead of going out of his way to visit B.

As for pricing strategy, like I said, only a portion of consumers will actually go to the effort of price-matching. It's a way for the store to sell an item at more than one price. Selling something for $20 and matching a competitor's $15 price for a few customers is not the same thing as selling it to everyone for $15. The advantage is the ability to charge $20 to customers who don't ask for the price match -- it's competing on price for the customers who care about price and competing in other ways for the others.

You appeared to be assuming that if a store matches prices, then all customers will always ask them to match. If I misinterpreted then I apologize.
post #80 of 244

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Originally Posted by Jerome Grate
My guess, (and just a guess) if CC folded, then Best Buy isn't far behind. Just another sign of the economy. Gee, if I had to choose between a 1,300 Samsung or a bill that I can catch up with, then I choose the bill.

I dont think BB will go under. They may be hurting, like every store is, but they are clean, bright, well maintained, have staff, and they are more likely to help. I didnt get any of those things in the last 3 or 4 years i walked into a CC. But i did get a big sigh anytime i asked anyone where i might find something! And never found what i was looking for!

I would pay off my bill too Jerome. Then i would buy a $4000 Sony LCD with 3 years no interest. I would also pay it off, on time, and not owe a dime of interest! Oh, wait, i did do that.
post #81 of 244

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Originally Posted by Aaron Silverman
What does that have to do with the context?
It doesn't support the objection to my point that price matching is of no long-term advantage to retailers.

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Originally Posted by Aaron Silverman
It's a way for the store to sell an item at more than one price.
However, if all the retailers are doing it, then there is no advantage to them in doing so, and instead it just constitutes a reduction in flexibility. It is a defense against losing business to other retailers; it won't actually increase profits, but rather only guard against decreasing the number of sales.
post #82 of 244

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I still don't understand what David's suggestion has to do with the realities of the marketplace. It was just a suggestion.

Why do you think a defense against losing business isn't a good thing?
post #83 of 244

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I didn't say anything about "good thing" or "bad thing". I said it doesn't represent a long-term competitive advantage.
post #84 of 244

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Originally Posted by Joseph Bolus
Hmmm... I suppose this means that the two year bulb protection that I purchased from CC when I acquired my Optoma HD-65 is now null and void ... *sigh*

WRONG!!! Your warranty is still good. I work for the warranty company that supports Circuit City contract. WE ARE NOT GOING OUT OF BUSINESS!!! In fact, we are doing great financially. YOUR WARRANTY WILL BE HONORED.
post #85 of 244

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My local Best Buy is about 12 minutes from my house, and I can take the backroads. There was a Circuit City less than a minute from the Best Buy up until about 2 or 3 years ago, when they closed the location and opened another one in the next town, about 30 minutes away, and on a very traffic-heavy street. When Circuit City was close by, I always would go there if they had the lower price. But it just isn't as easy for me to go to the new location, its much more convienent to go to Best Buy and price match.
post #86 of 244

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Originally Posted by Brian^K
I didn't say anything about "good thing" or "bad thing". I said it doesn't represent a long-term competitive advantage.

You initially wrote "the only way it makes sense. . ." That's different.
post #87 of 244

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Went to the Santa Monica CC for the first time since the announcement, and was surprised to find a line outside, the door mostly closed, and an employee letting only a trickle of people into the store. It would have been appropriate if there was a ton of people but it looked like there were very few people in the store! (you could see most of the first floor showroom from the window)

I walked away, along with the half-dozen or so people who were being told to wait in line, muttering "the deals aren't that good" (the flyers only said 10-30% off)

Man, they can't even go out of business well! No wonder they're shuttering their doors...
post #88 of 244

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Originally Posted by Aaron Silverman
You initially wrote "the only way it makes sense. . ."
No, what I wrote was:
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Originally Posted by Brian^K
The only way "price match" makes sense for business is if you are seeking to compete solely on price by being a low-cost provider.
Please don't misquote me if you're going to disagree with what I wrote.
post #89 of 244

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There are no deals as far as i can see. Yet theres a bunch of people fingering through the blu-rays at a measly 10% off the full mark up price.
post #90 of 244

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Last night I saw a TV advertisement for the liquidation sale with
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Prices up to 30% off
They were touting getting HDTVs at such a great deal
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