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post #121 of 444
3/14/09 at 12:07pm
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17 days and counting till the now highly anticipated SEASON TWO VOLUME TWO set of THE FUGITIVE.



Harry
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post #122 of 444
3/14/09 at 7:18pm

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I'm really looking forward to this. I'll have some time off in April and plan on gathering with family to watch episodes from S2V2 in blocks.
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post #123 of 444
3/25/09 at 9:55am
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Less than a week now to release day. I see a blog where someone's reviewed the new set, claiming original music intact:

The relevant paragraph:
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The DVD is 4.3 full-screen with Dolby Digital mono sound, and the episodes are transferred from the original negatives so they look as good here as they did when first broadcast. A major gripe with earlier sets was the replacement by CBS-Paramount of much of Pete Rugolo's dynamic original music in order to avoid potential legal problems. Here, however, Rugolo's classic score is intact, along with the occasional recognizable musical cues from shows such as "The Twilight Zone." Episodes are listed with summaries and original airdates inside the keepcase. There are no bonus features, but the shows themselves amount to a total running time of almost 13 hours.

Full blog at:
HK AND CULT FILM NEWS: THE FUGITIVE: SEASON TWO, VOLUME TWO -- DVD review by porfle

Harry
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post #124 of 444
3/25/09 at 10:01am

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Not that I was overly worried, but what a relief just the same. I hope my replacement discs arrive next week as I want to see S2 episodes in order.

As I'm caught up with my viewing and nearly finished with a second run of "The Time Tunnel", this is a great time to get into the further exploits of a one Dr. Richard Kimble.
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post #125 of 444
3/25/09 at 10:11am

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Originally Posted by michael_ks
Not that I was overly worried, but what a relief just the same. I hope my replacement discs arrive next week as I want to see S2 episodes in order.

As I'm caught up with my viewing and nearly finished with a second run of "The Time Tunnel", this is a great time to get into the further exploits of a one Dr. Richard Kimble.

Sounds like good news. I'll still have to wait for the Fugitive experts here to chime in with their "cue" reviews. I think, worst case, S2V2 will be as the restored S2V1 set. I'm curious if S2V2 will be like the S1 sets.

Mike, that's great taste (Time Tunnel) I haven't watched TT for a 2nd round yet except for watching that "moon rocket" episode which is among my favorite TT episodes.
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post #126 of 444
3/25/09 at 10:13am

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Originally Posted by Harry-N
Less than a week now to release day. I see a blog where someone's reviewed the new set, claiming original music intact:

The relevant paragraph:


Full blog at:
HK AND CULT FILM NEWS: THE FUGITIVE: SEASON TWO, VOLUME TWO -- DVD review by porfle

Harry

Harry, thanks for the quote. I read that in the review found at DVD Verdict. Good to see that reviewers are addressing this in their reviews. Makes me a little more confident in completing season 2. Now they just need to get to the other half.

Doug
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post #127 of 444
3/25/09 at 10:39am

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Glad to hear some confirmation on the topic.
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post #128 of 444
3/25/09 at 11:15am

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I would be nice if we could find out if Mark Heyes et all has been removed from the end credits for S2V2.

Dave
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post #129 of 444
3/25/09 at 11:46am

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It would be nice if we could find out if Mark Heyes et all has been removed from the end credits for S2V2.

Though not a deal breaker for me where purchase of the set is concerned, it would be ever so nice if that were the case.
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post #130 of 444
3/25/09 at 11:57am

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I expect that season 2, volume 2 will be released along the lines of the reissued season 2, volume 1, i.e., there's likely to be a little of the Heyes/Komie/Winans score remaining for those cues for which CBS Paramount couldn't clear rights. If that's the case, expect to see them in the credits but, perhaps (if we're lucky), only for those episodes in which their compositions appear. I've been happy with the replacement discs so far, though I've only managed to watch the first four episodes.
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post #131 of 444
3/26/09 at 7:31pm

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Stopped by the place I buy most of my dvd/blu ray titles from and found The Fugitive for sale. Just in time for the weekend! Hope those of you waiting for your order will see it soon! It's been tool long since the last release, I hope Paramount speeds things up a bit.
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post #132 of 444
3/26/09 at 7:44pm

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Originally Posted by Brent Avery
It's been tool long since the last release, I hope Paramount speeds things up a bit.
Wasn't the gap between S1V2 and S2V1 only about four months or so? I think the hub bub over the music replacement (and its probably devestating effect on sales) and fixing some of that is what caused the longer delay between S2V1 and S2V2.
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post #133 of 444
3/26/09 at 8:15pm

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Originally Posted by Brent Avery
Stopped by the place I buy most of my dvd/blu ray titles from and found The Fugitive for sale.

Street date here in the US is Tuesday, March 31.
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post #134 of 444
3/27/09 at 8:36am

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I checked out the credits on all episodes on disc 1 and it says Music by Peter
Rugolo. No mention of Mark Heyes on disc 1 at all. It looks like they were the
credits that were originally broadcast. Heyes music may still be somewhere
on the episodes though. I haven't had time to look at any more as i have to get back to work.

Update:Mr. Heyes is not listed in the credits in any of the episodes on this set. All episodes say Music by Peter Rugolo.
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post #135 of 444
3/28/09 at 8:14am

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Originally Posted by EdG
I checked out the credits on all episodes on disc 1 and it says Music by Peter
Rugolo. No mention of Mark Heyes on disc 1 at all. It looks like they were the
credits that were originally broadcast. Heyes music may still be somewhere
on the episodes though. I haven't had time to look at any more as i have to get back to work.

Update:Mr. Heyes is not listed in the credits in any of the episodes on this set. All episodes say Music by Peter Rugolo.

Thanks for the info. I went ahead and pre-ordered based on early reviews.

Doug
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post #136 of 444
3/29/09 at 1:50am

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Originally Posted by EdG
I checked out the credits on all episodes on disc 1 and it says Music by Peter
Rugolo. No mention of Mark Heyes on disc 1 at all. It looks like they were the
credits that were originally broadcast. Heyes music may still be somewhere
on the episodes though. I haven't had time to look at any more as i have to get back to work.

Update:Mr. Heyes is not listed in the credits in any of the episodes on this set. All episodes say Music by Peter Rugolo.

Are you talking about Season 2 Volume 2? If so, how did you manage to get your set early? Ver cool if you did!
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post #137 of 444
3/29/09 at 6:07am

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Folks,

As soon as anyone knows if the Heyes music is present in S2V2, please let us know.

Thanks,

Dave
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post #138 of 444
3/29/09 at 6:24am
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It will likely take some time before any of the music "experts" get their copes, sit down and watch episodes, to determine if there's any altered music left.

With the first half - the all-Heyes set - it was an easy determination from the first minute that Carab watched "Man In A Chariot" and posted here (though we gave him a bit of a hard time for being a newbie!).

This time, we'll be hearing mostly the original music, from what I understand, and there will only be a few examples of replaced music. Who will notice first? Probably not me. I know my Rugolo, am passable on some Twilight Zone and Outer Limits cues, but am no expert on any of the Capitol stuff that caused the problems.

Harry
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post #139 of 444
3/29/09 at 6:45am

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Originally Posted by Harry-N
This time, we'll be hearing mostly the original music, from what I understand, and there will only be a few examples of replaced music. Who will notice first? Probably not me. I know my Rugolo, am passable on some Twilight Zone and Outer Limits cues, but am no expert on any of the Capitol stuff that caused the problems.

This is not meant as a slam to any Fuge "expert" that posts here. I know there are several folks that are more knowledgeable than I am with the music and I defer to them. But having said that, I think you raise an important point, Harry. To the best of my knowledge none of us are experts on the Capitol Music cues. They were scant to begin with, and the couple of times I've asked about a cue I thought might be a Capitol one no one has been able to answer. I just think those few cues are really tough ones for all of us. About the only way we are going to know for sure is to do the tedious work of side-by-side comparisons with each and every note played. And that's a heck of a lot of work. Some of the Heyes is kinda obvious, but some of it was very subtle and it took more than one ear for us to make absolute sure of certain cues. I know I'm not going to be the one to sit down and do side-by-sides for every single note on every single episode. It's just too tedious a task for me. Perhaps someone will. But I do believe those few Capitol cues that were used in the original score are tough to decipher.

Gary "I'm approaching this volume the same way I did S2, V1 - I'm just going to watch the episode and try to get a 'feel' for it and see if anything jumps out as being really bad, or obviously Heyes" O.
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post #140 of 444
3/29/09 at 6:52am

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It seems to me as though this earlier post by Ed bodes very well for there being no Heyes at all in S2V2:

"Mr. Heyes is not listed in the credits in any of the episodes
on this set. All episodes say Music by Peter Rugolo." -- Ed G.

It stands to reason if Heyes isn't listed at all on the credits, then we're not likely to hear any of Heyes' music in the S2V2 set.
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post #141 of 444
3/29/09 at 7:26am

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According to this review posted at "DVD Verdict" there is a smidgen of Heyes still in the set:

The Fugitive S2 V2 Review

Here is the pertinent quote from the Review:

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The sound is a different story. Much was made of the awkwardly replaced soundtrack in Season Two, Volume One. Paramount, in an admirable showing of customer support, offered customers replacement discs with more of the original music restored. Volume Two doesn't have a 100 percent authentic score, but it seems to have more of the original music than that last release. The show's excellent theme song, along with the theme's variations played throughout each episode, are intact. There are still more than a few obvious instances of that clean, crisp, computer-generated music, and they stand out like a sore thumb. It's doubtful CBS will offer replacement discs this time, since it seems like they at least tried to license more of the original music than before, but purists will yet again be disappointed.
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post #142 of 444
3/29/09 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by David Von Pein
It seems to me as though this earlier post by Ed bodes very well for there being no Heyes at all in S2V2:

"Mr. Heyes is not listed in the credits in any of the episodes
on this set. All episodes say Music by Peter Rugolo." -- Ed G.

It stands to reason if Heyes isn't listed at all on the credits, then we're not likely to hear any of Heyes' music in the S2V2 set.

I'm not sure I buy that philosophy at all, David. Heyes name (along with the others, Komie and Winans) were inserted into the end credits since ONLY their scores were heard in the S2V1 initial release. Rather than have a credit that read "MUSIC...PETER RUGOLO", CBS/P opted to re-do those end credit screens with the names of the new people comissioned to come up with the replacement music.

Once they hit the brick wall of fans who decried the practice, the company relented, getting rid of the new score in favor of largely the old one, but in the re-done DVDs, it was easier and cheaper to leave the updated credits alone, not tampering at all with any of the video.

All the while, with S2V2 on the horizon, the company likely opted not to alter the end credits and to only substitute the music when they absolutely HAD to in order to not risk law suits and to placate we the fans.

So, bottom line is, I look to see much the same as the first half - a little bit of Heyes thrown in (but incredited this time) when they have to, but without the altering of the end credits.

Harry
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post #143 of 444
3/29/09 at 9:44am

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Originally Posted by Brent Avery
Stopped by the place I buy most of my dvd/blu ray titles from and found The Fugitive for sale. Just in time for the weekend! Hope those of you waiting for your order will see it soon! It's been tool long since the last release, I hope Paramount speeds things up a bit.

Where in Vancouver did you find it early? I must be looking in the wrong stores! Oh well, I can wait for Tuesday!

Looking forward to this set--I'm burning through S2 V1!
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post #144 of 444
3/29/09 at 9:45am

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As long as the music is predominately Rugolo--regardless of whatever is dropped in for whatever reasons--fine by me. I just want these on DVD with as much of the original content as possible!!!!!!!

I have yet to receive my S2, V1 replacement set from CBS/P and I sent my form in three weeks ago. I suppose, at this rate, I'll receive my V2 set before I receive my V1 replacement set--whether I buy it live or order it from Amazon--one of which will be done Tuesday!!!!!!!!
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post #145 of 444
3/29/09 at 10:03am

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Originally Posted by EdG
Update:Mr. Heyes is not listed in the credits in any of the episodes on this set. All episodes say Music by Peter Rugolo.
It is indeed odd that the credits would be restored to their original version if even a little Heyes music remained. Could it be that the music names have been removed to merely placate the purists?

It's a good thing that Fugitive music is all we have to worry about these days!


BTW, be on the lookout for trolls posting something goofy about S2V2 on April 1...like they did a couple of years ago saying Disney was finally releasing Song Of The South.
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post #146 of 444
3/29/09 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by TheGreatOz
It is indeed odd that the credits would be restored to their original version if even a little Heyes music remained. Could it be that the music names have been removed to merely placate the purists?

You guys aren't looking at this logically.

CBS/P had to spend money to RE-DO the end credits, rather than just remaster the original ones in S2V1.

Rather than go to the expense of additionally remastering the S2V1 end credits for the "fixed" set, they just left them with Heyes name.

For S2V2, the proverbial s**t had already hit the fan, so with their new game plan of providing mostly Rugolo, and with the firestorm caused by last year's release, they opted to do a straight remaster of the original end credits for the new set. It's probably cheaper to remaster the original than to create new ones.

Harry
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post #147 of 444
3/29/09 at 4:32pm

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Originally Posted by Harry-N
For S2V2...they opted to do a straight remaster of the original end credits for the new set. It's probably cheaper to remaster the original than to create new ones.
There's no gripe from me. Old credits, new credits are insignificant, especially in light of all the work CBS/P did to restore the original music. The original credits are preferred by most purists, I'm sure. I think these early screeners were just commenting on using the credits to determine if ALL the Heyes music had vanished from S2V2.

As I said before, if all we had to worry about these days was Fugitive music we'd be lucky. It'll be nice to have S2V2 to 'escape' for a while.
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post #148 of 444
3/29/09 at 5:35pm

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I watched Fun Games and Party Favors last night and it sounded like there was a Heyes cue at around 28:00 minutes when David Janssen is talking to Mark Goddard in the garage. Like Gary O. said earlier it sounded like Heyes. Today I found the same episode on youtube that someone recorded from a tv broadcast and that music was not in the scene on the youtube version. It lasts about 1m 20 secs. Also the background music played during the party and the background music during the pizza parlor scene (with Anthony Call) were different than the episode posted on youtube much like when they changed the music that Kimble listened to on the radio in one of the S1 sets. So even though Rugolo is now the only composer listed in the credits Mark Heyes et al is still present.
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post #149 of 444
3/29/09 at 6:45pm

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Well that kinda sucks if they are adding Heyes music where there was no music previously. I thought the whole point was to avoid music rights issues. If there was no music originally, why cant they just leave it that way?

I will probably buy the whole series, but this is irritating.

Dave
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post #150 of 444
3/29/09 at 9:05pm

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Just a reminder...
March 31 is also the street date for the box set of Seasons 1 and 2 of The Fugitive.

I wonder if it comes with the order form enclosed for the S2V1 replacement discs.
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