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post #31 of 45
1/1/09 at 5:50pm

Re: I SAID be QUIET in the theater!

so the shooter was not the man who told the guy to be quiet.
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post #32 of 45
1/2/09 at 2:21pm

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Originally Posted by Tom Kirk
David Fincher (who?)
Really?!? You know of Spike Jonze but have never heard of David Fincher?
I think the whole post was meant to be facetious, including the Fincher part.
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post #33 of 45
1/2/09 at 4:22pm

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Really?!? You know of Spike Jonze but have never heard of David Fincher?

I'm pretty sure Tom was being sarcastic.

He even included a " " as a hint.
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post #34 of 45
1/2/09 at 9:49pm

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The shooter did what many people would do if not for fear of consequences.

Haven't we all encountered A-holes from time to time who disrespect people around him/her? That's why I hate going to the movies, because when I do, I put myself at the mercy of people like that. The only reason I still go is because my GF likes going. We went on Christmas night, and I literally feared for our safety. In all honesty, I'd feel safer being armed.

I'll veer off on a slight tangent -- "We can't laugh?" Lomax recalled asking.

That quote got to me. As I read between the lines, this story reeks of poor parenting ... even though the man involved was not the dad, just someone banging the mom. Anyway, it sounds like the kids were being loud and obnoxious (imaging that from teenagers), but instead of apologizing for their behavior, the "guardian" became defensive. And I imagine the tone of the "We can't laugh?" question was not a sincere question, but a message to F off.

That response sends the totally wrong message. I see that way too much from my personal experience. No matter how rotten kids are, no matter how badly they screw up, the parents support them and defend them, which in the long run benefits no one.

But hey, I stopped expecting people to act rationally and responsibly long ago. And whaddaya know? I was right.
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post #35 of 45
1/3/09 at 11:08am

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Originally Posted by Robert_Z
The shooter did what many people would do if not for fear of consequences.
Sad but true. Common sense and a sense of right or wrong might fail but at least the fear of prison stops people from shooting those who make them angry.

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Haven't we all encountered A-holes from time to time who disrespect people around him/her?
Yes and I hate when people talk during a movie or cut me off on the road or don't have their credit card out until they're told the total for purchases but none of them have deserved to get shot over any of it.

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I'll veer off on a slight tangent -- "We can't laugh?" Lomax recalled asking.

That quote got to me. As I read between the lines, this story reeks of poor parenting ... even though the man involved was not the dad, just someone banging the mom. Anyway, it sounds like the kids were being loud and obnoxious (imaging that from teenagers), but instead of apologizing for their behavior, the "guardian" became defensive. And I imagine the tone of the "We can't laugh?" question was not a sincere question, but a message to F off.
Even if your assumptions are all 100% correct, so what?
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post #36 of 45
1/3/09 at 1:39pm

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Originally Posted by Henry Gale
I'm pretty sure Tom was being sarcastic.

He even included a " " as a hint.
Well in my native tongue, the emoticon means, "I'm being totally serious!" so I hardly think it's my faux pas.
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post #37 of 45
1/3/09 at 6:23pm

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Originally Posted by TravisR
Yes and I hate when people talk during a movie or cut me off on the road or don't have their credit card out until they're told the total for purchases but none of them have deserved to get shot over any of it.


True but what should the punishment be? Perhaps it's just the theaters I've been to but very few times are people kicked out for talking. I can't tell you how many times I've seen annoying teens in there cussing, pushing each other around and causing people trouble yet the theater lets them go. I'm sure they want their quarters in the game machines but if the company doesn't do anything then what can another theater goer do? Does one call the cops?
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post #38 of 45
1/5/09 at 10:19am

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Originally Posted by TravisR
Sad but true. Common sense and a sense of right or wrong might fail but at least the fear of prison stops people from shooting those who make them angry.

Yes and I hate when people talk during a movie or cut me off on the road or don't have their credit card out until they're told the total for purchases but none of them have deserved to get shot over any of it.

Even if your assumptions are all 100% correct, so what?

Yeah, so what! We don't need people trying to offer an opinion on a message board.
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post #39 of 45
1/5/09 at 11:11am

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Originally Posted by Robert_Z
Haven't we all encountered A-holes from time to time who disrespect people around him/her? That's why I hate going to the movies, because when I do, I put myself at the mercy of people like that. The only reason I still go is because my GF likes going. We went on Christmas night, and I literally feared for our safety.
Think of each theater trip as an adventure.

Seriously, if you fear for your safety at a movie theater, may I suggest going to another one in a better part of town if at all possible?

--
H
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post #40 of 45
1/5/09 at 12:06pm

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Yeah, so what! We don't need people trying to offer an opinion on a message board.
Where did I say that?
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post #41 of 45
1/5/09 at 5:02pm

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Originally Posted by Matt^Brown
Yeah, so what! We don't need people trying to offer an opinion on a message board.

I think that when he said so what, he meant so what if American parents are failing miserably in their responsibility to raise their children to be responsible citizens. Instead, they are contributing to the decay of Western civilization by failing to properly discipline their kids, by defending them even when they are dead wrong, and for the most part, by failing to instill any positive values whatsoever in their kids.

What business is it of mine that parents are churning out dysfunctional youth in record numbers? It's not like I have to live in the same city, state and country as they do, so it really is none of my concern.

But to avoid hijacking this thread any more than I already have, I won't comment on the topic any further.
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post #42 of 45
1/5/09 at 5:16pm

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Originally Posted by Robert_Z
I think that when he said so what, he meant so what if American parents are failing miserably in their responsibility to raise their children to be responsible citizens. Instead, they are contributing to the decay of Western civilization by failing to properly discipline their kids, by defending them even when they are dead wrong, and for the most part, by failing to instill any positive values whatsoever in their kids.
Travis can speak for himself, but it was obvious to me, as a reader of this thread, that he did not mean that at all. I took his question to indicate that no issues of poor parenting (even if applicable here) justified someone pulling a gun and shooting another person for making noise in a movie theater.

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What business is it of mine that parents are churning out dysfunctional youth in record numbers? It's not like I have to live in the same city, state and country as they do, so it really is none of my concern.
Are you referring now to the people who were talking at the movies or to the shooter? Because, as irritating as the former may be, I'd rather put up with them than risk setting off the temper of the latter because maybe I laughed at a volume he deemed too loud.

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But to avoid hijacking this thread any more than I already have, I won't comment on the topic any further.
Please! Don't go without at least responding to Holadem's post.
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post #43 of 45
1/5/09 at 6:05pm

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Originally Posted by Michael Reuben
Travis can speak for himself, but it was obvious to me, as a reader of this thread, that he did not mean that at all. I took his question to indicate that no issues of poor parenting (even if applicable here) justified someone pulling a gun and shooting another person for making noise in a movie theater.


Are you referring now to the people who were talking at the movies or to the shooter? Because, as irritating as the former may be, I'd rather put up with them than risk setting off the temper of the latter because maybe I laughed at a volume he deemed too loud.


Please! Don't go without at least responding to Holadem's post.

I agree it does not justify a shooting, but it makes a shooting more likely. I find it hard to believe that during a funny part of the movie, someone would complain that someone else was laughing. It was probably teens bothering people around them by being too rowdy, but since the parents did nothing about it, someone else had to complain, and then the "parent" reacted with a condescending tone, which quickly took things downhill. I have no idea if that's how it went, but that sounds like the most likely series of events.

Yeah, about Holadem's post, I went to that theater because of lack of options. I was out of town and it was the only theater in that town. No plans to return any time soon.
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post #44 of 45
1/5/09 at 7:14pm

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Originally Posted by Michael Reuben
Travis can speak for himself, but it was obvious to me, as a reader of this thread, that he did not mean that at all. I took his question to indicate that no issues of poor parenting (even if applicable here) justified someone pulling a gun and shooting another person for making noise in a movie theater.
You got it.

EDIT: Robert, I have similar concerns about poor parenting but I don't see it having any bearing on this situation.
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post #45 of 45
1/5/09 at 9:12pm

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Originally Posted by Robert_Z
It was probably teens bothering people around them by being too rowdy, but since the parents did nothing about it, someone else had to complain, and then the "parent" reacted with a condescending tone, which quickly took things downhill. I have no idea if that's how it went, but that sounds like the most likely series of events.
The bolded portion is the wisest thing you've said. None of us knows how it went. All we have is two news reports, which vary significantly on crucial points. To me, at least, it makes more sense to withhold judgment than to use this incident, the basic facts of which are still unclear, as a jumping-off point for deploying one's theories of what ails society.

I mean, I could read those same reports through a different lens and come up with an entirely different rant: The shooter had just returned from Iraq. He obviously felt unsafe unless armed, and before firing he was observed throwing popcorn at the family even though he was not the one who asked them to be quiet. Clearly this man is suffering from some form of PTSD, and this is yet one more illustration of how seriously underfunded and overwhelmed our veterans' services are, which is a scandal that should have been addressed long ago. (Etc. etc.)

To which someone like Travis might come along and say, "So what?" And he'd be right.
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