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post #181 of 444
3/31/09 at 8:24am

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Well although my order didn't leave Louisville until 7:30 last night it somehow made it to NJ by early morning so maybe I'll end up getting it by 6 PM tonight or therabouts after all! Would certainly show a lot of double-timing to make it on time on their part.
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post #182 of 444
3/31/09 at 8:25am

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Five out of 6 Best Buys in my area are carrying this. That's encouraging.
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post #183 of 444
3/31/09 at 8:38am

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Does anyone else find the cover picture to Season Two Volume Two a bit odd looking? I'm not referring to the fact that it's a color photo with his prisoner number below, we all know that it's a fabrication.

I'm just talking about the picture of David Janssen himself. It looks odd to me, like there's something off about his cheeks or mouth or something.

It is indeed very odd looking, Harry. Dr. Kimble actually comes across looking less intelligent and more like a heavyset thug. It's very off-putting and certainly my least favorite of the four covers.
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post #184 of 444
3/31/09 at 8:40am

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At my age (64), I feel like Burgess Meredith on the steps of the library after the bomb.

Shades of my signature!
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post #185 of 444
3/31/09 at 8:54am

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Originally Posted by Jack P
Well although my order didn't leave Louisville until 7:30 last night it somehow made it to NJ by early morning so maybe I'll end up getting it by 6 PM tonight or therabouts after all! Would certainly show a lot of double-timing to make it on time on their part.


Well mine left Lexington at 7:03 last night and, despite being on two-day delivery, it's on the truck for delivery today so it should be waiting for me when I get home tonight.
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post #186 of 444
3/31/09 at 10:08am

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Does anyone else find the cover picture to Season Two Volume Two a bit odd looking?Harry

I thought the same thing as Mike did, Harry. Definitely not in tune with the previous covers. This one looks like "Society" from "Cool Hand Luke" (played by JD Cannon)

[Road Gang Guard] "You eye-ballin' there, Society?"
[Society] "Just checking my Yo-yo, Boss"
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post #187 of 444
3/31/09 at 10:42am

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I agree Harry, when I first saw the cover I was baffled in where they got the idea for it.
The first three covers were made from still photos or scenes from the show, but this one looks just made up.
This picture of Kimble would give Neville Brand a run for his money for the ugliest mug !!
Have we ever seen a Wanted poster of Richard Kimble with his dark hair? NO !

They should have used the original Wanted poster!!
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post #188 of 444
3/31/09 at 10:55am

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Originally Posted by shadyguy
I agree Harry, when I first saw the cover I was baffled in where they got the idea for it.
The first three covers were made from still photos or scenes from the show, but this one looks just made up.
This picture of Kimble would give Neville Brand a run for his money for the ugliest mug !!
Have we ever seen a Wanted poster of Richard Kimble with his dark hair? NO !

They should have used the original Wanted poster!!

Why begs the question ... Why wasn't the wanted poster ever updated to reflect Kimble's dyed black hair since he had so many encounters and sightings with the black hair? That always puzzled me.

And yes, the cover mug shot is creepy; it reminds me of what Time magazine did to the O.J. mug shot.
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post #189 of 444
3/31/09 at 11:33am

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I just compared the episode Brass Ring, not good.

I noticed this immediately... all the amusement park background music has been changed.

It appears that most, but not all the Rugolo cues are there. Unfortunately, everything else is Heyes. Also has Heyes music in 2 scenes where there were none in the original broadcast version.

I'd say only about 30% of the music in this episode is original.
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post #190 of 444
3/31/09 at 11:43am

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Why begs the question ... Why wasn't the wanted poster ever updated to reflect Kimble's dyed black hair since he had so many encounters and sightings with the black hair? That always puzzled me.

I think it's because there would be no "official" photo on file of Kimble with his hair dyed in police records and a standard Wanted poster I think would always have to use a "mug shot" photo which would only be with Kimble's old hair color.
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post #191 of 444
3/31/09 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by Jack P
I think it's because there would be no "official" photo on file of Kimble with his hair dyed in police records and a standard Wanted poster I think would always have to use a "mug shot" photo which would only be with Kimble's old hair color.

And because there was no such thing as "Photoshop" back in those pre-computerized days. The police would have to hire an artist to adjust the photo, and perhaps the Stafford PD just didn't have it in the budget!

Really though, there were times when Kimble with his new 'do was photographed for newspapers, etc. You'd think they could update the mug shot with one of those - or at least have it as an addendum.

Harry
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post #192 of 444
3/31/09 at 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by Jean Paul Villeneuve
I just compared the episode Brass Ring, not good.

I noticed this immediately... all the amusement park background music has been changed.

It appears that most, but not all the Rugolo cues are there. Unfortunately, everything else is Heyes. Also has Heyes music in 2 scenes where there were none in the original broadcast version.

I'd say only about 30% of the music in this episode is original.

I figured the amusement park music would be changed although I don't know why they changed it since it was okay in the pilot episode. I am very dissapointed with music being in places where there wasn't any originally! I am thinking a poor feedback will be left for this one by me on Amazon but I am going to wait until I review the other episodes in this set. I can't understand Paramount: You would think with the backlash they got from Season 2 volume 1 they would have been extra careful with this release. They really need to hire someone with knowledge of the show and the music instead of taking a stab here and there on their own.
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post #193 of 444
3/31/09 at 12:31pm

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Originally Posted by Jean Paul Villeneuve
I just compared the episode Brass Ring, not good.

I noticed this immediately... all the amusement park background music has been changed.

It appears that most, but not all the Rugolo cues are there. Unfortunately, everything else is Heyes. Also has Heyes music in 2 scenes where there were none in the original broadcast version.

I'd say only about 30% of the music in this episode is original.

Oh, come on! You've got to be kidding me! Not you Jean Paul, but CBS/Paramount. What the heck is wrong with the folks in charge of the music replacements? I just can't believe they'd insert Heyes where no music was originally. That's truly insane and just confirms my suspicions that the people doing this work have no clue what they are doing. Either that, or the "medicinal marijuana" laws out there in California are being abused even more than I could have ever imagined.

Gary "CBS/P is making it harder and harder for me to be complimentary of them for this move - guess we are looking at another mixed bag" O.

P.S. I can only hope and pray they get their act together for Season 3 and return to the first season template.
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post #194 of 444
3/31/09 at 12:53pm

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Gary, I was so dumbfounded by the remark, I wasn't sure whether to respond or not. Evidentally Carab and David Von Pein do not have their sets yet to confirm this but what of the early reviews which even brought the music issue to light and supposedly allayed our fears? Perhaps the reviewers do not have enough knowledge in this area...?

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Either that, or the "medicinal marijuana" laws out there in California are being abused even more than I could have ever imagined.

BTW, that's classic.
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post #195 of 444
3/31/09 at 1:25pm

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Yeah, well at this point Michael I'm just resigned to the fact that both these Season 2 sets are going to be a mixed bag. We'll have some episodes that are completely untouched, some that have very minimal Heyes and are fine for the majority of us, and a few that insert too much Heyes (some for no good reason). The last grouping will be the ones I find a bit intolerable. Examples from Volume 1 of Season 2 would include "Ballad for a Ghost" and "Man on a String". In these instances I'll be glad I have alternatives so that I can watch the episodes unmolested.

Gary "the majority of the episodes will more than likely be ok with me personally, but that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed when Heyes is inserted in needless spots - that's just ridiculous no matter how you slice it" O.
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post #196 of 444
3/31/09 at 1:47pm

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I've just finished comparing THE END IS BUT THE BEGINNING. Weird, this one has most of its original music intact.

I only noticed 2, perhaps 3 Heyes cues... and no added music either.

I'm hoping the remaining 13 episodes are all like this one.
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post #197 of 444
3/31/09 at 1:54pm

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My set arrived just as I was going out the door so I won't be watching "Brass Ring" until late tonight but it's too bad there has to be one episode with that level of replacement still in.

I have to admit, I think I'm in the most advantageous position in terms of not being bothered by the level of correct music that's ended up in the end product in that I don't know the specifics about what should go where (I wasn't familiar with Janis Paige's song either so that episode's replacement went right by me) but I do know the famous Rugolo/CBS cues and that if I hear them at some point, I'm generally okay.
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post #198 of 444
3/31/09 at 2:38pm

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I agree with Gary — CBS really has to get it together here. Why they would keep any Heyes in S2V2 is beyond me. They've got to do a better job with with the last two seasons. They really have put fans through the ringer with Season Two, and it is disheartening to learn simple carnival music had to be replaced with lousy Heyes. Jeez.
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post #199 of 444
3/31/09 at 2:46pm

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Originally Posted by Harry-N


Does anyone else find the cover picture to Season Two Volume Two a bit odd looking? I'm not referring to the fact that it's a color photo with his prisoner number below, we all know that it's a fabrication.

I'm just talking about the picture of David Janssen himself. It looks odd to me, like there's something off about his cheeks or mouth or something. Perhaps it'll look better on the actual package than in this scan that appears everywhere (?)

Harry

Harry, I thought the same thing when I first saw the art on tvshowsondvd. It is very "unJanssenesque," and like someone else mentioned he has the appearance of a thug ... or maybe an extra from "The Brain That Wouldn't Die" or "Attack of the Crab Monsters."
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post #200 of 444
3/31/09 at 6:25pm

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I went back to my Amazon.com and deleted my 4 star review until I find out what shape S2V2 is in musically.
I have no problem sticking it with a 1 star if necessary as most of us would do !
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post #201 of 444
3/31/09 at 7:53pm

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Unfortunately, none of the Best Buys in MY area had ANY copies of The Fugitive S2, V2 available for sale!!!!! Apparently, the area distributor did not get its act together and thus, as a result, I come home empty handed!!!!!!! I was NOT happy about that!!!!!!!!!!

So, I have ordedered the set from Amazon. Hopefully, my order won't take nearly a week to come all the way here from the Commonwealth of Kentucy as I was conned by Amazon previously when I recently ordered The Visitor on Blu-ray only to receive it nearly a week later.

Usually, I have my Amazon orders here in two days just on Standard Shipping--which is often only available to me on some titles anyway. But I have a bad feeling that this one is coming from Kentucky in a week!!!!!!! And I DEEPLY DETEST having to wait for such highly sought-after merchandise such as THIS!!!!!!!!

Oh...and CBS/P has yet to deliver me my replacement set and I am now into my fourth week of waiting!!!!!! And I am NOT happy about THAT either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, am I mad!!!!!!!!!

And I shall NOT let up on my contempt for either CBS/P or Best Buy--as well as my utter disregard for Amazon's too/week-long shipping process--until both proper editions of Season 2 of The Fugitive are safe and sound in my collection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post #202 of 444
3/31/09 at 7:59pm

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I don't think 20% is a fair judge of how much music replacement there is in "Brass Ring". In addition to Rugolo music, the TZ score for "Two" and "The Passersby" is quite distinct as well. I think much of the boardwalk carnival music replacement stems from the fact that so many familiar standards were involved and I think it was more a case of Heyes having to find Public Domain works and adapt them accordingly. I can live with that kind of replacement.
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post #203 of 444
3/31/09 at 8:15pm

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Originally Posted by Jack P
I don't think 20% is a fair judge of how much music replacement there is in "Brass Ring". In addition to Rugolo music, the TZ score for "Two" is quite distinct as well. I think much of the boardwalk carnival music replacement stems from the fact that so many familiar standards were involved and I think it was more a case of Heyes having to find Public Domain works and adapt them accordingly. I can live with that kind of replacement.


I am not holding up for or defending Heyes or his work, but I can live with his Carnival music. At least it sounds like carnival music and a little like the replaced cue. I don't like it, but I can live with it snce I don't know all the in's amd out's of the cue licenses issues. I do think they are trying to keep as much of the original music in tact when they can. I think they have to many paranoid Lawyers making a big issue out of nothing. What I can't stomach is them placing music by Heyes where none was at in the first place. That is uncalled for. It is like they are trying to fix something that isn't broke! I hope this is just an oversite and maybe if we write them they will be kind enough to fix it and offer a replacement disc for the first DVD. What I can't hold up for is the change in Ballad for a Ghost. That song was written for that episode and is even in the script! We need to flood Paramount/CBS with letters about Ill Wind before they mess it up.
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post #204 of 444
3/31/09 at 8:23pm

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I TRY to look at the music change in this manner: The replaced scores weren't actually written for The Fugitive only: They were for other shows. These scores are written for The Fugitive only. They aren't original, just 40 plus years late. It helps me to look at it that way in my mind. I hope one day I can convince myself of that fact!
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post #205 of 444
3/31/09 at 8:27pm

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Now that I'm finishing "Brass Ring" I can acknowledge that the Heyes stuff gets more intrusive in the latter phases of the episode.
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post #206 of 444
3/31/09 at 8:30pm

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Originally Posted by Jack P
Now that I'm finishing "Brass Ring" I can acknowledge that the Heyes stuff gets more intrusive in the latter phases of the episode.


It seems like the Heyes music is to loud to me! I have noticed this in the other episodes also. I am glad you pointed it out as being intrusive! I thought it was just my surround sound causing the issue
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post #207 of 444
3/31/09 at 10:52pm

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Harry, I thought the same thing when I first saw the art on tvshowsondvd.
The artwork is not quite as dark on the actual box as it is in the Web screen shots. Nonetheless, someone has airbrushed shadows and intensified the lines in Janssen's face. He's wearing a chambray work shirt, so it must be based on a still from one of his "toiling at many jobs" outdoor episodes.

Oddly, the Best Buy stores in around Philadelphia only received two (2) copies each. Several of the stores I visited today had them listed in the computer, but no copies were found on the shelves. At only $5 off list at BB, it's still a much better deal to buy on Amazon with $15 off and free shipping.

Best Buy has received NO Two Season box sets in the Philadelphia area. It's listed as a Web-only item. "Store pickup: Not Available"

Time to go watch a few episodes and see what all the music fuss is about now.



P.S. Sam Favate... Yes, I thought of your signature (and the TZ ep) when I posted that analogy.
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post #208 of 444
4/1/09 at 6:06am

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At only $5 off list at BB, it's still a much better deal to buy on Amazon with $15 off and free shipping.
Yeah, I didn't even bother to look at BB's website to see what they were charging (let alone actually go to the store to look for it) because I knew Amazon would be much cheaper.
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post #209 of 444
4/1/09 at 9:22am

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Amazon shipping estimates were wrong, as I got mine today!

Picture quality is excellent. There is a lot of Heyes though. Just listening to the music that opens each act, I could tell there were music replacements in "Brass Ring," "Fun and Games and Party Favors," "Scapegoat," "The Survivors," "Everybody Gets Hit in the Mouth Sometime," "May God Have Mercy," and "A.P.B." In each case, one or two opening acts have their music replaced. It's not hard to spot, as the modern synthesizers are a dead giveaway. The carnival music in "Brass Ring" is particularly bad.

The Fugitive is one of the greatest shows ever. It's a shame that CBS/Paramount is not giving it the golden treatment afforded to I Love Lucy, Star Trek, The Twilight Zone. Maybe some day they'll be a "Definitive Edition" with all the music restored and original, to make up for the current musical mutilations.
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post #210 of 444
4/1/09 at 10:13am

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Originally Posted by jdee28
...the golden treatment afforded to I Love Lucy, Star Trek, The Twilight Zone.
I hesitate to mention this, at the risk of showing my ignorance if I'm wrong, or causing a furor if I'm right, but I've been listening to S3V1 of GUNSMOKE. There are some noticeably loud/jarring musical stingers. (That's what we used to call them in radio)

I was just wondering if all this Fugitive stuff has made me overly sensitive or even musically neurotic.

Hopefully, it's all in my mind, if no one else has detected changes in GUNSMOKE.

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